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[NewWorldOrder]

On 4/19/2023 at 5:33 PM, Straw-Man said:

I can play!

 

tigghhhht Aaaaaaa

[WernerVonDoom]

[Dick Pontoon]

[Straw-Man]

annual 8 did come out before #108, so it's good here!!

[Straw-Man]

On 4/19/2023 at 8:15 PM, NewWorldOrder said:

tigghhhht Aaaaaaa

hahahahahahahaha

[WernerVonDoom]

I'm going to continue in the FF Bronze thread tomorrow with #103 if anyone wants to join.

[MattTheDuck]

On 4/19/2023 at 5:51 AM, KirbyJack said:

#108 is half Kirby. It’s a mess. 

the “entire” story is here

Just like you can hear a band about to break up on Abbey Road.

 

[Frisco Larson]

On 4/20/2023 at 10:38 AM, WernerVonDoom said:

I'm going to continue in the FF Bronze thread tomorrow with #103 if anyone wants to join.

Smokin' copy here!!!  

[collector_bill]

A few additions. 

[Frisco Larson]

Nice haul of FFs Sir!!!  

[KirbyJack]

True. I think my FFs are nice, but there's not one 9.4 among them. Congratulations!

[Straw-Man]

very purty quartet!

[trmoore54]

FANTASTIC FOUR 1-50 HG CENSUS ANALYSIS                       4.23.2023

TOUGHEST IN HIGH GRADE

Checked in on the ASM 1-50 Census (see Amazing Spider-Man Collecting Thread in Silver Age Comic Books) so thought I’d do the same with FF 1-50.

Here we see no change in the Top Eleven with issues 17 and 4 changing spots at Ranks 12 and 13 respectively.  The next 10 spots are pretty static with issue 24 jumping up to the 23^rd spot and issue 43 dropping to 29^th.  Overall pretty much the same order.

Clearly early FFs in HG are difficult to come by.  When I finally got around to selling my 7 and 11 in 9.0 I was really torn…just felt these two books in particular were very undervalued at the time and still so.  You can see the numbers pale in comparison with ASM 1-50 numbers by about half on average…bear in mind FF debuted in November 1961 about a year and a half before ASM 1 in March 1963.  FF 1 remains the most difficult of the SA Keys in total HG numbers at 19 graded books while Hulk 1 is currently one back at 20 books.  Although FF 1 has two 9.6s and three 9.4s while Hulk has the lone 9.4 as it’s highest graded copy.

Other than the bottom 3 books, with issues 44 and 48 being warehouse finds, FF saw only 9 new 9.8s in the last 4 years.  As for resubmission upgrades, it would appear that one issue of 7 upgraded from 9.0 to 9.2, while an issue of 4 apparently went the other direction from 9.2 to 9.0.  Ouch.  Issue 12 saw 2 upgrades from 9.2 to 9.4 and issue 32 saw a 9.6 convert to a 9.8.  Issue 27 saw 4 9.2 upgrades to 9.4 and an apparent copy dropping to 9.0…issue 45 had two 9.4 upgrades to 9.6.

Also comparing to ASM 1-20 FF has only 48% of the Spidey total books graded in HG 9.0 – 10.0 (5,881 books compared to 12,027 books).  And while ASM has only 6 books with a total of HG copies less than 100 FF has 31 books!

 

Here’s my write-up from July 2019…

I just recently updated my HG Census analysis for ASM 1-50 which I posted in the ASM 11 thread.  Now let’s have a look at the Fantastic Four 1-52.  As for the ASM data, the last time I put his together was in August 2014 as well.  Let’s break it down…

As per the title, I am using the Census to examine the numbers.  As with all analyses and empirical data/evidence…there are factors of error to be considered…retired books resubmitted probably the foremost issue…but all-in-all the numbers appear to be consistent with the Jan 2012 analysis and my non-published analysis prior to that.  Also the fact that “key” and singular books will have more submissions than the other issues.

Additionally in the case of the FF issues, issues 44 and 48 are warehouse finds and thus significantly more issues have been submitted and graded for these 2 books with higher grades as would be expected.

Let’s start with some general statements of fact:

Of the 50 books, 14 issues have only added 8 or less copies to the Census in grades 9.0-10.0 or 28-per cent.  The most difficult of all, with only 3/4/5 added copies respectively are issues 1, 11 and 8.  Next up is Issue 12 with 6 copies and then Issues 3, 4, 5, 6 and 18 with 7 copies and rounding out Issues 7, 17 and and 19 with 8 copies.  Issues 16 and 20 have 10 copies added.

Issue 1 retains the top spot with 16 issues and only three 9.0s added.  Issue 3 is next with only 27 copies.  And then those 2 dark covers, Issues 11 (31) and 7 (34) followed by Issue 8 (36 copies) to round out the Top 5.  The order is the same as in 2014 except for 7 and 11 changing spots.

Issues 2, 18, 5, 2, 13 and 6 round out the Top 10.

Twelve issues do not have a 9.8 adding 2 9.8s down from 14…Issues 9 and 49 each added one 9.8  There are a total of 29 9.8s added.  Of the issues without 9.8s, Issues 7 and 8 have only one 9.6!

Fifteen Issues now have 100 or more HG copies graded up from 10.  Issue 48’s total numbers have risen by a staggering 121 copies or an average of 24 per year.  There have  been no 9.8s or 9.6s added for Issues 1, 3, 11, 7, 8, 2, 18, 5, 13, 6 and 4 in their order in the rankings.

9.8!

Still only 145 copies in the entire run achieving the rarified 9.8 grade status (or 2.9-per cent)!  That represents a meager 32 issues added in the last 5 years of an average of just over 6 a year!

As previously mentioned, Issues 9 and 49 joined the list with 1 copy each.

9.6!

Only 73 9.6 copies for an average of a little under 15/year. 

Summarily, there are only 5,013 CGC graded issues of FF 1-50 graded 9.0 or better…an overall increase of a 1,130 copies in the last 5 years…and average of 226/year. 

Side-by-side comparison

Grade   2014     2019

9.8       113       145       28.3-per cent increase

9.6       391       483       23.5-per cent increase

9.4       849       1066     25.5-per cent increase

9.2       955       1371     30.4-per cent increase

9.0       1443     1948     34.9-per cent increase

 

FF	Issues 1-52					8.25.14
	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	TOTAL
1		2	3	2	6	13
3	1	1	2	10	6	20
7		1	5	8	12	26
11		2	5	6	14	27
8		1	7	5	18	31
18	1	1	5	12	12	31
5		2	11	11	8	32
2	1	2	6	11	14	33
13	1	3	5	10	16	35
9		6	13	7	10	36
6		2	6	11	18	37
17	1	4	8	11	16	40
15	2	4	8	12	15	41
4		6	10	11	16	43
19	1	7	13	8	16	45
31	2	3	11	13	16	45
23	1	4	6	16	20	47
10	2	4	11	12	20	49
12		4	14	17	14	49
37		4	8	17	20	49
29		8	6	19	21	54
16	1	2	18	15	19	55
20	1	7	10	8	30	56
34		2	16	20	21	59
51		7	10	21	21	59
42	2	4	14	17	23	60
43	2	7	12	20	21	62
40		7	6	18	32	63
14	3	7	16	14	24	64
22	2	7	15	14	26	64
27	1	4	13	18	28	64
25	2	5	11	20	33	71
30	1	8	20	22	22	73
32	2	11	10	16	34	73
24	4	11	20	14	27	76
21	4	6	14	23	32	79
33	5	7	22	15	30	79
38	2	9	19	29	22	81
28	2	6	24	22	38	92
39	2	10	18	19	43	92
26	2	11	19	29	33	94
36	1	8	17	33	36	95
45	3	5	15	24	58	105
50	2	5	13	38	57	115
52	3	12	27	37	72	115
35	3	16	22	36	43	120
41	7	10	34	30	40	121
47	2	14	33	39	38	126
49		9	22	35	60	126
46	7	18	45	60	53	183
44	9	33	90	69	64	265
48	28	71	98	105	148	450
TOTALS	116	410	886	1109	1536	4057
2013	105	373	764	955	1314	3511
DELTA	11	37	122	154	222	546

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[trmoore54]

Here's the spreadsheet from July 2019.

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 4/23/2023 at 4:59 PM, trmoore54 said:

FANTASTIC FOUR 1-50 HG CENSUS ANALYSIS                       4.23.2023

TOUGHEST IN HIGH GRADE

Checked in on the ASM 1-50 Census (see Amazing Spider-Man Collecting Thread in Silver Age Comic Books) so thought I’d do the same with FF 1-50.

Here we see no change in the Top Eleven with issues 17 and 4 changing spots at Ranks 12 and 13 respectively.  The next 10 spots are pretty static with issue 24 jumping up to the 23^rd spot and issue 43 dropping to 29^th.  Overall pretty much the same order.

Clearly early FFs in HG are difficult to come by.  When I finally got around to selling my 7 and 11 in 9.0 I was really torn…just felt these two books in particular were very undervalued at the time and still so.  You can see the numbers pale in comparison with ASM 1-50 numbers by about half on average…bear in mind FF debuted in November 1961 about a year and a half before ASM 1 in March 1963.  FF 1 remains the most difficult of the SA Keys in total HG numbers at 19 graded books while Hulk 1 is currently one back at 20 books.  Although FF 1 has two 9.6s and three 9.4s while Hulk has the lone 9.4 as it’s highest graded copy.

Other than the bottom 3 books, with issues 44 and 48 being warehouse finds, FF saw only 9 new 9.8s in the last 4 years.  As for resubmission upgrades, it would appear that one issue of 7 upgraded from 9.0 to 9.2, while an issue of 4 apparently went the other direction from 9.2 to 9.0.  Ouch.  Issue 12 saw 2 upgrades from 9.2 to 9.4 and issue 32 saw a 9.6 convert to a 9.8.  Issue 27 saw 4 9.2 upgrades to 9.4 and an apparent copy dropping to 9.0…issue 45 had two 9.4 upgrades to 9.6.

Also comparing to ASM 1-20 FF has only 48% of the Spidey total books graded in HG 9.0 – 10.0 (5,881 books compared to 12,027 books).  And while ASM has only 6 books with a total of HG copies less than 100 FF has 31 books!

 

Here’s my write-up from July 2019…

I just recently updated my HG Census analysis for ASM 1-50 which I posted in the ASM 11 thread.  Now let’s have a look at the Fantastic Four 1-52.  As for the ASM data, the last time I put his together was in August 2014 as well.  Let’s break it down…

As per the title, I am using the Census to examine the numbers.  As with all analyses and empirical data/evidence…there are factors of error to be considered…retired books resubmitted probably the foremost issue…but all-in-all the numbers appear to be consistent with the Jan 2012 analysis and my non-published analysis prior to that.  Also the fact that “key” and singular books will have more submissions than the other issues.

Additionally in the case of the FF issues, issues 44 and 48 are warehouse finds and thus significantly more issues have been submitted and graded for these 2 books with higher grades as would be expected.

Let’s start with some general statements of fact:

Of the 50 books, 14 issues have only added 8 or less copies to the Census in grades 9.0-10.0 or 28-per cent.  The most difficult of all, with only 3/4/5 added copies respectively are issues 1, 11 and 8.  Next up is Issue 12 with 6 copies and then Issues 3, 4, 5, 6 and 18 with 7 copies and rounding out Issues 7, 17 and and 19 with 8 copies.  Issues 16 and 20 have 10 copies added.

Issue 1 retains the top spot with 16 issues and only three 9.0s added.  Issue 3 is next with only 27 copies.  And then those 2 dark covers, Issues 11 (31) and 7 (34) followed by Issue 8 (36 copies) to round out the Top 5.  The order is the same as in 2014 except for 7 and 11 changing spots.

Issues 2, 18, 5, 2, 13 and 6 round out the Top 10.

Twelve issues do not have a 9.8 adding 2 9.8s down from 14…Issues 9 and 49 each added one 9.8  There are a total of 29 9.8s added.  Of the issues without 9.8s, Issues 7 and 8 have only one 9.6!

Fifteen Issues now have 100 or more HG copies graded up from 10.  Issue 48’s total numbers have risen by a staggering 121 copies or an average of 24 per year.  There have  been no 9.8s or 9.6s added for Issues 1, 3, 11, 7, 8, 2, 18, 5, 13, 6 and 4 in their order in the rankings.

9.8!

Still only 145 copies in the entire run achieving the rarified 9.8 grade status (or 2.9-per cent)!  That represents a meager 32 issues added in the last 5 years of an average of just over 6 a year!

As previously mentioned, Issues 9 and 49 joined the list with 1 copy each.

9.6!

Only 73 9.6 copies for an average of a little under 15/year. 

Summarily, there are only 5,013 CGC graded issues of FF 1-50 graded 9.0 or better…an overall increase of a 1,130 copies in the last 5 years…and average of 226/year. 

Side-by-side comparison

Grade   2014     2019

9.8       113       145       28.3-per cent increase

9.6       391       483       23.5-per cent increase

9.4       849       1066     25.5-per cent increase

9.2       955       1371     30.4-per cent increase

9.0       1443     1948     34.9-per cent increase

 

FF	Issues 1-52					8.25.14
	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	TOTAL
1		2	3	2	6	13
3	1	1	2	10	6	20
7		1	5	8	12	26
11		2	5	6	14	27
8		1	7	5	18	31
18	1	1	5	12	12	31
5		2	11	11	8	32
2	1	2	6	11	14	33
13	1	3	5	10	16	35
9		6	13	7	10	36
6		2	6	11	18	37
17	1	4	8	11	16	40
15	2	4	8	12	15	41
4		6	10	11	16	43
19	1	7	13	8	16	45
31	2	3	11	13	16	45
23	1	4	6	16	20	47
10	2	4	11	12	20	49
12		4	14	17	14	49
37		4	8	17	20	49
29		8	6	19	21	54
16	1	2	18	15	19	55
20	1	7	10	8	30	56
34		2	16	20	21	59
51		7	10	21	21	59
42	2	4	14	17	23	60
43	2	7	12	20	21	62
40		7	6	18	32	63
14	3	7	16	14	24	64
22	2	7	15	14	26	64
27	1	4	13	18	28	64
25	2	5	11	20	33	71
30	1	8	20	22	22	73
32	2	11	10	16	34	73
24	4	11	20	14	27	76
21	4	6	14	23	32	79
33	5	7	22	15	30	79
38	2	9	19	29	22	81
28	2	6	24	22	38	92
39	2	10	18	19	43	92
26	2	11	19	29	33	94
36	1	8	17	33	36	95
45	3	5	15	24	58	105
50	2	5	13	38	57	115
52	3	12	27	37	72	115
35	3	16	22	36	43	120
41	7	10	34	30	40	121
47	2	14	33	39	38	126
49		9	22	35	60	126
46	7	18	45	60	53	183
44	9	33	90	69	64	265
48	28	71	98	105	148	450
TOTALS	116	410	886	1109	1536	4057
2013	105	373	764	955	1314	3511
DELTA	11	37	122	154	222	546

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reassuring that the last issue I needed to complete #2-10 in 9.0 was #3, and I finally got one ... and of course I'm not surprised that #11 is the last 9.4 I need to complete #11-75.

[jimjum12]

For any of you who don't go to General much, our very own Thomas just passed at 55  The FF was his favorite, at least what he told me. I really liked that guy ... and he was a Veteran too. GOD BLESS ... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

Good Bye Thread for Thomas.

[southern cross]

[Frisco Larson]

New in!

[Gaard]

What the heck is this thread doing on the 2nd page?

 

[KirbyJack]

Good save, Space Goalie. I admit I’ve been off my game lately.