4GEMWORKS Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Missing Four Color Observation: Those issues that are definitely missing all seem to have a handwritten note at the bottom of each first page, visible in many pictures. It's almost as though they didn't know what else to do with them. This writing does no appear on any other issue that I am aware of outside the missing issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Are there other -- possibly not yet identified? -- candidates for the missing numbers if we knock out dubious issues such as B&C and Cain's Hundred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Are there other -- possibly not yet identified? -- candidates for the missing numbers if we knock out dubious issues such as B&C and Cain's Hundred? I don't know. Only after definite issues are identified can we see what the gap is as far as missing issues versus confirmed issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Mines low grade, but I'm just happy to have a copy Kind of makes you wonder what was going on at Dell in 1940-- did someone just say, "Hey, lets try raising the price of a few comics by 50% in certain markets and see what happens?" Seems unlikely, especially since the typical purchasers of comics would be especially sensitive to this sort of increase. What would the reaction have been when distributors/retailers got wind of the fact that the cover price of their comics was increased, yet the prices in other markets remained the same? If it's been established that these were not Canadian copies is it possible they were printed domestically for sale in some other English-speaking country or an American territory? By the way, nice copy of FC4, Montezuma-- it sure doesn't look low grade in the photo. As a collector of the Marvel price variants and knowing of many other issues since discovered, that is exactly what many publishers did. It might have been just a single market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJD Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Is this the candidate 'missing' Gyro? If so, I have a raw one and can scan the indicia if that helps. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Is this the candidate 'missing' Gyro? If so, I have a raw one and can scan the indicia if that helps. Yes, that's the one. I only have a slabbed copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Interestingly Is this the candidate 'missing' Gyro? If so, I have a raw one and can scan the indicia if that helps. Yes, that's the one. I only have a slabbed copy. Interestingly I actually have a slabbed copy graded as a Four Color and assigned a number, I forget which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Is this the candidate 'missing' Gyro? If so, I have a raw one and can scan the indicia if that helps. Please scan the indicia if you don't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Interestingly Is this the candidate 'missing' Gyro? If so, I have a raw one and can scan the indicia if that helps. Yes, that's the one. I only have a slabbed copy. Interestingly I actually have a slabbed copy graded as a Four Color and assigned a number, I forget which. 1329, I think, judging from your list. You had two candidates for that one -- GG and Ben Casey. For reasons you gave in your earlier post, it looks like GG is probably the winning candidate for that slot, pending a look at GG's indicia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJD Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 OK, I'll scan it when I get home tonight. 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Due in on the next wagon train from Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Due in on the next wagon train from Texas. The Four Color made incredible use of these base colors, yellow in this case. Great find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJD Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Is this the candidate 'missing' Gyro? If so, I have a raw one and can scan the indicia if that helps. Please scan the indicia if you don't mind. Well, this is embarrassing. I had an absolute beater of a copy I got in a lot, but it's nowhere to be found. I suspect it was given away to visiting kids at some stage. Sorry about that... 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooroldman Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Is this the candidate 'missing' Gyro? If so, I have a raw one and can scan the indicia if that helps. Please scan the indicia if you don't mind. Well, this is embarrassing. I had an absolute beater of a copy I got in a lot, but it's nowhere to be found. I suspect it was given away to visiting kids at some stage. Sorry about that... Does this help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJD Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) I was updating my Four Color Collection Description in advance of the annual awards. I thought I'd share the last part which is new this year: I'll post some pictures that will likely be new to a few people. Missing Four Colors: I have previously discussed the missing Four Colors. Here now is a list of comics that might well be the “missing Four Color issues”. These were derived by looking at date marks on the cover and determining if they were part of another numbered series of comics that might have existed. For example if Bonanza #5 was trtuly #5 it would say so in the indica. Most of the missing Four Colors simply used a cryptic code of letters that few people understood. But what could be done was to match up dates and the issues that were not part of another series match up nearly perfectly with the missing issues: 1217: Ken and Barbie #1 01-053-207 1228: Bonanza 01-070-207 1292: Cain’s Hundred #1 01-094-207 1314: Donald Duck Album 01-204-207 1315: Follow the Sun 01-280-207 1316: King Leanardo 01-390-207 1317: Laramie: 01-418-207 1318: Leave it to Beaver 01-428-207 1319: Lolly and Pepper 01-459-207 1320: Man From Wells fargo 01-495-207 1321: Marge’s Lulu and Tubby in Japan 01-476-207 1322: The Prince and the Pauper 01-654-207 1323: National Velvet 01-556-207 1324: Pixie Dixie and Mr. Jinx 01-631-207 1325: The Real McCoy’s 01-689-207 1326: The Twilight Zone 01-860-207 1327: The Untouchables 01-879-207 1329 This is unusual. Ben casey seems to fit the spot (#1 ) 12-063-207 However Gyro Gearloose also seems to fit the spot. In fact I have a Gyro Gearloose in a CGC case titled Four Color #1329, despite the fact that 1329 is listed nowhere on the title or indica. 1331: Blue Phantom #1 01-066-208 1334: Dazey’s Diary 01-174-208 1338: Fury 01-292-208 1339 Rawhide 01-684-208 1340: Beany and Cecil 01-057-209 1342: Brenda Lee’s Life Story 01-078-209 1343: Bullwinkle 01-090-209 1344: Drift Marlo #1 01-090-209 1345: Famous Indian Tribes #1 12-264-209 1346; Jungle War Stories #1 01-384-209 1347: King Of Diamonds 01-391-209 1351: The Magic Sword 12-496-209 1352: Ponytail #1 12-641-209 1353: 77 Sunset Strip 01-742-209 One book that seems to be lost and would also fit in this slot (1353), is The Twist 01-864-209 1355: Bonanza 01-070-210 1356: The Three Stooges Meet Hercules 01-828-208 1357: Mickey Mouse Album 12-518-210 1358: National Velvet 12-556-210 1359: The Twilight Zone 12-860-210 1360: The Untouchables 12-879-210 1361 (questionable?) Walt Disney’s Goofy: Scoutmaster Does this help? 1329 does in fact appear in the indicia in this copy - looks like we have a winner. Your comment above makes me wonder if there is more than one version of this issue. But the scan here would certainly explain the slabbed #1329 Edited February 28, 2016 by AJD 1950's war comics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I was updating my Four Color Collection Description in advance of the annual awards. I thought I'd share the last part which is new this year: I'll post some pictures that will likely be new to a few people. Missing Four Colors: I have previously discussed the missing Four Colors. Here now is a list of comics that might well be the “missing Four Color issues”. These were derived by looking at date marks on the cover and determining if they were part of another numbered series of comics that might have existed. For example if Bonanza #5 was trtuly #5 it would say so in the indica. Most of the missing Four Colors simply used a cryptic code of letters that few people understood. But what could be done was to match up dates and the issues that were not part of another series match up nearly perfectly with the missing issues: 1217: Ken and Barbie #1 01-053-207 1228: Bonanza 01-070-207 1292: Cain’s Hundred #1 01-094-207 1314: Donald Duck Album 01-204-207 1315: Follow the Sun 01-280-207 1316: King Leanardo 01-390-207 1317: Laramie: 01-418-207 1318: Leave it to Beaver 01-428-207 1319: Lolly and Pepper 01-459-207 1320: Man From Wells fargo 01-495-207 1321: Marge’s Lulu and Tubby in Japan 01-476-207 1322: The Prince and the Pauper 01-654-207 1323: National Velvet 01-556-207 1324: Pixie Dixie and Mr. Jinx 01-631-207 1325: The Real McCoy’s 01-689-207 1326: The Twilight Zone 01-860-207 1327: The Untouchables 01-879-207 1329 This is unusual. Ben casey seems to fit the spot (#1 ) 12-063-207 However Gyro Gearloose also seems to fit the spot. In fact I have a Gyro Gearloose in a CGC case titled Four Color #1329, despite the fact that 1329 is listed nowhere on the title or indica. 1331: Blue Phantom #1 01-066-208 1334: Dazey’s Diary 01-174-208 1338: Fury 01-292-208 1339 Rawhide 01-684-208 1340: Beany and Cecil 01-057-209 1342: Brenda Lee’s Life Story 01-078-209 1343: Bullwinkle 01-090-209 1344: Drift Marlo #1 01-090-209 1345: Famous Indian Tribes #1 12-264-209 1346; Jungle War Stories #1 01-384-209 1347: King Of Diamonds 01-391-209 1351: The Magic Sword 12-496-209 1352: Ponytail #1 12-641-209 1353: 77 Sunset Strip 01-742-209 One book that seems to be lost and would also fit in this slot (1353), is The Twist 01-864-209 1355: Bonanza 01-070-210 1356: The Three Stooges Meet Hercules 01-828-208 1357: Mickey Mouse Album 12-518-210 1358: National Velvet 12-556-210 1359: The Twilight Zone 12-860-210 1360: The Untouchables 12-879-210 1361 (questionable?) Walt Disney’s Goofy: Scoutmaster Does this help? 1329 does in fact appear in the indicia in this copy - looks like we have a winner. Your comment above makes me wonder if there is more than one version of this issue. But the scan here would certainly explain the slabbed #1329 No doubt this was missing. It was going to be issue 1329. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Mines low grade, but I'm just happy to have a copy Kind of makes you wonder what was going on at Dell in 1940-- did someone just say, "Hey, lets try raising the price of a few comics by 50% in certain markets and see what happens?" Seems unlikely, especially since the typical purchasers of comics would be especially sensitive to this sort of increase. What would the reaction have been when distributors/retailers got wind of the fact that the cover price of their comics was increased, yet the prices in other markets remained the same? If it's been established that these were not Canadian copies is it possible they were printed domestically for sale in some other English-speaking country or an American territory? By the way, nice copy of FC4, Montezuma-- it sure doesn't look low grade in the photo. As a collector of the Marvel price variants and knowing of many other issues since discovered, that is exactly what many publishers did. It might have been just a single market. As hard as it might be to think Dell was using price variants, here's the proof. Turns out they were almost 20 years ahead of Marvel in trying to raise comic book prices. http://dellcomicfan.blogspot.com/2011/10/are-there-any-dell-variants-103.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Knocked out to receive this beauty from a boardie. Hard to believe that there are zero copies on the census. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Picked up this one a little while ago. Not a huge Paul Murry fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4GEMWORKS Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Knocked out to receive this beauty from a boardie. Hard to believe that there are zero copies on the census. Not sure what you estimate the grade at. I have a 7.0 that I never submitted. The value on the book itself was not all that high. This one looks pretty good though. I got a Porky Pig on the board a few years. It came back 9.6 after pressing. It was unbelievable. Two nice books you got, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...