Ed Piskor Has Passed 5 5

[Ken Aldred]

On 4/2/2024 at 11:54 PM, Math Teacher said:

As someone who suffers from depression, there is still a lot of thought from the old days around. 

"What do you have to be sad about? Buck up, buttercup!"

In fact, I didn't start making any progress toward getting better until I, myself, recognized that depression is no different than any other disease, such as diabetes or Parkinsons.

 

On 4/3/2024 at 12:02 AM, jimjum12 said:

My Mom was manic depressive and was in and out of the Hospital most my life. She even had electric shock treatments in the 70's, Thorazine, and all the other mistakes that were made with treatment. My sisters wouldn't take the Grandkids by, but at the end of her life, she finally accepted her medications and the Family mended. She passed at age 58, from the damage done from a combination of her many self destructive behaviors. While her depressive side was rough, her manic side was just so beautiful. It's complicated and pervasive. GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

On 4/3/2024 at 1:07 AM, Corvonie said:

Yes and we all think we’ve stilled our waters until the next pebble hits the surface, or that we’ve dug a far deeper groove of good habits than we often have.

Depression and PTSD are like the sword of damacles, in my experience.  I can make tons of progress, but I have to be vigilant because any stray thing can bring them right back to the forefront after years.

Understanding and reckoning with the fact that you have a disability is so hard, especially a “hidden” one like this.

I’m so happy you’ve made the progress you have and wish you continued progress

Absolutely.  I have Asperger's, depression, borderline mood fluctuation, ADD, OCD, trauma-related PTSD, and it should be obvious to others that a mixture of that intensity creates serious problems about remaining on an even keel.  Except it's largely invisible, with little external indication, no clearly perceivable physical marker.  I had no assistance whatsoever or diagnosis until I was 40 years old, and until then it felt like being trapped in an abyss.   Given how much I get hammered down by my spectrum condition, and the very negative ideation induced by it, I can understand the overwhelming despair in a situation like this one.  Certainly, at present, it's quite a struggle, and maybe miraculous I've made it through six decades.  Mental illness tests resilience, the ability to work through the nihilism and manage to reach and experience another brighter day, and not all of us make it. It's horrendous to be in thrall to that.

[BrashL]

On 4/2/2024 at 8:11 PM, Ken Aldred said:

Except it's largely invisible, with little external indication, no clearly perceivable physical marker. 

"Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind"

You never really know what most people are going through. I try to live by that phrase and fall down much more than I'd like to admit but if we could all just treat each other kindly what a world we would live in.

[Corvonie]

On 4/2/2024 at 2:13 PM, BrashL said:

The thing that kills me the most is this is a comic book collector forum populated by a bunch of middle age nerds. If anyone here thinks they haven't given off creepy vibes to a woman they were trying to flirt with....lol...carry on I guess

LOL This is the best PSA on this thread

[bc]

On 4/2/2024 at 8:12 PM, Mike's Rack said:

Ed Piskor was an imperfect person.  He also brought incomparable meaning and joy to the lives of many people, myself included.  I am also an imperfect person, I hope I can bring others a fraction of the meaning and joy that Ed did.

+1

“The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.” -Marc Antony in Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

-bc

[Corvonie]

Oh hey, I don’t know who the moderator is on this forum, but if I had JUST ONE suggestion to make after all this, it would be to try to curb further hearsay and recriminations of anyone involved in this tragedy and keep the discourse about our feelings rather than accusing people of things that we will never have enough information to even reasonably guess about.

I haven’t read nearly all of this thread, but I have seen enough speculating about and calling out of people’s motivations in accusing Ed to make me think “isn’t this the exact same ignorant, unfair pressure Ed was talking about in his letter?”

That’s one benefit of a moderated forum.

[CGC Mike]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:37 PM, Corvonie said:

Oh hey, I don’t know who the moderator is on this forum, but if I had JUST ONE suggestion to make after all this, it would be to try to curb further hearsay and recriminations of anyone involved in this tragedy and keep the discourse about our feelings rather than accusing people of things that we will never have enough information to even reasonably guess about.

That would be me.  There is no way that I am going to try to decide which posts are hearsay or not.  

[CGC Mike]

I will make sure it stays civil, though.  Keep name calling and politics to home and we should be fine.

[Corvonie]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:47 PM, CGC Mike said:

That would be me.  There is no way that I am going to try to decide which posts are hearsay or not.  

Totally understandable, thank you! And really, more of a comment for the people participating in the thread then you.

I didn’t expect to get an actual reply, so apologies if I disturbed you.

[CGC Mike]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:52 PM, Corvonie said:

Totally understandable, thank you! And really, more of a comment for the people participating in the thread then you.

I didn’t expect to get an actual reply, so apologies if I disturbed you.

No worries.  If you hear a loud roar and the forum starts to shake, you will know that I have been disturbed.

[Corvonie]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:50 PM, CGC Mike said:

I will make sure it stays civil, though.  Keep name calling and politics to home and we should be fine.

Yes, this is basically it.  I would say to people here:

if you feel badly about what happened to Ed and your reaction to that is to point the same pressure and unfounded accusations at someone else personally involved in this, maybe do that math in your head one more time.

[Corvonie]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:54 PM, CGC Mike said:

No worries.  If you hear a loud roar and the forum starts to shake, you will know that I have been disturbed.

[D84]

On 4/2/2024 at 8:17 PM, BrashL said:

"Always try to be nice, but never fail to be kind"

You never really know what most people are going through. I try to live by that phrase and fall down much more than I'd like to admit but if we could all just treat each other kindly what a world we would live in.

If we all strive for this, especially with people we don't necessarily get along with, maybe we can prevent someone else from making the choice Mr. Piskor felt he had to.

I know I've fallen short more often than should but I will try harder.

[Cman429]

When the accusations surfaced, the mods of the comic books Reddit literally posted “anybody giving Ed even the slightest benefit of doubt will be banned.” If that isn’t an indictment on the state of internet culture, I don’t know what is. I don’t care to litigate what Ed did or didn’t do, what I do know is if you or someone you love has never done/said something stupid then, uh, congratulations. The rest of us imperfect people need to look at Ed and hope we aren’t judged by our worst moment. Because if this isn’t a cautionary tale, then I don’t know if we’ll ever learn to be better. 

[CAHokie]

On 4/2/2024 at 9:54 PM, CGC Mike said:

No worries.  If you hear a loud roar and the forum starts to shake, you will know that I have been disturbed.

“This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.”  - T. S. Eliot

[Randall Dowling]

Wrong thread. 

Edited April 3 by Randall Dowling

[Poekaymon]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:13 PM, Cman429 said:

When the accusations surfaced, the mods of the comic books Reddit literally posted “anybody giving Ed even the slightest benefit of doubt will be banned.” If that isn’t an indictment on the state of internet culture, I don’t know what is. I don’t care to litigate what Ed did or didn’t do, what I do know is if you or someone you love has never done/said something stupid then, uh, congratulations. The rest of us imperfect people need to look at Ed and hope we aren’t judged by our worst moment. Because if this isn’t a cautionary tale, then I don’t know if we’ll ever learn to be better. 

I don't think that happened.  And what I find to be an indictment on the state of internet culture is the current trend of twisting (or fabricating entirely) "facts" to fit an agenda.  But feel free to prove me wrong with a link to such a post. 

Now what I have seen is on various message boards and subreddits is things like "posts denigrating the accusers will be removed."  (Different statement, obviously.)  And I just now looked on r/comicbooks, and what I see, and which anyone can go right now and fact check, is an 852 comment thread with a lot of posts echoing sentiments being expressed here and in support of Ed.  Those posts have not been removed and those posters have not been banned.  I think you'll be okay.

 

[Prince Namor]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:15 PM, sfcityduck said:

As I understand it, the allegation is grooming. And grooming is not sexual assault. The grooming I believe we are discussing here is when an older perpetrator takes advantage of a young person, typically ages 13-17, to induce them to have some sort of sexual relations in a state where such relationships are legal. Put differently, if a young woman can consent in State A at age 17, but lives in State B where she can't, an older person's successful attempt to induce that young woman to travel to State A can be a crime arising from what is known as "grooming."

What is the minimum for what would be considered 'grooming'. If those are the only texts relating to the allegation over a one year time frame, I would think that wouldn't qualify.

[Prince Namor]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:22 PM, sfcityduck said:

Of course, I agree with your second statement. But, I don't know anyone who truly understands the history of our criminal justice system as it relates to rape and the relevant statistics who would agree with the first. The system, meaning police, prosecutors, and courts, has traditionally and to large extent still do a disservice to victims. Which does not make every accusation true. For all crimes, there are improper accusations and defense verdicts. 

Without a doubt.

And as much as I question what happened in this instance with Piskor and his accusers, I certainly think it's females BY FAR who've gotten the short end of the stick through the legal system, and even the process leading up to the legal system by family, friends and even so called professionals. 

[sfcityduck]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:00 PM, Prince Namor said:

What is the minimum for what would be considered 'grooming'. If those are the only texts relating to the allegation over a one year time frame, I would think that wouldn't qualify.

Neither you nor I know the full facts and I feel no need to speculate. It's a tough issue.

Edited April 3 by sfcityduck

[Prince Namor]

On 4/2/2024 at 10:35 PM, BrashL said:

This is an extraordinarily bad take. Substitute Ed  for a 32 year old Trans person who was being relentlessly mocked and abused by his community. Substitute a 25 year old rape victim who is drug through the mud for accusing someone of power. To say that their suicides exist in a bubble and they just decided to be suicidal one day is gross. 

 

That's the problem with social media lynch mobs and whisper campaigns. He can't defend himself because he's already been convicted and sentenced. He already lost all his work, he already had people start to pull away from him for fear of guilt by association. This is exactly why we have a criminal justice system to being with. 

Exactly.

Because there were no charges.

She decided to out him for whatever the reason was, and it socially and financially crippled him. And being.. a socially awkward person in the first place... he just couldn't handle it.

My son has Aspergers, and it's full on Aspergers, and for him... he can't even be on Facebook, just because of the negativity of it. He can't handle it. Different levels of pressure, negativity, complex emotions... they hit different people in different ways...

Our society likes to think of every one as exactly the same. Able to handle any situation the same as the next person.

It's not even close to that.