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15-20%

... but their final prices at auction sure aren't better. I do not want to hear anymore from their "supposed competitors." There is barely only one and they have missed more opportunities to capture market share then the Buffalo Bills at winning Superbowl's. So if CGC truly ever has a real competitor they haven't opened up business yet. You can write those other losers off. Right now CGC stands alone. Like it or not.

Heritage is not a great place to sell common post 1980 books. Same book on eBay would sell higher at .99c auction 7-day auction, which 2 did just a couple days prior. BTW the fact a CGC 9.6 is still commanding as of Jan 2024 those prices just shows us how popular Venom and McFarlane are. The book is so common even at CGC 9.6 a ASM #300 going for $500 is still high.

Interesting you say that. In my 20 years on selling on eBay what I noticed is at the beginning of each new year in January there is an uptick. My best guess is credit cards bills come due for all the useless junk most people buy during the Holiday season, and then they go "uh ohhhh" I cant afford this comic." My best guess as to why this happens mainly in Jan/Feb. Also then you see higher sales in March April May as income tax refunds come in, and people as per usual stupid with their money splurge.

Never ever cancel for a buyer in these kind of examples, just say nothing. Relist and cancel for non-payment after 4-days. eBay for me is an assembly line of buyers (mostly good). I have no emotion to the bad ones just block and move on. I quite enjoy my block bidder list, its like a badge of dis-honor

Not my problem anymore. As long as I get my market value $ for the book I move on, and call it a day. What they do with the book is up to them, they bought it from me its now their's. But yes that would be a nice thing for CGC to do for their customers I agree.

True, but like we both agree. We just many never know the full details.

It's also hard to have a rationale conversation with someone who thinks every CGC slab since 2000 is now null and void.

I am saying how I would do it. The scammer was even more moronic to show others how he did it if that is the case (pun intended lol).

Also to keep in mind while I agree I am sure he had some "rat holes" doesnt mean the scammer showed his skills to others. Personally if I were the scammer I would keep the process to myself, but just need others to sell the items through. Does that make sense?

Well the other factor I am not seeing people really talk about here is these tampered books still have value. Just take the 350 books total market value lets say is $1 million (just making this number up it up for example). Some will get a clean bill of health and the value is still there (CGC owns nothing besides reholder/shipping/worker wages of that book) Others will get a new grade and CGC has to decide how to pay the difference/credit. Example ASM #300 CGC 9.8, but is really a CGC 9.2. They have to buy the book, but still have a legit CGC 9.2 in a new tamper-free holder. So it could be CGC would only owe half of that amount in buybacks. Crude example but I think you get my point.

Well I really hope the information you provided CGC really helped. Thanks for calling in and helping.

Didn't you just prove my point with some? Zero chance you can stop micro-trimming consistently with out the help of maybe AI. I have no proof it is still happening and I hope to God it is not, but there stopping a professional seems impossible unlike this current scandal at the CGC level.

totally agree

IDK I am sure your life-long skills in the hobby would have sniffed it out.

Right, but I think he was referring to more getting it by buyers via sales.

It was I give him that. Yes I mean it wouldn't surprise me if they gotten it past some collectors for sure, but again who knows the real number.

You mean the video that showed with the heat gun and how easy it was for even a novice to spot it was tampered with? That one?

Umm yeah I will be there starting Friday. Anymore questions just PM me because I dont want to the "sky is falling" boardies here to think we are bringing some fun & sunshine to their stormy mind to derail this thread.

He is going to miss cocktail hour? boooooooo

You keep coming back to doom and gloom and how your collecting life is over, which most think is silly.

There are always scams in anything in life that money is involved 24/7.

@greggy Hello Greggy! You coming to soCal con with Joey in a couple weeks?

Correct if social media was around back then like it is now. OMG this thread would be up to 1000+ pages. Every week for 4-7 years that thread was going and going. Plus there were numerous other threads started weekly besides the main one. It was nuts.

Because you can stop this but you cant stop a Jason Ewert type with the same level of protocols and safeguards. Maybe with AI? Many buyers/sellers left after COVID and when interest rates went up.