spookley Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thanks Big Daddy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spookley Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Boy, that really surprises me that it had to be "rescued" by Halperin/Heritage, because the winning bid in the Heritage auction didn't seem out of whack with market expectations, either too low or too high. It really surprises me that no "real" bidder was willing to shell out $35K for the book, even knowing that the 9.6 copy was going to be coming up on Pedigree. I do agree that the bottom corners, particularly the right corner, are soft. I haven't seen this book in person, but I can confirm that the Toths are very nice books. This certainly changes my view on the value of the 9.0 I agree with Tim...can't believe no one would pay $35K for a CGC 9.4 JLA #1.... JLA #1 CGC 9.0 is already at $11K.... If a CGC 9.4 can only get $30K...then how much is a 9.2 and 9.0 worth?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john72tex Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 I put a thrill bid on the #1 9.0 as I knew $500 wouldn't last long and couldn't afford a five figure comic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepcat Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) I'm still trying to find a copy of #47 that's up to my quality standards. One of the problems is that with the checkerboard graphic that DC used at the time at the top of the book, any type of yellowing/toning makes the book look "old". I'm also looking to upgrade my copy of #77. My present one isn't white enough. Edited January 9, 2009 by Hepcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john72tex Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 What are your quality standards Hepcat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepcat Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 (edited) I suppose they may be roughly equivalent to CGC's 8.5 - but my grading aesthetics differ from theirs: 1. I penalize for miscutting on the left edge. I don't like to see a white border on the edge, particularly if this border is at all toned. That just makes a book look old to me. 2. I'm pretty tough on yellowing. I do like my whites bright. 2. I'm generally quite tough on staple and spine wear. 3. I don't penalize as much for other little nicks in other areas of the book as does CGC. I'm more of an overall "eye appeal" type of fellow while CGC seems to "count" defects/blemishes and deduct points according to a preset schedule. Edited January 9, 2009 by Hepcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepcat Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 From an issue of Wonder Woman with Wonder Girl. I bent the spine to get u this pic: Oh, say it ain't so Aardvark! That would be an issue from 1960! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I always remember the BB28 ad as being the JUST IMAGINE ad.... or was that JLA#1 house ad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Boy, that really surprises me that it had to be "rescued" by Halperin/Heritage, because the winning bid in the Heritage auction didn't seem out of whack with market expectations, either too low or too high. It really surprises me that no "real" bidder was willing to shell out $35K for the book, even knowing that the 9.6 copy was going to be coming up on Pedigree. I do agree that the bottom corners, particularly the right corner, are soft. I haven't seen this book in person, but I can confirm that the Toths are very nice books. This certainly changes my view on the value of the 9.0 I agree with Tim...can't believe no one would pay $35K for a CGC 9.4 JLA #1.... JLA #1 CGC 9.0 is already at $11K.... If a CGC 9.4 can only get $30K...then how much is a 9.2 and 9.0 worth?? The thing is that $35K for a 9.4 #1 really isn`t all that much. Consider that my 9.2 copy sold on Heritage for over $27K back in 2004. Granted my 9.2 copy was sweet (so sweet it became a 9.4 later), and granted that the Toth 9.4 copy had the soft corners, particularly the little crease in the LRC, but still, a 9.4 copy in 2008 is worth only a 30% premium over a 9.2 copy`s 2004 price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleekerBob Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Boy, that really surprises me that it had to be "rescued" by Halperin/Heritage, because the winning bid in the Heritage auction didn't seem out of whack with market expectations, either too low or too high. It really surprises me that no "real" bidder was willing to shell out $35K for the book, even knowing that the 9.6 copy was going to be coming up on Pedigree. I do agree that the bottom corners, particularly the right corner, are soft. I haven't seen this book in person, but I can confirm that the Toths are very nice books. This certainly changes my view on the value of the 9.0 I agree with Tim...can't believe no one would pay $35K for a CGC 9.4 JLA #1.... JLA #1 CGC 9.0 is already at $11K.... If a CGC 9.4 can only get $30K...then how much is a 9.2 and 9.0 worth?? The thing is that $35K for a 9.4 #1 really isn`t all that much. Consider that my 9.2 copy sold on Heritage for over $27K back in 2004. Granted my 9.2 copy was sweet (so sweet it became a 9.4 later), and granted that the Toth 9.4 copy had the soft corners, particularly the little crease in the LRC, but still, a 9.4 copy in 2008 is worth only a 30% premium over a 9.2 copy`s 2004 price? It looks more like a 9.2 then a 9.4 so there was no ability to press it and get an upgrade. Tim your 9.2 did well for that exact reason there was upgrade potential and looked like a strong 9.2 vs a very weak 9.4. Just one man's opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Good point, Emilio, but still, I thought no one looked at the books anymore. They just buy the labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Boy, that really surprises me that it had to be "rescued" by Halperin/Heritage, because the winning bid in the Heritage auction didn't seem out of whack with market expectations, either too low or too high. It really surprises me that no "real" bidder was willing to shell out $35K for the book, even knowing that the 9.6 copy was going to be coming up on Pedigree. I do agree that the bottom corners, particularly the right corner, are soft. I haven't seen this book in person, but I can confirm that the Toths are very nice books. This certainly changes my view on the value of the 9.0 I agree with Tim...can't believe no one would pay $35K for a CGC 9.4 JLA #1.... JLA #1 CGC 9.0 is already at $11K.... If a CGC 9.4 can only get $30K...then how much is a 9.2 and 9.0 worth?? The thing is that $35K for a 9.4 #1 really isn`t all that much. Consider that my 9.2 copy sold on Heritage for over $27K back in 2004. Granted my 9.2 copy was sweet (so sweet it became a 9.4 later), and granted that the Toth 9.4 copy had the soft corners, particularly the little crease in the LRC, but still, a 9.4 copy in 2008 is worth only a 30% premium over a 9.2 copy`s 2004 price? The economy is taking it's toll on the comics market! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleekerBob Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) I think a big part of the market now is finding books that can be pressed and upgraded. Pressing seems to have taken off. I keep hearing about more and more people who are doing it with success. Edited January 10, 2009 by BleekerBob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman619 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Well, the good news is that given the compression between JLA 1 9.2 and 9.4 prices, no one`s going to bid up and press a 9.2 copy any time soon in hopes of getting a 9.4. A 30% max profit (even before taking selling fees, slabbing fees, pressing fees) just doesn`t justify the risk or effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepcat Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Good point, Emilio, but still, I thought no one looked at the books anymore. They just buy the labels. Collectors buy the books. They may also break the book out from the case in which it's entombed. Investor/speculators just buy the label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MstrTech Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 First and foremost I would like to say hello to all of you. I’ve been an active watcher of these boards for about a year now and have come to know and respect many of you. Your posts are a welcome diversion from my work grind as I check them often. The reason for my posting now is I wanted to clear the air a little on the recent JLA 1 that was up on E-bay. I would like to assure all of you that there was no restoration done to this book or any of the other Toth books (some books were pressed). Matt Nelson did all pressing and currently has some more of the books. I believe the LLC has something to due with how the picture was taken you can see it in both the E-Bay & CGC Gallery picture but is minor in Heritage one. LRC may have been creased after it was encapsulated, as it is not in the Heritage scan. I don’t mean to rant and am not trying to be rude. I hope to talk with many of you in the future. Just wanted to give you guys some background info. Thanks again to all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 First and foremost I would like to say hello to all of you. I’ve been an active watcher of these boards for about a year now and have come to know and respect many of you. Your posts are a welcome diversion from my work grind as I check them often. The reason for my posting now is I wanted to clear the air a little on the recent JLA 1 that was up on E-bay. I would like to assure all of you that there was no restoration done to this book or any of the other Toth books (some books were pressed). Matt Nelson did all pressing and currently has some more of the books. Welcome to the boards. It would help if you could tell us more about yourself so we could understand where you're getting your information from. I could make a comment that saying no restoration was done but the books were pressed is a contradiction in terms, but will resist. Although I am depressed to hear that Matt is working his "magic" yet again on books that managed to sit very nicely in Mr. Toth's collection for decades without needing any artificial assistance. I believe the LLC has something to due with how the picture was taken you can see it in both the E-Bay & CGC Gallery picture but is minor in Heritage one. LRC may have been creased after it was encapsulated, as it is not in the Heritage scan. The LLC looks worse in the Heritage scan, and the same LRC crease is there in the Heritage scan. I remember commenting on it when it was first up for auction on Heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 First and foremost I would like to say hello to all of you. I’ve been an active watcher of these boards for about a year now and have come to know and respect many of you. Your posts are a welcome diversion from my work grind as I check them often. The reason for my posting now is I wanted to clear the air a little on the recent JLA 1 that was up on E-bay. I would like to assure all of you that there was no restoration done to this book or any of the other Toth books (some books were pressed). Matt Nelson did all pressing and currently has some more of the books. Welcome to the boards. It would help if you could tell us more about yourself so we could understand where you're getting your information from. I could make a comment that saying no restoration was done but the books were pressed is a contradiction in terms, but will resist. Although I am depressed to hear that Matt is working his "magic" yet again on books that managed to sit very nicely in Mr. Toth's collection for decades without needing any artificial assistance. I believe the LLC has something to due with how the picture was taken you can see it in both the E-Bay & CGC Gallery picture but is minor in Heritage one. LRC may have been creased after it was encapsulated, as it is not in the Heritage scan. The LLC looks worse in the Heritage scan, and the same LRC crease is there in the Heritage scan. I remember commenting on it when it was first up for auction on Heritage. His sig line say "David N Toth" so I assume we are welcome Mr Toth to the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brasseye Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 First and foremost I would like to say hello to all of you. I’ve been an active watcher of these boards for about a year now and have come to know and respect many of you. Your posts are a welcome diversion from my work grind as I check them often. The reason for my posting now is I wanted to clear the air a little on the recent JLA 1 that was up on E-bay. I would like to assure all of you that there was no restoration done to this book or any of the other Toth books (some books were pressed). Matt Nelson did all pressing and currently has some more of the books. Welcome to the boards. It would help if you could tell us more about yourself so we could understand where you're getting your information from. I could make a comment that saying no restoration was done but the books were pressed is a contradiction in terms, but will resist. Although I am depressed to hear that Matt is working his "magic" yet again on books that managed to sit very nicely in Mr. Toth's collection for decades without needing any artificial assistance. I believe the LLC has something to due with how the picture was taken you can see it in both the E-Bay & CGC Gallery picture but is minor in Heritage one. LRC may have been creased after it was encapsulated, as it is not in the Heritage scan. The LLC looks worse in the Heritage scan, and the same LRC crease is there in the Heritage scan. I remember commenting on it when it was first up for auction on Heritage. His sig line say "David N Toth" so I assume we are welcome Mr Toth to the boards. I thought the collection was intestate But welcome to the boards if your still alive, and kicking (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
