Ed Piskor Has Passed 5 5

[BrashL]

On 4/2/2024 at 12:59 PM, wombat said:

You can't stop people from sharing their experiences. And you certainly can't dictate how they are supposed to feel about their experiences. 

No you can't, but you also shouldn't excuse them from the consequences of doing so. 

[BrashL]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:05 AM, wombat said:

I'm sure this will sound heartless, but this is on him. No one made him commit suicide. That was his choice. Why? Because he didn't want to have to defend himself? It was going to be too much work? So he took the quick and easy way out of the situation knowing all the grief it would cause his loved ones. 

I'll be sure to let the friends and mother of that Trans girl in Oklahoma that killed herself after being mercilessly bullied  and raped by her father for years know that it was on her. I'll be sure to tell them how she took the easy way out.

Jesus the view must be great on that high horse of yours. 

[BrashL]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:20 AM, sfcityduck said:

Agree our legal system is probably the best in the world. But that doesn't mean its close to perfect. We are constantly striving to improve it.

The problem with rape victims is less the courts than it is the police and prosecutors. Historically, they took the position that it wasn't worth prosecuting a rape case on behalf of a sexually active woman. The notion was something along the lines of is the victim had sex with guy A, B, and C, then she couldn't win a rape case against guy D. Those attitudes have been hard to quash. There have been legal reforms. It does not help that society, including as we even see on posts by some here, want to blame the victim for the sexual misconduct (she shouldn't have dressed so sexy or flirted etc. or here it is "she should have filtered him out" which truly misses the point). 

I agree innocent men get sent to jail. That's most prevalently the case where the issue is identification of the rapist. And that problem usually centers on interracial identification by eye witnesses. Usually when white witnesses identify a black man when they have trouble telling black men apart. The classic example is the race to convict the Central Park Five who were exonerated after the real perp confessed (and DNA evidence confirmed) a decade after the crime. Our system carries that risk. But that risk is not a justification for not prosecuting a crime at all.

I was a criminal prosecutor for many years and i never once encountered anything like this. Where in your legal experience did you see this happen or are you just smearing two professions based on something you saw on Law and Order SVU?

[wombat]

On 4/2/2024 at 2:05 PM, BrashL said:

I'll be sure to let the friends and mother of that Trans girl in Oklahoma that killed herself after being mercilessly bullied  and raped by her father for years know that it was on her. I'll be sure to tell them how she took the easy way out.

Jesus the view must be great on that high horse of yours. 

I didn't realize you are unhinged. Carry on. 

[Sauce Dog]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:54 PM, Axe Elf said:

If he had asked her to buy a bunny suit and sit on his face she might be a victim of sexual assault, but from what I can see, her "victimization" consisted of being called a "naughty girl" after describing a petty crime, and being offered a place to crash (in a separate bedroom, with it's own drawing table) if she was ever in town.  If she was located in a state with stricter age of consent laws, it might be considered grooming--but they both lived in PA, so it's not that, either.

I don't know the artist and I certainly don't vouch for his character, but from the information available, it seems to me that the least repugnant behavior of anyone involved was the artist's.

That would not have been sexual assault, that has a very clear definition, but I see this sort of thing all the time; People hand wave away a victims experience as being 'not that bad' in comparison to other heinous possibilities (we don't have full context, and might never have it, all we know is it was enough for her personally to come forward). People were not distancing from him because he sexual assaulted someone, but rather that his behaviour was giving off grooming vibes. Also, regardless of if what he was doing was TECHNICALLY legal in his state, that was still an older man acting inappropriately with a kid (let's not pretend being 17 old is adult territory).

You also are glossing over the other sexual misconduct issues he had; including another woman that said he asked for a in exchange for his agent’s phone number (which to me is a big issue, and mirrors what Warren Ellis was doing years ago. This sort of 'joke' offer is all too common)
 

Edited April 2 by Sauce Dog

[BrashL]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:10 PM, wombat said:

I didn't realize you are unhinged. Carry on. 

Cool deflection.

[BrashL]

The thing that kills me the most is this is a comic book collector forum populated by a bunch of middle age nerds. If anyone here thinks they haven't given off creepy vibes to a woman they were trying to flirt with....lol...carry on I guess

[Axe Elf]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:10 PM, Sauce Dog said:

That would not have been sexual assault, that has a very clear definition

And the definition varies by jurisdiction, but the point being that from the information available, he didn't say or do anything sexual at all.  Yet he was shamed like a sexual predator or something.

On 4/2/2024 at 1:10 PM, Sauce Dog said:

You also are glossing over the other sexual misconduct issues he had; including another woman that said he asked for a in exchange for his agent’s phone number

"Issue," anyway, but with that other gal, who knows...  It could have been like, "Give me your agent's number!"  "Blow me!" or something.  It could have been more like asking for a date between two adults.  We don't have much information on that situation, and it doesn't seem to be that situation that caused the Great Consternation in the first place, so you'll excuse me if I don't enter it into evidence at this time.

[Sauce Dog]

On 4/2/2024 at 2:05 PM, BrashL said:

I'll be sure to let the friends and mother of that Trans girl in Oklahoma that killed herself after being mercilessly bullied  and raped by her father for years know that it was on her. I'll be sure to tell them how she took the easy way out.

Jesus the view must be great on that high horse of yours. 

Not all situations are created equal, we don't have to have an opinion on a matter that covers ALL instances of that topic. We are talking about Piskor here, that is the context, so don't going tossing in some random whataboutism regarding another person. Nobody is saying suicide is a good thing, or a good outcome.

A 16 year old that has been assaulted and harassed for years, for something out of their control, and who has not close to even maturing mentally is not equal to a well-off famous 40ish year old man who JUST started to feel consequences from his own actions (justified or not). Yikes. 

[Turnando]

Ed Piskor is one of my favorite creators.  For me, it is him and Jesse Jacobs at the top.  A great artist and a great writer.  That hardly ever happens. Comics are cool but they are 99% garbage and the 1% is done by people like Ed.

I was shocked and saddened to hear this news.  I wouldn't judge anyone based on the information that I've seen so far.  

[Sauce Dog]

On 4/2/2024 at 2:21 PM, Turnando said:

Ed Piskor is one of my favorite creators.  For me, it is him and Jesse Jacobs at the top.  A great artist and a great writer.  That hardly ever happens. Comics are cool but they are 99% garbage and the 1% is done by people like Ed.

I was shocked and saddened to hear this news.  I wouldn't judge anyone based on the information that I've seen so far.  

Those collected editions of Hiphop are one of my top purchases of the last decade (oddly Grand Design was one of my least favourite, but still nice to look at)

[BrashL]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:21 PM, Sauce Dog said:

Not all situations are created equal, we don't have to have an opinion on a matter that covers ALL instances of that topic. We are talking about Piskor here, that is the context, so don't going tossing in some random whataboutism regarding another person. Nobody is saying suicide is a good thing, or a good outcome.

A 16 year old that has been assaulted and harassed for years, for something out of their control, and who has not close to even maturing mentally is not equal to a well-off famous 40ish year old man who JUST started to feel consequences from his own actions (justified or not). Yikes. 

They are equal in the sense that they are human beings and deserve some sympathy for what they felt they had to do, not "They took the easy way out." 

[roach04]

On 4/2/2024 at 8:52 AM, 1Cool said:

My only issue is the cancelling of his career with just allegations of being a creep.  It sounds like from the couple news stories I read that the "cult of cancel" got ahold of the story and online trolled him and probably pushed his employers to cancel his means of making a living which is taking it too far in my opinion.  Just because people can hide behind their computer screens and create a hive mind attack on the guy they feel they can try to take everything and still sleep at night.  To make it worse the few screen shots of the texts were not that creepy in the sense of him trying to groom a person who he wanted to be underaged.  Was the statement that a blow job was necessary to get a number a joke?  We will never know since the online warriors tried and convicted the guy before he even had a chance to defend himself.  Sad the guy died falling on the sword but it sounds to me like an instance when cancel culture went too far.  

But what will really come of it?  The story will be forgotten in a couple days and things will continue in the direction it's been going.  Can't stop progress and online warriors.

Well said.  I didn't know the name well but I'd seen Cartoonist Kayfabe and always found it enjoyable.  It is amazing how quickly so-called comic book fans always pile on to any perceived wrong-doing - almost like they've never really read any of the comics they claim to love.  But with the internet mob, you're immediately guilty and the online warriors will do whatever it takes, with no threat of repercussion, to bury a person.  Really sad stuff.

Edited April 2 by roach04

[Sauce Dog]

On 4/2/2024 at 2:29 PM, roach04 said:

Well said.  I didn't know the name well but I'd seen Comics Kayfabe and always found it enjoyable.  It is amazing how quickly so-called comic book fans always pile on to any perceived wrong-doing - almost like they've never really read any of the comics they claim to love.  But with the internet mob, you're immediately guilty and the online warriors will do whatever it takes, with no threat of repercussion, to bury a person.  Really sad stuff.

Lots of attention is, rightfully so, being put on the 'internet mob' part of this but what I feel is getting lost is how that WTAE-TV Pittsburg newswoman helped drive more stress to Piskor by stalking his parent's house and demanding his elderly father comment on the allegations. Online DMs are one thing (and I'm not diminishing their impact) but having your parents being pulled into a mess (of your own doing) in person is another level. You can tell by his letter he had lots of concern for his parents welfare, so knowing he was going to bring them continued shame & grief would have certainly helped drive him to making such a rash decision.
 

[Ryan.]

On 4/2/2024 at 2:37 PM, Sauce Dog said:

Lots of attention is, rightfully so, being put on the 'internet mob' part of this but what I feel is getting lost is how that WTAE-TV Pittsburg newswoman helped drive more stress to Piskor by stalking his parent's house and demanding his elderly father comment on the allegations. Online DMs are one thing (and I'm not diminishing their impact) but having your parents being pulled into a mess (of your own doing) in person is another level. You can tell by his letter he had lots of concern for his parents welfare, so knowing he was going to bring them continued shame & grief would have certainly helped drive him to making such a rash decision.
 

I was shocked when I saw that broadcast last week, genuinely disturbed that they broadcast Ed's house and his parent's house on TV. That was a terrible decision made by that newschannel.

[jimjum12]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:54 PM, Axe Elf said:

it seems to me that the least repugnant behavior of anyone involved was the artist's.

And the most repugnant? Might I nominate the Internet Bully Hate Brigade and their insistence on making something their business, that isn't, under the guise of "free speech"? Solution ? We all do it from time to time. GOD BLESS ... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

[Qalyar]

On 4/2/2024 at 1:13 PM, BrashL said:

The thing that kills me the most is this is a comic book collector forum populated by a bunch of middle age nerds. If anyone here thinks they haven't given off creepy vibes to a woman they were trying to flirt with....lol...carry on I guess

I can say with certainty that, since ceasing to be a teenager myself, I have never tried to flirt with a minor. 

[sfcityduck]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:03 AM, BrashL said:

No you can't, but you also shouldn't excuse them from the consequences of doing so. 

So if the young woman commits suicide because she is being blamed by people like you for Ed's suicide, you take on that responsibility?

[sfcityduck]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:50 AM, jimjum12 said:

And the most repugnant? Might I nominate the Internet Bully Hate Brigade and their insistence on making something their business, that isn't, under the guise of "free speech"? Solution ? We all do it from time to time. GOD BLESS ... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

I'd nominate the folks trying to blame the young woman for Ed's suicide. As far as I know, she did nothing that our Constitution does not explicitly protect and cherish. If she did, Ed could have sued her. He chose to end his life after blaming others for his own murder. Literally, he blamed others for murdering him and then he killed himself. That's not rational, and no one here should be aping such a sick comment. The guy clearly needed help. The tragedy here is he didn't get it on his own or apparently from his friends or family. We need to do a better job of helping people who are at risk of suicide.

[jimjum12]

On 4/2/2024 at 3:21 PM, sfcityduck said:

he didn't get it on his own or apparently from his friends or family. We need to do a better job of helping people who are at risk of suicide.

There's not enough profit in Mental Health care, it's swept under the rug, and used to victimize people who should be getting some help, by the people who should be giving it to them. GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)