Detroit MIke Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I'll probably be back posting photos sometime this weekend (possibly late Sunday). Lots of comics, pulps, and maybe a couple of rare Jerry Siegel items. Such as one of those pesky releases he signed, much to his regret. I was happy to read, in Men of Tomorrow, that Bob Kane implied he was underage when he signed his original Batman contract. This gave him leverage regarding ownership. I wish Siegel and Shuster had learned a few tricks from Kane. Just thinking out loud while I anxiously wait for the next round of pix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Knight Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I'll probably be back posting photos sometime this weekend (possibly late Sunday). Lots of comics, pulps, and maybe a couple of rare Jerry Siegel items. Such as one of those pesky releases he signed, much to his regret. Tec 27? Yea i'm keeping my toes and fingers crossed as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLBcomics-migration Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I was happy to read, in Men of Tomorrow, that Bob Kane implied he was underage when he signed his original Batman contract. This gave him leverage regarding ownership. I wish Siegel and Shuster had learned a few tricks from Kane. Just thinking out loud while I anxiously wait for the next round of pix. I would not put very much stock in most anything Bob Kane wrote regarding Batman. He was also very quick to state he drew all that stuff as well. His father compiled that original contract in 1939 - leaving out Bill Finger, whom Kane never shared the proceeds with, only acknowledging Finger's close up & personal involvement with Batman's character origins when Kane was close to death's door and some 25 years after Finger died, broke & somewhat bitter. Regarding Siegel & Shuster, even though they did sign away rights to something that had been trying unsuccessfully to get published for some 5 long years, once the Batman contract was evolved at National Periodicals, Irwin Donenfeld went to great lengths to convince me that S&S were well taken care of from 1939 thru 1948, when the 10 year contract was up That if S&S had never sued to get 100% control, they would have had the same Bob Kane deal of a percentage of the profits for life As it was, National paid S&S some half a million dollars each during that 10 years Plus S&S got all the money from McClure Syndicate for the Superman newspaper strip - National got zero from McClure Plus S&S got all the dough from the Fleischer cartoons It wasn't S&S who ponied up the front money to get those first Action Comics published before any one knew why the book was selling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innocuous Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 So they made millions instead of billions? Still feels like the creative small guys got the short end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.schomburg Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I was happy to read, in Men of Tomorrow, that Bob Kane implied he was underage when he signed his original Batman contract. This gave him leverage regarding ownership. I wish Siegel and Shuster had learned a few tricks from Kane. Just thinking out loud while I anxiously wait for the next round of pix. I would not put very much stock in most anything Bob Kane wrote regarding Batman. He was also very quick to state he drew all that stuff as well. His father compiled that original contract in 1939 - leaving out Bill Finger, whom Kane never shared the proceeds with, only acknowledging Finger's close up & personal involvement with Batman's character origins when Kane was close to death's door and some 25 years after Finger died, broke & somewhat bitter. Regarding Siegel & Shuster, even though they did sign away rights to something that had been trying unsuccessfully to get published for some 5 long years, once the Batman contract was evolved at National Periodicals, Irwin Donenfeld went to great lengths to convince me that S&S were well taken care of from 1939 thru 1948, when the 10 year contract was up That if S&S had never sued to get 100% control, they would have had the same Bob Kane deal of a percentage of the profits for life As it was, National paid S&S some half a million dollars each during that 10 years Plus S&S got all the money from McClure Syndicate for the Superman newspaper strip - National got zero from McClure Plus S&S got all the dough from the Fleischer cartoons It wasn't S&S who ponied up the front money to get those first Action Comics published before any one knew why the book was selling From everything I've read, and heard over the years it seems quite evident that Finger, got exactly that, "THE FINGER" considering he co-created one of the most marketed and well liked super heroes ever. Its a shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I was happy to read, in Men of Tomorrow, that Bob Kane implied he was underage when he signed his original Batman contract. This gave him leverage regarding ownership. I wish Siegel and Shuster had learned a few tricks from Kane. Just thinking out loud while I anxiously wait for the next round of pix. I would not put very much stock in most anything Bob Kane wrote regarding Batman. He was also very quick to state he drew all that stuff as well. His father compiled that original contract in 1939 - leaving out Bill Finger, whom Kane never shared the proceeds with, only acknowledging Finger's close up & personal involvement with Batman's character origins when Kane was close to death's door and some 25 years after Finger died, broke & somewhat bitter. Regarding Siegel & Shuster, even though they did sign away rights to something that had been trying unsuccessfully to get published for some 5 long years, once the Batman contract was evolved at National Periodicals, Irwin Donenfeld went to great lengths to convince me that S&S were well taken care of from 1939 thru 1948, when the 10 year contract was up That if S&S had never sued to get 100% control, they would have had the same Bob Kane deal of a percentage of the profits for life As it was, National paid S&S some half a million dollars each during that 10 years Plus S&S got all the money from McClure Syndicate for the Superman newspaper strip - National got zero from McClure Plus S&S got all the dough from the Fleischer cartoons It wasn't S&S who ponied up the front money to get those first Action Comics published before any one knew why the book was selling From everything I've read, and heard over the years it seems quite evident that Finger, got exactly that, "THE FINGER" considering he co-created one of the most marketed and well liked super heroes ever. Its a shame! That's one perspective. The other is no one held a gun to his head and made him do what he did. Also, from what I know, talking to someone who was there at the time, Finger was paid a lot of money by Kane. If he died broke, he had only himself to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 thats a little harsh, doncha think? And Finger may have even agreed with you. We all have to sleep in the bed we have made... but he deserved more. Lots of people go thru life hoping and expecting they will be treated fairly. And arent. But I think they often find comfort in knowing they werent the ahole doing the screwwing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLBcomics-migration Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 So they made millions instead of billions? Still feels like the creative small guys got the short end. the only one coming out of DC who won big in the end was the one who lived to be 100 years old: Jack Liebowitz every one else got screwed, ultimately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 thats a little harsh, doncha think? And Finger may have even agreed with you. We all have to sleep in the bed we have made... but he deserved more. Lots of people go thru life hoping and expecting they will be treated fairly. And arent. But I think they often find comfort in knowing they werent the ahole doing the screwwing.. Not really. If I paid you the 1930's equivalent of a six figure salary for a number of years and you died broke, how is that my fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.schomburg Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I was happy to read, in Men of Tomorrow, that Bob Kane implied he was underage when he signed his original Batman contract. This gave him leverage regarding ownership. I wish Siegel and Shuster had learned a few tricks from Kane. Just thinking out loud while I anxiously wait for the next round of pix. I would not put very much stock in most anything Bob Kane wrote regarding Batman. He was also very quick to state he drew all that stuff as well. His father compiled that original contract in 1939 - leaving out Bill Finger, whom Kane never shared the proceeds with, only acknowledging Finger's close up & personal involvement with Batman's character origins when Kane was close to death's door and some 25 years after Finger died, broke & somewhat bitter. Regarding Siegel & Shuster, even though they did sign away rights to something that had been trying unsuccessfully to get published for some 5 long years, once the Batman contract was evolved at National Periodicals, Irwin Donenfeld went to great lengths to convince me that S&S were well taken care of from 1939 thru 1948, when the 10 year contract was up That if S&S had never sued to get 100% control, they would have had the same Bob Kane deal of a percentage of the profits for life As it was, National paid S&S some half a million dollars each during that 10 years Plus S&S got all the money from McClure Syndicate for the Superman newspaper strip - National got zero from McClure Plus S&S got all the dough from the Fleischer cartoons It wasn't S&S who ponied up the front money to get those first Action Comics published before any one knew why the book was selling From everything I've read, and heard over the years it seems quite evident that Finger, got exactly that, "THE FINGER" considering he co-created one of the most marketed and well liked super heroes ever. Its a shame! That's one perspective. The other is no one held a gun to his head and made him do what he did. Also, from what I know, talking to someone who was there at the time, Finger was paid a lot of money by Kane. If he died broke, he had only himself to blame. No one really knows exactly how he was treated..Good or Bad...but the time dictated a broad based unequality between creators and publishers. Some faired well, and others didn't. I don't have enough details or facts to argue one way or the other at least intelligently, but the figurtive Gun to the Head was in many times relevant during the 30's as we were not completely out of the depression. Do to that I believe many didn't take a risk or rock the boat in fears of having no income and forcing themselves and families into the street. He may have been paid very well for the time period, but just a few years later the income levels skyrocketed and I would imagine the depression dollar didn't go as far. Of course he might have made enough to last a life time and blew it all. Anyway, its all just speculation as we/I was not there and can't possibly know the actuall details of the transactions. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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comicdonna Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 He's probably scanning books as we speak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted April 7, 2007 Author Share Posted April 7, 2007 He's probably scanning books as we speak! Funny you should say that... Coming up later tonight are a few covers in the spirit of Easter. Easter with Mother Goose Fairy Tale Parade Kewpies and...any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 He's probably scanning books as we speak! Funny you should say that... Coming up later tonight are a few covers in the spirit of Easter. Easter with Mother Goose Fairy Tale Parade Kewpies and...any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullseye Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 Early Bugs Bunny Appearances? not sure if it would be GA or not, as I am not too familiar with WB or whatever company owned it back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 [quote Coming up later tonight are a few covers in the spirit of Easter. [...] and...any suggestions? Walt Disney's Comics and Stories 32 perhaps? Anyway, looking forward to whatever you decide to post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciorac Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 He's probably scanning books as we speak! Funny you should say that... Coming up later tonight are a few covers in the spirit of Easter. Easter with Mother Goose Fairy Tale Parade Kewpies and...any suggestions? Tec 27 came out around Easter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangZoom Posted April 8, 2007 Author Share Posted April 8, 2007 Hope you enjoy the following group of comics. It's a departure from the usual super hero fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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