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akaSteveRogers

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I got a iron man 118 "first appearance of Jim Rhodes"

 

Why doesn't it say it on the description? I can understand if it wasn't a major character but Rhodes has been a major supporting character in the Iron man universe.

 

I'm sure there are other books with issues like this? confused.gif

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sterlingcomics

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I personally think that for the money of certification, you should at least get something on either side of the title for a description...I have many books that simply have NOTHING for a description, no cover or internal credits. Granted, these aren't exactly anything remotely resembling popular or key issues...just a point.

 

BTW, you could send the book to get re-holdered for free (since its their mistake) and ask them to place this information on the label (as this is definitely relevant).

 

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Sal

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I got a iron man 118 "first appearance of Jim Rhodes"

 

Why doesn't it say it on the description? I can understand if it wasn't a major character but Rhodes has been a major supporting character in the Iron man universe.

 

I'm sure there are other books with issues like this? confused.gif

 

this is one of the things that irritates me no end about CGC. why not put all the pertinent creator information on the left, and stuff like this on the right? you get some slabs that will indicate, oh i dunno, "Watcher appearance" or something equally ridiculous...

 

i'm betting it's a QC problem in your case, and would call down to Sarasota to see if they will reholder it free, minus shipping of course

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Wouldn't it be the responsibility of the customer to provide description info to CGC? Some people may purposely not provide the info because they like "clean" slabs... confused-smiley-013.gif

 

I'm not sure CGC is at fault here...

 

Jim

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sterlingcomics

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Wouldn't it be the responsibility of the customer to provide description info to CGC?

 

No.

 

I believe that it is CGC's responsibility (as part of its service) to accurately describe the book and provide basic information on the label. They are comic experts...and they have different people who are specialists that assist with this.

 

In the past, when they have omitted information I thought was relevant (or was flat out incorrect) CGC has always fixed this free of charge. confused-smiley-013.gif Bottom line for me is that they take care of these types of problems within reason. I've never heard of CGC requiring customers to provide information about the book during submission...

 

Has anyone provided information about the book to CGC so they can provide it on the label? Now I'm getting curious. I know I've never done this.

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I believe that it is CGC's responsibility (as part of its service) to accurately describe the book and provide basic information on the label. They are comic experts...and they have different people who are specialists that can assist with this.

 

They are supposed comic "grading" experts...not historians...

 

In the past, when they have omitted information I think is relevant (or was flat out incorrect) CGC has always fixed this free of charge. confused-smiley-013.gif I've never heard of CGC requiring customers to provide information about the book during submission...

 

Sure they do...that was exactly the argument for the Northland pedigree description being removed from the Hulk Annual #1 that Matt Nelson resubmitted. He "forgot" to put that info in the description.

 

It's my understanding that unless you tell them, you have no assurance that the info will make it on the slab.

 

Has anyone provided information about the book to CGC so they can provide it on the label? Now I'm getting curious. I know I've never done this.

 

Unless I missed something along the way, the answer is going to be "yes"...

 

Jim

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In the past, when they have omitted information I think is relevant (or was flat out incorrect) CGC has always fixed this free of charge. confused-smiley-013.gif I've never heard of CGC requiring customers to provide information about the book during submission...

 

Sure they do...that was exactly the argument for the Northland pedigree description being removed from the Hulk Annual #1 that Matt Nelson resubmitted. He "forgot" to put that info in the description.

 

It's my understanding that unless you tell them, you have no assurance that the info will make it on the slab.

Pedigree description yes, but if you look at the submission form there is no slot to write in anything other than

 

Item - Quantity - Date - Publisher - Title - Issue number - Cert # - Ped/variant - FMV

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Wouldn't it be the responsibility of the customer to provide description info to CGC? Some people may purposely not provide the info because they like "clean" slabs... confused-smiley-013.gif

 

I'm not sure CGC is at fault here...

 

Jim

 

wftf? so if i put "1st appearance of Captain America" on a sub form in the imaginary slot where such information should go for a copy of Aquaman 41, they'll put it on the label?

 

or will they, the "non-historians" research the book?

 

i agree with you a lot of the time, Jim, but the idea that submitters are responsible for the information on the label outside of Pedigree or variant claims is just plain screwy.gif

 

 

i think this is either a QC issue, or the database entry for that particular label hasn't been updated yet. Occam's Razor

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Pedigree description yes, but if you look at the submission form there is no slot to write in anything other than

 

Item - Quantity - Date - Publisher - Title - Issue number - Cert # - Ped/variant - FMV

 

Exactly.

 

Jim...when have you submitted? Please show me these procedures on their web site. It's not there unless I'm missing something. Although they are not historians, they have the first due dilligence to note key events on the label. It's part of the service that is offered. It's not my job as a customer to put the damn information on the label. It's theirs.

 

And yes Sal, this is a QC issue, which is why they will address this.

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cd4ever

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I got a iron man 118 "first appearance of Jim Rhodes"

 

Why doesn't it say it on the description? I can understand if it wasn't a major character but Rhodes has been a major supporting character in the Iron man universe.

 

I'm sure there are other books with issues like this? confused.gif

 

Is it an old label or a new one? The older ones had very little in the way of appearances/descriptions.

 

New ones have quite a bit more.

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If I am spending money for the service, I would expect CGC to at least research to some degree the comic book that I am sending in!! I have countless books with wrong descriptions or even no description at all. I know CGC can't get everything but at least show that an effort is being made!!

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akaSteveRogers

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I have to agree with Sterling here... You pay good money to get these things slabbed. Maybe this is my opinion but I think that the pertinent info about the book is an important part of the "slabbed comic." Especially for people that aren't aware of first appearance of a major character.

 

Hey, I'm new to the whole CGC, slabbed comic, pedigree game...but I can understand when the issue was first slabbed that maybe a minor character first appearance was omitted. (You'd probably run out of space...)

 

"first appeance of Uncle Ben's brothers, Edgar and Ulysses."

"first appearance of Mary Jane's Brother, Jake Watson."

 

And sometimes, there might be a case where a Jake Watson or Edgar Parker might be major character later on that no one is aware of at the time of CGCing a book.

 

That's understandable.

 

BUT

 

This is Jim Rhodes. He was freaking Iron Man for years!!! He's War Machine!! : )

 

How is this omitted?

 

Oh and its a modern slab... not that older version buy the way. And despite that...it's still Jim Rhodes.

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IMO

 

I have always disagreed with this procedure of CGC putting descriptions like this. They are supposed to be an impartial grading service and yet they put a description on the label, which may be suggested that it be a key issue. The label should not have a description on it other than the writers/artists on it.

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akaSteveRogers

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DLok...

 

Hey, I would go along with you on this one if CGC never put appearance, origin info on their slabs from the git-go. But unfortunately when you do it for some and not others...thats where the problem lies.

 

On my issue it says Nick Fury appearance. WTF? You can put Nick Fury's appeance but not put that its Jim Rhodes 1st app?

 

Where's Al Sharpton when I need him...??!

 

: )

 

Just kidding.

 

Things have really changed. When I would use to collect when I was a kid, I'd take $.15 buy a bag and board and store a book if it was a #1, had a cool new villian or hero, or had a good fight in there.

 

Now I'm gotta read up on this whole "pedigree thing." >:/

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I would imagine that the text for labels is on a database so that the labels for every copy of a certain book would remain consistent. Given this, (and hundreds of thousands of comics), perhaps a suggestion to CGC to add a description would be welcomed?

 

Dennis

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awe4one

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Wouldn't it be the responsibility of the customer to provide description info to CGC? Some people may purposely not provide the info because they like "clean" slabs... confused-smiley-013.gif

 

I'm not sure CGC is at fault here...

 

Jim

 

wftf? so if i put "1st appearance of Captain America" on a sub form in the imaginary slot where such information should go for a copy of Aquaman 41, they'll put it on the label?

 

or will they, the "non-historians" research the book?

 

i agree with you a lot of the time, Jim, but the idea that submitters are responsible for the information on the label outside of Pedigree or variant claims is just plain screwy.gif

 

 

i think this is either a QC issue, or the database entry for that particular label hasn't been updated yet. Occam's Razor

 

You have to back up the info. Some are no brainers, Hulk #181, IF #14, etc., whereas others are not so clear and need some proof. I don't expect CGC to provide the proof, I'd expect the person making the claim to do so...

 

And really, where does it all stop? Do you expect CGC to note the 1st App of Korvac? Reavers? Cap Marvel V2? Or the 1st writing credit of Vaughn? Friedrich? Lobdell? Or 1st comic art by Davis? Graham? Russell? It's a never ending story and you can't expect CGC to please everyone in this regard. But I bet if you provided proof of Alan Davis' first comic work and noted it on the submission form, CGC would put it on the label...

 

Jim

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maybe you should put this in the liason thread so the boys can discuss it with steve at the next conference call and immediately report back yeahok.gif

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