How to divide Amazing Fantasy 15 wrap into individual pages 2 2

[WOLVERINE335]

I recently got a wrap of Amazing Fantasy 15, and I want to divide it into individual pages for CGC grading.  I don't want to grade the wrap as is, because I'd rather both sides show the Spider-Man story, instead of one side being Spider-Man and the other side being a completely unrelated story from deeper in the book.

What I'm worried about is, I don't want a green label, or any notation about it being "trimmed."  I've seen many pages graded with no such issue; but I've also seen a few that DO have that issue.

If you could please advise me, how can I safely divide the wrap into two separate pages, avoiding any green label or "trimmed" terminology, it would be greatly appreciated.

Am I allowed to use scissors, or a knife?  Do I need to tear it by hand?

Thank you for your input.

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Oh yeah... one more thing.  Can I specify which side of the page I want to be the forward facing page (even if it would otherwise be considered the backside of the page)?  As in, if the page were numbered 5 on one side and 6 on the other for example, could I have the side numbered 6 forward facing, with the side numbered 5 on the backside of the CGC holder?

[Sauce Dog]

I've never had a page I've cut from a wrap come back as trimmed or qualified - maybe it's a possible risk, but for me personally it has never been an issue. I've cut my pages with a knife, so it was clean, but scissors will suffice.

And yes, you can request how the page is facing. Be sure to include a sticky note attached to the bag/board of the page that specifies how you want it (not guaranteed they will do it though)

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[WOLVERINE335]

Thanks Sauce Dog.  Good to hear.  (...And sweet Stan Lee page you've got!)

[DougC]

On 2/26/2024 at 11:23 PM, WOLVERINE335 said:

If you could please advise me, how can I safely divide the wrap into two separate pages, avoiding any green label or "trimmed" terminology, it would be greatly appreciated.

Am I allowed to use scissors, or a knife?  Do I need to tear it by hand?

Please contact CGC before doing anything! a post in the Ask CGC forum could help (and give you something to print out and attach to the submission).

I tried something like this back in 2019 when I wanted to get a wrap remarqued and signed and was informed it would receive a purple/yellow label due to using scissors to separate the wrap instead of tearing it.

[WOLVERINE335]

Ouch DougC.  Yes, that's exactly the nightmare scenario I'm trying to avoid!  I have indeed posted the same question in the "Ask CGC" section, but it's still "pending approval."  We'll see what they say.  And I like your idea of printing it out and sending it in, that way, so long as I follow their advise, then I feel like I've got a good argument against anyone there trying to hit me with the purple label.  Thanks for the input.

[topcat54]

On 2/29/2024 at 12:12 AM, WOLVERINE335 said:

Ouch DougC.  Yes, that's exactly the nightmare scenario I'm trying to avoid!  I have indeed posted the same question in the "Ask CGC" section, but it's still "pending approval."  We'll see what they say.  And I like your idea of printing it out and sending it in, that way, so long as I follow their advise, then I feel like I've got a good argument against anyone there trying to hit me with the purple label.  Thanks for the input.

make sure to keep copies of what you send them take plenty of pictures or scans of the page/pages also

[PovertyRow]

Just an interesting tidbit. You are not talking about a page but a "leaf. A leaf consists of two pages, front and back of what we tend to think as a single page. You cannot isolate a single page from a leaf. It would be akin to that Outer Limits episode BEHOLD ECK!. 

[WOLVERINE335]

Yes, PovertyRow, I suppose I'm referring to a leaf as per your definition.  But CGC refers to it as a "page" although of course it is really 2 pages (one on the front side and one on the back side).  And this is different than a "wrap" which is 2 pages (really 4 pages) connected together.

My goal is to separate the wrap into 2 parts; whereby CGC will label each part a "page" and I want to do so without any purple or green labels.

 

As CGC does it, they would encase pages 1 and 2 (front and back side of the same 'leaf') and call it "page 1".  Then they would take the leaf containing pages 3 and 4 and call it "page 2" etc. etc.  So excluding Advertisement pages which could throw it off, if you see a CGC case for "page 5 only" you would find pages 9 and 10 of the comic there.

[zzutak]

On 3/14/2024 at 6:36 AM, WOLVERINE335 said:

As CGC does it, they would encase pages 1 and 2 (front and back side of the same 'leaf') and call it "page 1".  Then they would take the leaf containing pages 3 and 4 and call it "page 2" etc. etc.

Can't and won't happen, as no comic ever made has had interior pages 1-2-3-4 on a single wrap.    An AF #15 interior wrap always contains interior pages N, N+1, 32-N, and 33-N (valid for N = 1 thru 15). 

On 3/14/2024 at 6:36 AM, WOLVERINE335 said:

So excluding Advertisement pages which could throw it off ......

Wrong again.  Neither publishers nor CGC make exceptions for page content (story, activity, ad, letters, pin-up, etc) when counting wraps, leaves, or interior pages.  CGC always defines the last interior leaf in a 12-cent Silver Age Marvel as Page 16 ( ), regardless of the number of non-story pages that precede it. 

Edited March 14 by zzutak

[WOLVERINE335]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:20 AM, zzutak said:

Can't and won't happen, as no comic ever made has had interior pages 1-2-3-4 on a single wrap.    An AF #15 interior wrap always contains interior pages N, N+1, 32-N, and 33-N (valid for N = 1 thru 15). 

Wrong again.  Neither publishers nor CGC make exceptions for page content (story, activity, ad, letters, pin-up, etc) when counting wraps, leaves, or interior pages.  CGC always defines the last interior leaf in a 12-cent Silver Age Marvel as Page 16 ( ), regardless of the number of non-story pages that precede it. 

In your rush to dismiss and discredit what I wrote... you failed to understand what I wrote!  You're not wrong about the facts.  But you're wrong that anything I said is contrary to those facts.

I believe you misinterpreted my example explanation to the previous poster as me saying that my wrap would ultimately become labeled "page 1" and "page 2" by CGC.  That's not what I was saying though.  I was just explaining that "page 1" would contain pages 1 and 2 (of the story); "page 2" would contain pages 3 and 4 (of the story); "page 3" would contain pages 5 and 6 (of the story)... etc.  Except that an advertisement could throw off those numbers (as it relates to the numbered story pages).

Perhaps I could have been more clear.  But certainly... you could have taken a moment to try and see what I was getting at before busting out the finger shaking and head exploding emoticons!

Edited March 17 by WOLVERINE335

[sledgehammer]

On 3/14/2024 at 8:36 AM, WOLVERINE335 said:

Yes, PovertyRow, I suppose I'm referring to a leaf as per your definition.  But CGC refers to it as a "page" although of course it is really 2 pages (one on the front side and one on the back side).  And this is different than a "wrap" which is 2 pages (really 4 pages) connected together.

Exactly. Take ASM 3 as an example.

The pin up is often missing, and this is designated on the label as missing page 12, of the 16 "pages" in the book.

If the entire wrap is missing, "pages"  5 and 12, it would note 5th wrap. Pages 8 and 9 are the center wrap.

CGC never uses the word 'leaf".