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You can absolutely negotiate a price of CGC slab price at any show in the history of comic book conventions since 1999. I can't think of anytime I didn't actually. I didn't dodge anything you asked a question about the Teen Titans #44 from that video book and I answered. I don't know what to tell you anymore. Yes from what I posted that is probably your only recourse. I didnt make the rules I am just telling how it works, so if you dont like it you have the option someplace else, stop collecting, or just buy raw. BrashL say below: "Another small inference means it is very likely there are 1000's of swapped books from this one bad actor, and likely more than just this one individual pulling the scam. These books are most likely tainted forever and will remain in the population with the grade assigned unless they are cracked out. The likelihood of getting a refund as a buyer of these books from anyone is very low as they aren't on any list, we have no defined way of identifying them on sight, and the books have probably changed hands a number of times. " Where are the facts to back this up? It just the same hyperbolic speculation over and over again. It sounds like you will be sitting on the sidelines for many years with your current stance on everything so not sure why you bother to keep posting.

Just easier to quote you both. I mean until it is known whether the original submitter did in fact receive the same book then this all just speculation. The defects on the book would make it pretty clear as well. I think there is more information that needs to be known. Could you say maybe it was switched out by that employee? Maybe, I am sure CGC would look into since it the book was graded in 2022 while that employee was working for them. The real questions would be who ever submitted it raw. Did they get the same book back they originally submitted? Why did the original submitter sell it like that and not sent it back to CGC? How did the guy who sold it to Bryce not see it as well when he bought it? Because if they got the same book back that was originally submitted then it's could simply be a mis-grade (by mis-grade I mean the grader probably selected the wrong grade by accident on the computer screen). I assume that happens. Also bad on the original submitter if they did not send it back to CGC and sold it to Bryce's customer that for whatever reason also lacked the basic "buy the book not the grade" and to be honest blind as bat. Now the rebuttal is why didnt QC catch it, valid 110%. I think the problem now is everyone is quick to jump the gun without asking more questions. Over the years most seasoned people here have seen situations happen and it's more an oversight than criminal. Case in point me just last month. I submitted a Daredevil #168, it came back a CGC 9.6. I knew that was way too high, sure enough I got the book back and it was a VF+ book sitting in a 9.6 holder. I assumed it was a CGC grading mistake because I got back the SAME BOOK I submitted originally, and it was higher then what I graded it at. So I sent it back via ME, they re-graded it correctly and I have it back now as the correct grade of CGC 8.5. No idea if the grader just had slip of a keystroke/mouse click, or just for whatever reason graded it wrong that day, but it sure wasn't anything criminal about it, but rather a mistake by the grader and QC not catching it. So unless CGC is trying to make me more money because they like me it was just an internal mistake.

Okay this one. So assuming the customer said that was their book with the same defects as they send the book in as right? I didnt hear anything on the contrary to that. Its a CGC mis-grade for sure. The customer can send in the book under ME and they will re-grade the book for FREE. It will comeback 8.0/8.5 to fix the mistake and the book will be in a corrected CGC 8.0 or 8.5 holder.

I cant find it, please PM me the link?

what was Bry's situation? Can you post the link.

Again my listing or his? Everyone know about that guy that sells raw books shady on eBay based out of Montrose, California I do not understand what you mean here.

What did you say was true?

Well yeah man there is always chance. There are def restored books sitting in blue labels, mistakes can happen. I mean this is 2003 stuff everyone has have talked about to death on the CGC boards about. I already answered the MVS missing in a slab a couple posts above so no need to type it again if CGC finds it missing from a tamper free case graded in any year ever or any major mistake. That is a loaded question. Short answer NO. Why would anyone trust someone that says its missing without any proof? How would we both know that buyer isnt giving us the switch out and trying to commit fraud against us? So you are telling me and the boards if we each had 100K. nWo buys 100K worth of CGC Blue Label Hulk #181's on eBay from various sellers- cracks them all out for grading resubmission's shadroch buys 100K worth of "raw" Hulk #181's on eBay from various sellers- submits then Raw to CGC for grading That you (Shadroch) will have LESS RISK than me for holding onto the value of each of our 100K? Come on now. I mean you have to obviously do what you think is best of course. Since the average seller on most selling platforms can't grade I think you know my safe bet answer.

I am assuming then you did a bad job in not reading my post correctly. I literally told you exactly the basic difference between subjective and objective grading. Instead of being passive aggressive why don't you ask me what you disagree with.

Between them and the other grading company or buying CGC vs buying raw? I am not assuming though, I know the answers Over the years I have def had my share of "are you kidding" me situations from CGC. Anyone who submits regularly to CGC will always have a some problems over the many years. I just dont come here to post and rant/rave about it. After I scream and throw the slab against the wall I just email them and work it out. So far I have been taken care of every single time, never left holding the bag. I just take my credit and move on with my life. However, of course I understand for many a personal book mishap is emotionally more draining even when you are made whole versus books that are just resell submissions.

If I send them a HULK #181 from an tamper free case that was graded in 2010 yes they would absolutely cover you if the MVS stamp was missing or a page missing upon review. Major mistakes by them will always be fixed. That 2 week window for books just back from CGC is to cut down on the people for just breaks in cases, and cut down on the newton rings OCDer's. If CGC see's a book on eBay that was slabbed upside down in the year 2005 they would absolutely take that book back to fix it for free.

Absolutely Like him or not his views about the newer generations of artists was spot on, and why the torched has not been passed since the 1990's.

I am sure if you call then up and said you were nervous the MVS was not in there they would review it for you in light of everything that has happened. Maybe not for FREE, but they would. I mean isnt flying after a commercial crash the safest time to fly? Just a guess but right now is probably a good time to submit

Your joke aside that is a true statement.

Greggy we talked about this @greggy Confused is not the Like button

his most recent listing?

I mean sure, I mean one could say how do I know all the pages of my AF 15 are really there? Does the Cover match the interior pages? Are the Pages really White Pages? etc etc Your point is the trust has been broken in your eyes, I get that. I am saying the vast majority of Hulk #181's in Universal labels are just that perfectly fine. I cracked out probably 8 in my lifetime. All the MVS were there. A person is running more of risk buying a "raw" Hulk #181 than buying one already graded on eBay.

There is well know seller on eBay (based out of Montrose, California) that boardies have steered clear of for many years. He always used to sell Hulk #181's raw saying "High Grade" or "Near Mint," but were clearly a sneaky looking VF+ or VF/NM. Now can a good amount of people see through that I hope so, but a good amount of people who do not know how to grade will buy the book and be none the wiser. Especially if they do not send in the book for grading and just stick in the box to lay raw for years. Much bigger risk in all aspects of buying raw vs already graded for most casual/novice buyers even with the current scam.

Professional grading generally means you should be in the ballpark or strike zone as Steve Borock has said many times over the years and I think his logic is spot on. If you grade a book 6.0 and its comes back 6.0/6.5 that is where the slight subjectivity comes into play. Now if you graded a book NM+ (9.6) and it comes back NM- (9.2) that is not subjective. You missed something more than likely. If you want to prove them wrong you can submit the book for review or open up your own grading company and set the new standard. Also just because the grader/dealer/or seller was wrong on that certain day doesnt mean the standards changed. They just had a bad day at the office possibly.

Are saying buying a Hulk #181 on eBay "raw" listed by the seller as NM is less risky now than buying a already graded CGC 9.4 listed at auction going forward?

All I know is White Pages should always get more points for the same grade than all lower page quality destinations such as OWW or CR-OW. The market pays you more so why shouldn't the FREE registry. It's not rocket science to understand why. If you feel your book was given the wrong page destination or grade you can always resubmit or ask for a review, don't let it ruin your life.

No, that grader or collector just made mistake in their evaluation. Grading generally is not subjective. Not saying anyone in particular, but usually people who cant grade say "grading is subjective."

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My latest submission was actually delivered today. I am assuming it goes by the Invoice submission date. So I assume this box is old pricing. Not a big deal since I submit once per month. I am very happy about these changes of course going forward!

Nope. The bigger one was the #8 SS signed. Both went well under @RockMyAmadeus sale, but his was a pretty double signed which I do not think you see that often.