BFA1971 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) Just wondering what your 2 Cents or Pence from where I am...is on this one... In theory would a Golden Age comic be cleaned and pressed and go from 8.0-8.5? I don't see much difference if that's what its had. I guess it does look whiter! . Edited March 19 by BFA1971 Mmehdy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hand ® Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Cover dry cleaned? Mmehdy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I thought "whiteness" went to the newsprint pages not the FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFA1971 Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Yes apologies I meant dry cleaned...which has made it whiter! However would this bump it up a half grade if all else stayed the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThothAmon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Beyond my pay grade as to the bump but, generally, the whiter the paper the better. BFA1971 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 The latest technique is using blue light to lighten comic book covers, especially the white parts of the covers. (I have no idea whether that was done to this comic.) CGC isn't treating it as restoration, probably because they don't have a way to detect it. Here's one video on it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastEnd1 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/20/2024 at 11:14 AM, jimbo_7071 said: The latest technique is using blue light to lighten comic book covers, especially the white parts of the covers. (I have no idea whether that was done to this comic.) CGC isn't treating it as restoration, probably because they don't have a way to detect it. Here's one video on it: I thought CGC was treating this technique with PLODs. There were a number of vidoes that were posted about it maybe summer of last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badback83 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I don’t know the process in which it was used, but I was not thrilled when I found out that most or all of the Bobby Blue books had been “whitened”. BFA1971 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/20/2024 at 1:27 PM, EastEnd1 said: I thought CGC was treating this technique with PLODs. There were a number of vidoes that were posted about it maybe summer of last year? No, that treatment will not result in a PLOD. I don't even think CGC can detect it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 CGC is absolutely treating this as restoration with a PLOD. It's not always detected, but when it is it gets a purple label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/20/2024 at 9:24 PM, buttock said: CGC is absolutely treating this as restoration with a PLOD. It's not always detected, but when it is it gets a purple label. Using blue light with peroxide may be considered restoration in theory, but as I understand it, it's only detectable if someone messes up and blisters the paper—so there are presumably many, many blue-label books out there that have had this treatment. Blue light is also being used without peroxide, i.e., blue light only. I don't believe that that is detectable at all. If it's used on non-white areas, it will cause fading, but CGC can't detect fading, anyway (unless it's severe). I don't think that CGC has ever claimed to be able to detect light-only whitening. Mmehdy and BFA1971 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFA1971 Posted March 21 Author Share Posted March 21 On 3/20/2024 at 3:14 PM, jimbo_7071 said: The latest technique is using blue light to lighten comic book covers, especially the white parts of the covers. (I have no idea whether that was done to this comic.) CGC isn't treating it as restoration, probably because they don't have a way to detect it. Here's one video on it: Thank you so much for sharing jimbo_7071 jimbo_7071 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buttock Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/20/2024 at 8:36 PM, jimbo_7071 said: Using blue light with peroxide may be considered restoration in theory, but as I understand it, it's only detectable if someone messes up and blisters the paper—so there are presumably many, many blue-label books out there that have had this treatment. Blue light is also being used without peroxide, i.e., blue light only. I don't believe that that is detectable at all. If it's used on non-white areas, it will cause fading, but CGC can't detect fading, anyway (unless it's severe). I don't think that CGC has ever claimed to be able to detect light-only whitening. I've spoken with people at CGC directly about this, and there are videos all over the internet about people getting PLOD with this technique. If you take it too far it's obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastEnd1 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/21/2024 at 11:07 AM, buttock said: I've spoken with people at CGC directly about this, and there are videos all over the internet about people getting PLOD with this technique. If you take it too far it's obvious. This is my recollection too... numerous videos of people being "shocked" that they'd gotten PLODs for simply "cleaning" the book with these techniques. This is the thread I was thinking of covering this topic... https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/520982-problems-with-cgc-grading-a-cleaned-and-pressed-book-with-a-purple-label-my-thoughts/#comments buttock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/21/2024 at 11:27 AM, EastEnd1 said: This is my recollection too... numerous videos of people being "shocked" that they'd gotten PLODs for simply "cleaning" the book with these techniques. This is the thread I was thinking of covering this topic... https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/520982-problems-with-cgc-grading-a-cleaned-and-pressed-book-with-a-purple-label-my-thoughts/#comments It's good to know that they're catching it some of the time—although I suspect that it's often missed. Have you heard anything to suggest that CGC can detect light-only lightening? I don't know of any way that they could do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastEnd1 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/21/2024 at 4:30 PM, jimbo_7071 said: It's good to know that they're catching it some of the time—although I suspect that it's often missed. Have you heard anything to suggest that CGC can detect light-only lightening? I don't know of any way that they could do that. Can't say I've heard much about light-only brightening... though that strikes me as a far less intrusive (ie, egregious) approach. I'd imagine it's much less successful as well. jimbo_7071 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
