MR.COMICBOOK

So I take it Action 1 or Detective 27 were the hardest to acquire?

congrats

My faves are probably Karloff and Turok, but they’re all fun reads. If you’re the type of person who thinks SA Marvels are unreadable and prefer Moderns, you may find them a bit creaky.

 

Thanks for the suggestions, everyone.

 

The truth is, the older I get the more tedious Moderns become with their grittiness, faux-realism and slavish devotion to continuity.

 

I want to escape with my comics!

 

Enough with the thinly-veiled parables to our modern, gritty, faux-realistic problems and their slavish devotion to continuity!

 

I jest. Some moderns are OK.

 

I so agree with you and I am sick of comics being third rate versions influenced by Dark Knight and Watchmen.Those were great series in the 1980`s but do all comic books have to be in that style? doom n gloom or dark n gritty?

2002

FlyingDonut, gman, ArAich, greggy, mr_highgrade

 

2003

Scrooge

 

2004

xsmanx, JordanScott, Stronguy, namisgr

 

2005

kingofrulers, Crows

 

2006

joeypost, nepatkm, lookwhoitis

 

2007

BlowUpTheMoon, MacMan, Count, blue808, Mr. Diggler, trmoore54,MR.COMICBOOK

 

2008

Comicopolis, Boozad, Nmtg9

 

2009

slym2none, ashsaytr

late 2007

oops, I hate typing on my iphone while driving...

 

 

Per Guillory's website:

But, don't panic. On August 5, the first 3 issues of CHEW will be in stores. This is a PERFECT opportunity for new readers to jump on, and for others to catch up. So again, on that date, we'll be releasing:

 

CHEW #1 Third Printing

CHEW #2 Second Printing

CHEW #3 First Printing

I will wait for the trade paperback.

Remember that one guy on here who swore that GI Joe 21 was THE only copper age book worth owning. And stressed how difficult it is to get a 9.8?

I would say GI JOE #1 will eventually catch #21, I always thought the first appearance of Snake-Eyes was more important than Storm Shadow`s first appearance.I guess the majority of people think Storm Shadow is cooler than Snake-Eyes, don`t get me wrong I like Storm Shadow but I think Snake-Eyes is cooler.

Any thoughts on why #21 is hotter than #1?

(as an aside, I also think that Dark Phoenix is wildly overrated...while a stellar run THEMATICALLY, and well plotted [Claremont's strength to that point] there are moments of sheer groan inducing dialogue worthy of the absolute worst Telenovellas.

I totally agree with this. Actually, my views on the Dark Phoenix (and Claremont's run in general) have hurt my popularity many times.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like it in a "superheroes meet teen drama meet daily soap opera" way, and I think there are some pretty interesting characters in there, but from a purely technical standpoint, the writing leaves a lot to be desired...

 

And as far as Miller's writing, I don't think we really disagree there. I just wanted to point out (emphasize, if you will) his achievements (and influence) in the storytelling/visual narrative department. (thumbs u

Re-reading the Claremont X-men essentials are brutal and I mean brutal. I am now glad that I am not the only one who thinks that, I loved the Uncanny X-men stuff when I young but trying to re-read it now is a chore.Byrne,Cockrum and Smith had a lot to do with his success.

Um.

 

How can Frank Miller have opened the doors for Alan Moore, when Alan Moore was writing comics long before Frank Miller? Sure, Moore's first US comic came out in late 1983, while Miller's first written book came out in late 1980, but Miller worked for Marvel, Moore for DC, and Miller's writing wasn't recognized as anything amazing (aside from killing off Elektra) until at the earliest, Ronin (1983) and at latest, Dark Knight Returns (1986...to which I am leaning.)

 

As well, DD remained bi-monthly for several months after Miller took over. What was particularly "new style" about DD #168-191? It's typical superhero fare, with the introduction of Ninja as major story element.

 

And Moore coming to DC was almost exclusively the result of efforts by editors Karen Berger and Len Wein.

 

I really don't think Miller influenced Moore or his career in any possible way.

because Frank Miller wrote a new kind of mainstream comic in the USA that was unheard of, people would actually buy it as stuff like Starlin`s Warlock/Steranko`s Shield were cancelled in the past due to low sales.This showed editor of DC Giordano that a new breed of reader would not only read Alan Moore`s stuff but buy it as well.

btw re-read those Frank Miller DD`S,I bet you will be surprised at how good they hold up. also I am both a big Alan Moore/Frank Miller fan.

Let`s not forget this book. Daredevil #158, Frank Miller opened the door for Alan Moore with his writing, Frank Miller took comics to a different level.

 

you really think so? My take has always been that Alan Moore came to his own writing style and approach on his own, 3000 miles removed from our American comics, reading them from afar, absorbing their motifs and genres and creating his personal take on the absurdities and strengths and weeknesses of the medium on his own. Im not even sure he was reading Millers DD as his stories early on all played off the Silver Age DC motifs. And if he was up to date on 80s comics, his voice was well established long before than.

 

This is my opinion. If Moore has at some point given kudos to Miller over the years, ooops.

I didn't even catch MR.C was implying Moore learned from Miller. No way!

 

Moore is a force of creativity all by himself.

exactly Moore is a force on his own, my point was Frank Miller opened the doors for a new style of writing!

Since the Copper Age is guesstimated to have been between 1984-1992, then New Teen Titans 1 and DC Comics Presents 26 wouldn't fit the bill as they were both published in 1980.

 

Saga of the Swamp Thing 21 was published February 1984, and it did have a fairly quick impact on the market. Saga of the Swamp Thing 20, as someone already noted, was just closing out someone else's story, while 21 kicked off a whole new origin and take on a character that had languished for a long time.

 

And, it has been noted by many in the industry that Alan Moore's success laid the groundwork for DC Comics to open up to writers such as Neil Gaiman and Grant Morrison to reinvent oddball characters like Sandman, The Doom Patrol, and Animal Man.

 

Saga of the Swamp Thing 21 is a very strong candidate as THE book that kicked off the Copper Age due to its level of impact on the industry.

Let`s not forget this book. Daredevil #158, Frank Miller opened the door for Alan Moore with his writing, Frank Miller took comics to a different level.

Does it really matter in the end if swampy #20 is 1/84 & Swampy #21 is 2/84 and TMNT is also 1984, it would seem the swampies beat it time wise, so it would be easy enough to call jan. 1984 the start of the copper age.

I would say the start of the copper age is GI JOE#1 in 1982.

brought many new non-comic collectors into the market.

issue 1 and 2 both went for over 20 dollars right off the bat.

 

 

my second choice would be NEW TEEN TITANS #1 as it made DC respectable again and thus opened the door for Swamp Thing #20/21, without NEW TEEN TITANS #1 success who is to say DC would have took a chance with Alan Moore?

 

Because Swamp Thing was a low selling title, already slated for cancellation.

 

There was no "chance" to take.

 

NTT #1 is Bronze Age. It came out a scant two months after X-Men #137.

 

GI Joes were not immediate hits, which is why the early issues were so very hard to find for quite some time. GI Joe started to pick up steam right after the TV series debuted in Sept 1983 as a 5 part mini, a year and a half after GI Joe #1 hit the stands in March of 1982.

maybe the bronze age ended with X-men #137(death of Phoenix) and copper age begins two months later with NEW TEEN TITANS #1 ?

Does it really matter in the end if swampy #20 is 1/84 & Swampy #21 is 2/84 and TMNT is also 1984, it would seem the swampies beat it time wise, so it would be easy enough to call jan. 1984 the start of the copper age.

I would say the start of the copper age is GI JOE#1 in 1982.

brought many new non-comic collectors into the market.

issue 1 and 2 both went for over 20 dollars right off the bat.

my second choice would be NEW TEEN TITANS #1 as it made DC respectable again and thus opened the door for Swamp Thing #20/21, without NEW TEEN TITANS #1 success who is to say DC would have took a chance with Alan Moore?

Didn't know about Kid Colt 100. It was already on the want list, but now It gets a star!

It`s on my list now, what a great cover!

I always thought the reason I never saw them was that dealers didn't want to lug them around due to low demand. Now I'm not so sure that it isn't because they're all being kept in collections. I still need a bunch of Rawhide Kids! I'll trade an FF 48 for a RK 17!

 

Honestly, you'd probably have a hard time finding someone to accept an FF 48 in Fine or below for a Rawhide Kid 17 in VG. Overstreet is way off on Rawhide Kid 17.

So it`s Rawhide Kid #17,Two-Gun Kid #60 that are the keys,so what is the sought after Kid Colt?

The Phantom #1.

my favorite Phantom cover!

 

Congrats!

 

That is the Conan grail. One of these days I'll have one.

Great book, what is the market value of it and does CGC slab these?

People are just starting to figure out Larry Hama was the Stan Lee of his generation, no one has created as many characters in comics as Larry Hama has since 1982. GI JOE will do bigger box office then Watchmen. people forget that for a few years that GI JOE actually outsold X-men and Spider-man. This fan base is huge!

That really does suck! I met Bill at the NY Comic Con few months ago, and gave him $100 for a sketch that I have yet to receive. I know I haven't waited as long as you, but after reading about your ordeal, I'm gonna assume I'm getting screwed. It's shocking that these guys would take advantage of the fans the way they do. I've been a HUGE fan of Bill since I was a kid. (I'm 39 now!) So when he agreed do the drawing, all good sense went out the window. I would never have paid up front for anything! But I never thought he'd just take the money and run. Too bad. I know you said the email you had seems to have expired. Well, when I met him in NY, he gave me the following email and phone number. swedgin@mac.com 203-517-8330. As of about 5 weeks ago - the e-mail worked. He responded to me once, then never again. I'm thinking of filing a small claims suit if I don't get the drawing. It has nothing to do with the money anymore -- it's just not cool. And he should know better.

File the suit and you will be amazed at how fast people will contact you when they get a letter from the courthouse (thumbs u

the photo back cover is the "common" one... that was one of the errors I tried to point out to OSPG this year, but I guess it didn't get corrected...

 

in all my years, I have only seen, maybe 2 of the back cover variant that has ads on the inside back cover... and I have never seen the one with the photos on the inside as pictured above...

 

I have had maybe 100+ of the reg photo back (which is the common one, not rare as misnotated) and as mentioned, only had 2 of the non interior back photo variant (thumbs u

actually, I just called a buddy of mine that bought my personal set of 1-61...

he says there are only 2 versions, the one with the interior back cover photo (as pictured above) and the one that has the "ads" ...

 

apparently, GK produced a few covers with the photo's and then realized they should be selling that as ad space?

 

so, all GK ST 1 have the pin up photo on the outside back cover, and it is the "interior" photo on the back cover that is the "rare" variant...

 

hopefully Bob O will get this clarified for next year (maybe I need to be clearer)

So it took them about 40 years to figure it out? If it was a Marvel or DC this would have been clarified a long time ago. I guess no respect for Gold Key comics.

Sorry about your loss and my condolences.

Seriously if he wants his money back he should find his contact address, send a letter stating he has 30 days to comply with either sending the artwork or paying back the money, if not he then will start the court proceedings.If you do go this way make sure the letter you send him is Certified Mail with a tracking and signature that way you have a record and paper trail of your correspondence.

Good luck, 2007 is a long time to wait and I admire your patience.

First rule is never pay someone upfront to do a job, let them do the job first then pay them.

 

Art commissions generally don't work that way.

 

I was under the same impression. However, the previous poster thought otherwise......I guess he feels it is the same as getting your roof shingled by the folks in the gypsy caravans who follow hail damaging storms across the USA.

I am more a business man/ engineer than art major. I use logic not bs.You don`t do the work, you don`t get paid. Simple as that.

 

Happy to hear it.

I hope you either get your art work or your money back, keep us posted.

First rule is never pay someone upfront to do a job, let them do the job first then pay them.

 

Art commissions generally don't work that way.

 

I was under the same impression. However, the previous poster thought otherwise......I guess he feels it is the same as getting your roof shingled by the folks in the gypsy caravans who follow hail damaging storms across the USA.

 

I have commissioned well over 100 artists for everything from freebee head sketches and $10 con doodles to full on oil painted pieces costing thousands of dollars.

 

I can count on one hand the amount of times I have paid upfront 100% of the cash.

 

In each of the cases where I have paid 100% of the cash upfront it was with an artist that I had dealt with several times in the past and had more than the normal customer-client relationship. Where a trust is built I can see doing that. Otherwise there is no way I ever...EVER...E V E R do that.

 

I can see a 10-25% deposit until I see some preliminary work is completed or sketches are approved before the final piece, then I usually send something to get it up to 50% paid (depending on the amount of dollars we are talking about).

 

The final payment is not made until the art is done and I see a finished scan.

 

Artists may ASK that you pay upfont for a piece, but that doesn't mean you have to AGREE to do so. I am usually very upfont about my expectations and reluctance to take away all incentive for the artist to get a piece done on time. Almost everyone I have dealt with in that situation can see my perspective and agrees to a good faith deposit until the piece is completed.

 

If an artist insists on full 100% payment upfront I either politely decline to commission him/her or I request that the funds be held by their representative until the work is done and usually get some emails or documentation to set that in stone.

 

And it should be noted there are several artists who I have worked with who don't ask for a single penny until the piece is completed or until they work up several prelims for my approval. I won't name their names because I don't know if they do this for everyone or it was a special circumstance being that I am somewhat known for my commissions and they are very comfortable that I can be trusted not to leave them hanging given how long I have been doing this.

 

In any case. It is NOT the norm in the field to pay 100% upfront for commissioned artwork. Everyone sets their own rules, but demanding full payment upfront in anything other than a convention setting where the piece will be done that day is a major red flag for me and, without knowing the artist, a risk I will not take.

 

Hope this helps,

Chris

Good points, I am shocked that art commissions don`t have the same rules as the real world does.

Spider-man as of now but as I get older and more cynical Wolverine is closing in.

Don't forget X-men 162. While 133 and 141 were cornerstones to his coming ubber popularity, which culminated in the Miniseries, I think 162 was his first solo book. As I recall it was the first time he mentions his "Bezerker" animal part of him. To me this really made him stand out as an anti-hero and not the whiner he was under the Claremont era as well as other whining superhero's that seemed to define marvel during the 70's.

 

Spiderman: Whiner since day one.

Iron Man: I'm a drunk feel sorry for me.

FF: Woe is me, I'm trapped in a rock body.

Silver Surfer: Earth people just can't be nice to each other, boo hoo.

Captain America: America just isn't what it was during the war. (tears up)

Power-man: I'm Black and the man has kept me down long enough

She Hulk, Ms Marvel, Spiderwoman: Who says the weaker sex is subordinate, maybe if I beat up on enough men, I'll feel better about myself. Vote for the ERA!

Wanda: The world just doesn't understand, I'm in love with an android.

X-men: The world just doesn't understand, I'm a mutant and different from everyone else.

Hulk: Why won't puny humans just leave Hulk alone, boo hoo.

Black Bolt:

 

Wolverine: I'm the best there is at what I do, and what I do isn't pretty.

 

Question, when did this quote (or derivative) first appear?

(thumbs u

That`s why I enjoy Wolverine and Deadpool, two superheroes who don`t whine,if I had superpowers,I have fun with them,not woe is me.One reason why I got sick of most of the mutant books,always feeling sorry for themselves.