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I never kiss and tell Or you can just check gpa because I forget.

Glad it was found and basically delivered. I literally just sold basically the same Sandman #1 CGC 9.8 SS as well. Years ago USPS lost registered mail, so I almost now feel safer when I send items media mail and retail ground.

Which is totally fine, my point was merely that just because you do not like my opinion I am not some CGC shill Trust me when I say many dealers in this hobby have helped guide CGC to positive changes over the years that many here on the boards do not know about. I have seen it first hand many times, but of course one of the ways for you to voice that opinion is here so I totally get that. For me I just don't feel the need to constantly come on here and post all my thoughts for public viewing, that's all. I just talk to them in person or directly in some form. I remember years ago getting a tampered ASM #129 (first generation old label) CGC 9.4 that was switched out. It was a CGC 9.0 inner-well in a CGC 9.4 holder. Some people really figured out a way to switch those out, and the way they did was way easier than what anyone thinks about this current scam is. So that's why I said earlier this 3rd generation case is the best they have so far, and of course new improvements would be a great idea in light of this current situation. I just see when people want a new case in 24 hours or a week they are being unrealistic. People from CGC are 110% reading all these posts so they are listening. Hope we have found some common ground.

Yes I understand the difference and I was merely asking if in general you were just talking about the common books vs rare books. (ASM 300's vs the MJ insert newsstands) I understand now you are saying for everything that CGC determined was tampered with. Got it. However, I think trying to get replacement cost of what they actually paid is going to be be a tough hill to climb. If the submitter wants a cash payout is what I think will happen for the more common books will just be market current values. I do think when it comes to the rare books thats where I can see this getting very tricky.

Assuming you are talking about the harder to replace comics right? Because most of the common books are easily to be replaced in grade and given to the customer to be made whole again, or the money give is enough to replace them through current market values. I am assuming you are talking about the Mark Jeweler's Newsstands that can not be easily found right?

Because you dont agree with something I said "we are done." I am assuming then you skim read as per most here. I said many times in this thread weeks ago this was simple problem that CGC could have stopped if they followed basic protocols in terms of the reholdering process. I mean what else is there to say past that? I am just not going to post over and over the same non-sense as many here have and be super negative on every post. Any reasonable person would take my last post in response to you as a reasonable response and an opinion. The fact you can't respond in kind with a thought out rebuttal is on you.

My only rebuttal to that is I as a submitter really dont want another person handling my books before grading. More chances of damage before the grader even touches the book.

By you not there do you mean you were not in the Hobby? Why? Because the book is common and fairly easy to find in high grade. I am saying if I waken up from a 2019 coma I would been very happy to get 2k for such a common book. The books downward trend has more to do with other factors than the case tampering which is what you were deciding if that was the case (no pun intended)

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Okay I think this version of the CGC case is the best version they have come out with so far of the 3 generations. Is it substandard? No. Can it be improved upon? Of course. All companies are supposed to be constantly striving for ever evolving ways to innovate a better experience or product for the customer. Best in the Industry? Yes, I personally feel CGC's case is the best in the industry. Now some will disagree, and that's fine. However I think most of the hobby would vote CGC over Voldemort if you take a poll. I do not think CGC needs a brand new case from scratch. Some people here think it can done like magic, and dont understand a new case process from scratch would take years to complete and implement. Now would a slight modification be a good idea? Sure. Some boardies have posted some interesting ideas. Just keep in mind that it would probably lead to a price increase, and then you would have some of the people who want a case change of some kind then complain about the new pricing So it's a balancing act.

Unless they changed their policy in the last month or so I assumed you can still save on CL’s 3% buyer premium if you pay by check. The fact this book even sells for $1k still amazes me in any CGC grade. Historically over a long period of time all the ASM keys keep going up even the common ones from 1980 to now. Everyone likes to compare prices to COVID, but that isnt what most should look at over the long haul. Trends over 5+ years or more is better. Of course I am assuming you point is the reholder scam might be effecting these prices, but I just think its just a common book going for what t should be going for in 2024. IMO if the reholder scam really hurt this book the prices I feel auction final sales would be 20-30% lower than that.

I want Terminator graders. If a book fails a pre-screen it is destroyed on the spot. That will cut down on pre-screen submissions.

I def think in the near future certain aspects of AI programs will help with things like that.

Oh so you mean just the submitter can see? aka not public right?

Then that's not a bad idea then if the cost would be basically be what you said. I cant agrue with that.

That would all depend on the cost basis. Let's face it 50% and its probably more of the books submitted are not even worth case cost to begin with. So most are not even worth being tampered with by the criminals. Maybe with higher tier books only?

Curious what is the major viewpoint I have said that you do disagree with me on? Because it depends on what day I am posting. Today I am in a serious mood, and most days on the boards its vodka on the rocks.

Interesting So do you mean like on label it self? or do you mean available to see online once you put in the cert#?

Where does it say that if a dealer, collector, and re-sellers use them that they will be rewarded with the highest market value in the hobby? Still wanting on that...

Many millions of dollars are linked to CGC's business. I am no different than the many others in the hobby. I asked you a question how is that a straw man argument to which you brought up? I will ask again. When you say "CGC Needs a New Holder." Do you mean like from scratch or a slight modification? Cause if you mean a brand new holder then that can not happen over night. 1-2 years or longer, slight modification is possible sooner. So I am asking you and others what do want them to do before then just stop grading comics in regards to their current case? They are obviously reading all posts here so what do you think is the best solution to start tomorrow morning.

I have to admit I only come here to see when my books will be graded each month by using @greggy as my go to barometer.

@BrashL When you say "CGC Needs a New Holder." Do you mean like from scratch or a slight modification? Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you also say CGC should stop all grading till then and have a complete recall of all previous holders?

Most books graded by CGC seem ridiculousness because the customer is not well versed in value.

haha see my above post for that exact comparison. WWE and WCW

Yes they are failures because they failed time and time again to make any real strides to become a legitimate threat when CGC has allowed them to come in. CGC is WWE and they are WCW. Eventually WCW went under, and bought by WWE. Heck even WCW put up a valiant fight. So that Voldey has been useless. I would love a true comic grading company WAR! Like we did with the Monday Night Wars of the late 90's. Consumer wins when that happens! No major dealer uses them to sell big books on a consistent basis. Their verified signature program has proven to not-trustworthy. That 10-20% gap has been that way since they opened up shop so let me know when they close that gap and I will gladly start submitting to them as well. Everyone can agree competition is good thing, I am just waiting for a real company to actually show up to challenge them. So far nothing in 24 years.