Ed Hanes Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) I don't know..I have always been under the impression that a crunch in a book (of any type) is a default that appears as 'folded in' as if it's been impacted ..maybe a crunch is something different to CGC. I am not seeing anything but a loosened splinter at the top of the spine ..are they calling that a crunch now...maybe a 'crunch' is something that can only be seen with CGC's supposedly new high powered microscopes they use for detecting insect damage...maybe they got an electron microscope and can see at the nanometer level anyway , I cant see any CRUNCH Edited April 23 by Ed Hanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnight Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 They clearly used an electron microscope to observe the atoms have been permanently displaced by an extra 4 pico-meters. Automatic 1 point deduction! Joking aside; I think they just used bad wording here. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topnotchman Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I don’t see any damage in the image, but a crunch would be a corner impact affecting the pages and possibly the cover at the same time. This is typically fixable with pressing. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topnotchman Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 If one were to quick press a cover and not the pages of the entire book. A crunch could still be present as a defect upon inspection by opening the book. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 That appears to be a Bindery Tear, however, the graders notes state "crunch top of spine through book", a Bindery Tear will not go through the entire book, judging by the definitions of bindery tear and corner crunch the "through book" statement seems to be the deciding factor here. This is the definition of a "bindery tear". Bindery Tear. a small horizontal rip found on the spine in a book's cover that can usually be seen from the front to the back. NM/MT 9.8 - No bindery tears are allowed, NM+ 9.6 - No bindery tears are allowed, NM 9.4 - Bindery tears must be less than 1/16" on Silver Age and later books, There are no mentions of bindery tears from FN/VF 7.0 to NM- 9.2, the next mention of anything related is in... FN 6.0 - There can also be a 1/4" spine split This is the definition of a "corner crunch" from CGC. Corner Crunch - Corner of the book that has been impacted to cause multiple bends in both directions through the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 On 4/24/2024 at 9:28 AM, marvelmaniac said: That appears to be a Bindery Tear, however, the graders notes state "crunch top of spine through book", a Bindery Tear will not go through the entire book, judging by the definitions of bindery tear and corner crunch the "through book" statement seems to be the deciding factor here. This is the definition of a "bindery tear". Bindery Tear. a small horizontal rip found on the spine in a book's cover that can usually be seen from the front to the back. NM/MT 9.8 - No bindery tears are allowed, NM+ 9.6 - No bindery tears are allowed, NM 9.4 - Bindery tears must be less than 1/16" on Silver Age and later books, There are no mentions of bindery tears from FN/VF 7.0 to NM- 9.2, the next mention of anything related is in... FN 6.0 - There can also be a 1/4" spine split This is the definition of a "corner crunch" from CGC. Corner Crunch - Corner of the book that has been impacted to cause multiple bends in both directions through the book. Useful information, thanks Perhaps I will just unslab it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 On 4/23/2024 at 7:33 PM, Topnotchman said: If one were to quick press a cover and not the pages of the entire book. A crunch could still be present as a defect upon inspection by opening the book. This. celluloidbuff and Mayor006 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 On 4/23/2024 at 7:33 PM, Topnotchman said: If one were to quick press a cover and not the pages of the entire book. A crunch could still be present as a defect upon inspection by opening the book. maybe it was pressed by previous owner ...but I dont remember any 'crunch' upon receiving the raw..I did not use any pressing service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulksdaddy1 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 He's in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTheDuck Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I'll see your Captain and raise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 4/23/2024 at 7:33 PM, Topnotchman said: If one were to quick press a cover and not the pages of the entire book. A crunch could still be present as a defect upon inspection by opening the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Hanes Posted Tuesday at 09:46 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 09:46 PM (edited) so the 'crunch' they seem to refer to...it looks more like the comic was bent at the corner , about one inch down and one inch over, making a diagonal...could probably be pressed. The bend is not that apparent in the interior pages but is easily seen in the front and back cover. And I dont see any effect on the spine. I couldn't see it until I removed the slab Edited Tuesday at 11:21 PM by Ed Hanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted Tuesday at 10:33 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:33 PM (edited) On 4/24/2024 at 9:28 AM, marvelmaniac said: That appears to be a Bindery Tear, however, the graders notes state "crunch top of spine through book", a Bindery Tear will not go through the entire book, judging by the definitions of bindery tear and corner crunch the "through book" statement seems to be the deciding factor here. This is the definition of a "bindery tear". Bindery Tear. a small horizontal rip found on the spine in a book's cover that can usually be seen from the front to the back. NM/MT 9.8 - No bindery tears are allowed, NM+ 9.6 - No bindery tears are allowed, NM 9.4 - Bindery tears must be less than 1/16" on Silver Age and later books, There are no mentions of bindery tears from FN/VF 7.0 to NM- 9.2, the next mention of anything related is in... FN 6.0 - There can also be a 1/4" spine split This is the definition of a "corner crunch" from CGC. Corner Crunch - Corner of the book that has been impacted to cause multiple bends in both directions through the book. Whose definition? Edited Tuesday at 10:34 PM by shadroch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted Wednesday at 05:47 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:47 PM On 4/30/2024 at 6:33 PM, shadroch said: Whose definition? https://covrprice.com/glossary-of-comic-terms/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted Wednesday at 08:50 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 08:50 PM On 5/1/2024 at 10:47 AM, marvelmaniac said: https://covrprice.com/glossary-of-comic-terms/ Not seeing it. As far as I know, CGC allows minor bindary tears in HG books. I don't know or care how coverprice.com treats them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
