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    Pricing Comic Art - Update 2021

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    Posted · Edited by alxjhnsn

    Reason for the new thread: The one year period for updates to a post on a thread has passed so I can no longer update the first post on the old one. I'll mark the annual updates with the year.

     

    As many of you know, I've collected tips on how to price comic book art. I have recently updated my write-up to include resources that a seller might use and that are not really appropriate for buyers. I also added a section on pricing pencils/letters/inks on a page vs. pencils/inks on a page vs. separate pencils and inks.

    Feedback is welcome.

    BTW,

    • The latest write-up is always on this post. I edit the material in Spoiler tags and add a new comment on the bottom of the thread. This seems to be the easiest way to find the latest. Of course, it means older versions are gone. 
    • If you'd like a copy of this in an email, just PM me with your email address and I'll send it along
    Spoiler

     

    Whether you are pricing to sell or buy, you might want to explore the following resources

    • The website Comic Art Tracker can help you find art and look at current asking prices for similar pieces.
    • The OA auction archive at Heritage Auctions – This archive presents the results from all of their OA auctions.. Once you sign-up and get an id, you can search for pieces by your artist and see what they have sold for.
    • Ebay’s completed listings. The data is only 30 days old, but it is a place to find pricing for commonly traded artists.
    • The CAF Market Data - More auction results (more than 1,000,000) are available if you join the Comic Art Fans site, pay for Market Data access, and access eBay’s archive (much more than 30 days worth), Heritage Auctions, and other auction sites.
    • Artists Selling Directly
    • Dealer sites. 
      • Dealers, generally, post their art with fixed prices though there are exceptions. 
      • The best dealer list is available on Comic Art Tracker. You can see it here. 
      • There other dealer lists, e.g., there is a list of dealers on CGC OA board. 
      • The CAF site will search the inventories of several dealers for you. However, the Comic Art Tracker is better.
    • Auction Sites
      • The best Auction House list is found on the Comic Art Tracker site. You can see it here.
    • Art Pricing Services:
      • Terapeek is an ebay service that provides analytics on lots of ebay transactions - well beyond the 90 day limit. The rates are given on the link.
      • AskArt which for a fee will report auction prices for various types of art including comic art. Subscription information can be found here. The tracked sources are: auction houses, art galleries, and museums.
      • WorthPoint which for a fee will report auction prices for various types of art including comic art. Subscription pricing is here. A full list of their data sources can be found here. 
      • Blouin Art Info which tracks sales at major art auctions. It can turn up some Comic OA as well. Look for the “Art Prices” item on the top right of the screen. Subscription information is on the linked page. I can’t find their data sources.
    • Reference Books
      • Jerry Weist's Comic Art Price Guide - Heritage published a third edition of it. In my opinion, it's a good history book and might be useful for comparison work, but it was out of date a year before it was printed.
      • Dr. Patrick Bain’s Comic Art Trends Price Guide series which is available on Amazon.com and the Comic Art Trends Price Guide website.
        • Comic Art Trends Price Guide Modern Masters 2020
        • Comic Art Trends Price Guide Grading Companion
        • Comic Art Trends Price Guide 2019
    • Topics on the CGC Board
    • Videos and Podcasts
    • Other resources
      • Subscribe to Francesco Brisighelli's newsletter, Original Comic Art Tips. It's quite interesting as he survey's various auction sites and picks out the pieces that he believes are interesting. He maintains a website at comicart.tips and a Facebook Page as well.
      • There's a website listing comic artists and where they sell their wares - Buy from Comic Artists.

    If you are pricing to sell, there are additional resources:

     I do not claim that this information is either exhaustive or useful.

     Even with the information above, new buyers and sellers often find that OA is too hard to price. I agree that it is difficult. However, I think that there is a valid reason. Each piece is unique. Uniqueness make art sales generally and OA specifically non-linear. Examples of how piece can differ in ways that impact pricing include:

    • Content: Consecutive pages could and do sell for radically different amounts based on their content. 
    • Page Layout: In general, you might say:

                  Covers > 1st Page Splash > Other Splash > 1/2 splash > panel page

               However, that's not always true either. The right panel page can be much more compelling than a bland splash.

    • Penciler vs. character: There are "A-list" artists, but not all of their books/characters have the same value. Kirby FF pages generally go for more than JIM/Thor pages which go for more than Cap pages (2nd run) which go for more than ...
    • Pencilers/inkers combinations - Kirby/Sinnott FF pages rank above Kirby and anyone else on FF, but a Kirby/InkerX FF page might be more or less than a Kirby/Stone Thor page. Hard to tell.
    • Production Technique:
      • Classic - pencils, letters, and inks all on the same page
      • Recent - pencils and inks on the same page - no lettering
      • Modern - pencils and inks on different pages - no lettering

    In general, Classic > Recent > Modern

     

    When looking at a "split" Modern page, consider what it might be worth if done in Recent style and then split the cost with 60% of the "Modern-style" page going for the pencils and 40% going for the blue-line inks. Why? The penciller tells the story and that's the page (s)he handled. The inked page has the advantage of being the published page, but even so most prefer the pencil page.

    There’s another reason - scarcity. You may ask how it can be scarce especially modern art since pretty much anything drawn for a comic since the late 70s has been saved by someone. Well, that’s a good question and my friend, Rabid Ferret, explores this topic in Francesco Brisighelli’s blog. Rabid’s key point is that if one has specific types of pages in mind, one should do the research to determine how many such pages exist. In his blog post, he poses that question with regard to the Lee/Williams Uncanny X-Men run and the fan favorite Wolverine in the fan favorite action scenes (claws out). You’d be amazed at how few pages there are with the most desired characteristics. He then talks about ranking the pages. The gist is, if you have an idea of what you want, do the homework so when the piece comes up you know whether or not you should jump on it. I found the article to be quite enlightening; it also made me glad that I’m not s super specialist! 

    Finally, you should join the comic book OA community. The main points of Internet contact are:

    • Yahoo's comicart-l mailing list has passed because Yahoo has discontinued the service. However, two new lists have risen to replace it. I have joined both and I post to both most of the time.
      • On groups.io, we have comicart-l@groups.io (Sign up by clicking here and look for the word subscribe.) At this writing, there are 98 members.
      • On Freelists, we have comicartl@freelists.org (Sign up by clicking here.) At this writing, there are 307 members.
    • The Comic Art Fans website
    • The CGC OA Board 
    • The Facebook Pages listed above

    The main points of physical contact are probably:

    • Dedicated Comic Art Shows
      • Comic Art Con (Spring/Fall) - A twice yearly show held in northern NJ (Secaucus). The formal domain seems to have lapsed, but the show owner has a page for it here.
      • LA Comic Art Con - Annual art show one week before SDCC to leverage the dealer’s visit to the west coast
    • Conventions with High Dealer Attendance
    • Shows with a comic artist focus
      • Heroes Comic Con (June) - Not a lot of comic art dealers, but a huge number of artists who generally will draw and have portfolios to sell
      • Baltimore Comic Con (October) - Similar to HeroesCon.

    One last comment, if you are looking to buy or sell, spend the time to learn the market. That might take 6 months, but it's worth the time.

    I recognize that this is simply a general description and each piece of art and each seller is unique, but I think this information can be useful.

    The OFFICIAL "This week in your ORIGINAL ART collection?"

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    New Art Day - Cap Stubbs in "Who's Mary Margaret Mad at Anyway!" by Edwina Dumm

    I love comic strips that feature kids - Skippy, Peanuts, Calvin and Hobbes, Cut de Sac, Wallace the Brave, you get the picture.

    One of those strips I discovered by visiting Rob Stolzer’s page where he has quite a number of Dumm’s Cap Stubbs strips. Some time ago, I bought a couple of strips from the 50s, but Rob said I needed something older. He addressed that issue. 

    For your viewing pleasure is a strip from long ago; just click the image. Thanks, Rob!

    Dumm, Edwina - 1929-09-16 - Cap Stubbs.jpg

    The OFFICIAL "This week in your ORIGINAL ART collection?"

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    New Art Day - Skippy in "He didn't have an Eye for It" by Percy Crosby
    Skippy is a great strip. Charles Schulz credited Skippy as an inspiration for Peanuts. I’ve loved the strip since I discovered it and the book Skippy vs. the Mob.
    Take a few minutes to enjoy the strip and read the Description. Turns out that Skippy has a interesting real world legal history. As an aside, it’s remarkably small - 4.5” by 16.5”.

    Crosby, Percy - 1933-07-06 - Skippy.jpg

    New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips?

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    On 4/17/2021 at 11:42 PM, Werebear said:

    Not exactly comic art, but comic-adjacent: What is the market like for a Frazetta remarked print or pencil sketch?

    At the rate the market is going, even an ink illustration of Frank's will remain perpetually out of reach. I'm particularly fond of his big cat drawings. Any advice for his art would be appreciated. :)

    There is a thread on this board called "Pricing Comic Art - Update."

    In the spoiler text of the first post in that thread, you will find a wealth of information on how to find prices for comic art, how to find comic art, and how/where to sell comic art. I hope it helps. Questions are welcome.

    You'll find help there.

    New to OA Collecting, Advice, tips?

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    On 5/6/2021 at 3:32 AM, Ducky13 said:

    Not new to OA collecting, but have a question none the less

    With the explosion of comic book prices over the last 18 months is there a correlation to original art? 

    I do know that high end art has really taken off on auction sites but what about lower end OA (under $1000)

    Also is there a way to value your OA, to see price bumps or market corrections?

    Its relatively easy to evaluate individual comics with apps, websites and ebay but OA is a little more subjective

    Take for instance my Gary Frank Hulk 415 page, how would I find out the current value? (beside selling)

    Should we open a topic "please price my original art page?"

    My wife paid $500 for this 10 years ago, how would you evaluate rate of return on OA?

     

    There is a thread on this board called "Pricing Comic Art - Update."

    In the spoiler text of the first post in that thread, you will find a wealth of information on how to find prices for comic art, how to find comic art, and how/where to sell comic art. I hope it helps. Questions are welcome.

     

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    The OFFICIAL "This week in your ORIGINAL ART collection?"

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    A little more inheritance squandering has occurred!
     
    This time, Thom Zahler Cartooning created a daily piece of art featuring couples suggested by his Patreon members. I naturally suggested Sugar and Spike and equally naturally bought the created piece! For the heck of it, I also used my cover template and made it - like my Jeffrey Brown S&S meet Darth Vader piece - pseudo, faux S&S 100 cover. :)
     
    In the description, you will find a link to all of the couples.
     
    Check my couple out by clicking on the image:
     

    Zahler, Thom - Sugar and Spike in a pseudo faux S&S 100 cover