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Wow, it sounds as though you was one of the original founders for the San Francisco collection then. If this is indeed the case, then maybe you can answer a question which has arose many times on these boards here and one to which we have not received an answer for to this point in time: As far as you know, were there any Nedor books in the San Francisco collection as board members here have apparently never seen or heard of a Nedor SF book?

Didn't own either of the MH on those books. When I went to sell the Mask 1, I found it had a tiny amount of color touch. I thought the number 2 was on a VG at best. I remember seeing the Church copy of Mask #1 in a mahogany (or some kind of wooden) bookcase inside Geppi's library during the Diamond International Galleries grand opening back in '95. I clearly remember how absolutely gorgeous it was as it was prominently displayed and also sitting right next to the Church copy of Suspense Comics #8. Did you ever get a chance to handle the Church Suspense 8 as it looked like one of those perfect Mile High copies with bold bright colors from looking through the window display case?

Yes, it's definitely hard to put one over you when you always seem to be on top of your game.

You've definitely got good taste here. I really love the combination of the red, green, and blue colors on this cover here, and from my own personal point of view, a definitive Kamen bondage classic cover image.

Yes, I believe these might actually be the Poughkeepsie Office File Copies and not really part of any warehouse find per se? In other words, possibly single HG copies of these particular issues, as opposed to multiple copies of the same issue which would be the case with a true warehouse find?

Hey Ron.......Welcome to the Boards here. So, who's got all of the early supposedly rare HTF Ace and Nedors like Ace Comics 11 with the first Phantom or Startling 10 with the first appearance of the Fighting Yank? Or are the books you are talking about from the latter part of their publishing days, as opposed to the 30's and early 40's? Just wondering if the Ace and Nedors also went back to their early publishing time period, as I believe some of the Poughkeepsie's did go all the way back to the late 30's?

Both of those 9.6 results were just meh...They were below market. Why the hell don't these people (be it Heritage or the seller) auction these important books on a Sunday night as opposed to a freaking Thursday afternoon? What the hell was that ?!?! Well, I imagine that's because it's not a standalone auction for just one book only, since it's part of a much bigger auction that normally sells anywhere from $6M to $12M worth of items. All I can say is that if a non-high grade copy of Teen-Age Romance can fetch over $10K (or over 24X condition guide) in the same auction: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/teen-age-romances-9-st-john-1950-cgc-vf-75-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7189-91081.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515 then I don't see the Thursday afternoon as opposed to Sunday night timing being really that valid of an argument in the final price. I guess that gorgeous hunk of a guy on the cover of the Teen-Age Romance book must be more enticing than the figure of the Hulk on IH 181.

Hmmmm......looks like it's been a whole week already. Let's hope you get the money in the end.

Yes. The last few bids were non internet bids placed late as hell last night. It was sitting at 7200 forever! Yes, and it looks like both of the CGC 9.6 graded copies sold for over $10K in their Signature Auction the previous week. Looks like the lower profile one with White pages sold for $600 more than the higher profile that the OW/W copy that sold on Thursday. Where's jaydog when we need him to figure out this anomaly for us.

I assume he's talking about the one that sold yesterday and it does include the Heritage BP: https://comics.ha.com/itm/bronze-age-1970-1979-/the-incredible-hulk-181-marvel-1974-cgc-nm-94-white-pages/a/121832-12592.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Wow, you are right........I thought I remembered reading here that it was really tough to find uber HG copies of this particular book due to the all-white cover or something like that. Guess not as I just checked the CGC census and there's a whole ton of them in CGC 9.8 grade at well over a hundred copies.

Ah, the gem of the series. I have this in 9.8 W. Thanks for posting this. Well, as I am sure both of you must be well aware, they just recently sold a 9.8 signed White pager on Heritage for $9K: https://comics.ha.com/itm/silver-age-1956-1969-/the-silver-surfer-4-stan-lee-verified-signature-marvel-1969-cbcs-nm-mt-98-white-pages/a/7189-91158.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ArchiveSearchResults-012417&lotPosition=0|0

Well, that must be CGC label collectors for you then. I really should look to see if I had brought a second copy of this book by mistake. If not, I highly doubt my copy would be in 9.8 condition since I always stored these books in polybagged bricks of 5 and ASM 301 along with ASM 305 would be on the outside. Hence, the ASM 302 to 304 would have a much higher chance of being in higher grade condition.

They actually won the Will Eisner Spirit of Comics Retailer Award for 2003 as awarded by the SD Comic Con to the supposedly top comic book retailer in the world for that year.

Nothin’! Obviously not well known enough if you don't know that his actual name is Paste Pot Pete.

Gary has or had his Coronado home on the market for several years now...we looked at it 2 years ago but too rich for my blood Sounds as though he probably priced his home similar to how he priced his Mile High DC's back in the day..............always way ahead of the market and refusing to back down on the prices as the majority of them would sit for quite a few years.

And as Millie the Model and Tessie the Typist has shown us, it doesn't have to be a Marvel key or dare we say, even a Marvel super hero book to rake in the really big dollars: https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/millie-the-model-2-davis-crippen-d-copy-pedigree-atlas-marvel-1946-cgc-vf-80-off-white-pages/a/7177-93031.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 Hard to beat a Marvel book that can sell for over 50X condition guide.

I can't get behind this. The high grade copies are usually the first and most often to be submitted. And with well over 10,000 graded copies now, there's no reason to believe that however many copies are left out there, that the uber high grade ones (9.4-9.8) represent anything more (and more likely less) than what is reflected on the census. -J. I believe it really depends on the comic book you are talking about as you appear to be talking in more general terms while the original poster is talking about a specific book. Yes, for recent common books which are plentiful in all grades except for the uber HG's, collectors will only submit the HG copies since it's a money loser to submit anything that is not in high grade. Especially in the case of books that have no true underlying value of its own and the only real value comes solely from the fact that it has a 9.8 graded label attached to it. The original poster, on the other hand, is talking about a specific book (namely Hulk 181) which is definitely starting to take on the characteristics of a true vintage collectible comic book. By this, I mean that it not only has true value in all condition levels across the entire grading spectrum, but copies in some of the non-high grades more affordable condition levels are actually increasing at a faster rate than the uber HG copies. The value of these books are coming from the underlying book itself, as opposed to only that number in the top left hand corner and only if it's past a certain point. And in the original poster's case, if he does have say 5 copies of this truly vintage collectible book, it does make the most sense by starting off with selling the lowest graded copy and saving the highest graded copy for the end. Especially since books like this tends to go up in value over time as additional copies (in all grades) come into the market to not only reinforced, but also to push the value of all copies further up. This is completely different from say the hot MA variant books which tends to go down in value as more copies come to market. For these types of books, you definitely would send in your highest graded copy and sell them off first before the bubble bursts on them.

I don't either. Nowhere near. Is this because you two were the under bidders the last two times this book went into the 6-figures and both of you don't plan on bidding so high this time?

I’ll see it but I’m not expecting it to be good. I find Jason Mamoa unlikable as the character and I was disappointed with the look they went with. Maybe the origin story needed to come before that bad justice league movie for me to have a different opinion of him. I thought he looked made for the part except for the blonde hair where the advanced photo stills came out. Definitely not so much when it was live action during the JLA movie and he had to move around and talk at the same time.

Read the latest Scoop that came out just yesterday and noticed Vinnie's comment that "they had sold more copies of the world's most valuable comic than anybody, with the notable exception of National Periodical Publications (DC Comics)". Don't you just love their spin on their things.

Metropolis told me the Action 1 9.0 was over graded when I asked them their opinion of it at SDCC BEFORE hey bought it for a record price.. I believe Vincent was also quoted in the press talking it down before they boughtt it. Like many other dealers, they tend to change their opinions based on the situation - puffing up here, talking down there. Well, this only makes good business sense and is perfectly understandable to talk down the attributes (i.e. potential value) of a particular book if you are planning to bid on it. Especially if you think this tactic will help to discourage competing bidders from raising their bids too high and therefor, allowing you to scoop it up at a lower price.

I have the set and they are terrific. Here are the images, courtesy of Heritage Archives. I guess I really should have started this thread a few weeks earlier. If so, I would have been made aware of this absolutely gorgeous Frazetta portfolio on the Famous Funnies covers and picked it up at the just completed Hakes Auction: https://www.hakes.com/Auction/ItemDetail/223674/FRANK-FRAZETTA-BUCK-ROGERS-FAMOUS-FUNNIES-COVERS-PORTFOLIO-PRINT-SET Now, a winning bid of only $149 sounds like a steal compared to the almost $900 that a similar sounding condition set sold for in one of the Heritage auctions back in the summer of 2017. Love their pre-auction estimate of onlt $100 - $200 for the set, which is certainly not doing any favors for the consignor. Yes, if I had known about this lot, it definitely would have sold for more than the measly $149 that it managed to fetched in the end.

It's kind of sad to see the lack of interest in these early pre-hero DC books because these are the books that paved the way for what was to come. When I went from collecting comic books fresh off the newsstand and into vintage comic book collecting back in the latter part of the 80's, I skipped right past all of the Marvel SA books because they were just so common. Ended up making my first stop here in the pre-hero DC era of books before settling into the GA where I still am for the most part.

Yep, with these numbers it looks like the arrival of Todd kind of signaled the downward draft for the sales of the Spidey book.