timfinz

No, just 300 posts a day bias. For some concrete data: Last week Kav had 349 posts. Next closest person surprisingly wasn't Slym and only came in at 177. Some guy named timern- coiny I presume… http://boardreader.com/site/www_collectors_society_com_17426.html Hey, don't drag me into this...pleeease!!!

And now I think we know what your problem is!

I hear you Jimmers, it was just an attempt on my part to try and stir things up a little with regard to the way the census is being screwed up with this CPR game (Which I learned yesterday has nothing to do with a drowning person)

If they had that kind of optical recognition software then they most likely wouldn't need "professional graders"?

And I'm not really sure why you would think that this makes the "customer a criminal". You'll have to be a little more informative.

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. THEY BETTER NOT. I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won. If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded. At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this! That the book was previously means squat. The person breaks it out for SS or mishandles it. IT results in new grade. The tattoo will accomplish nothing except add chemicals to a book that is sensitive to chemicals So tell me why someone would break it out of a holder, mis-handle it and then submit it to expect a higher grade?????????? But sometimes people bust books out for other reasons.years ago I broke out my ST 110 because I wanted to read it,smell it ect...Since then I have upgraded,this time with a raw book.with the prices going nuts I may one day(shudder) trade my old copy for something.said person who gets this book(with the old label label saved for them) may very well re submit...I take great care of my comics,but cannot guarantee it was not damaged at all....the tattooing idea leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. It's not like an ink-like tattoo. I just used the terminology to give you the idea that if the books were "tagged" that at least there would be some way of knowing the history of the book. And I'm not saying that the only reason someone breaks open a slabbed book is to resubmit it hoping to get a higher grade but let's not fool ourselves, is that not what ultimately happened here? If the book had been "inconspicuously tagged" and if the book would have been resubmitted to CGC, they would have scanned the "inconspicuous tag printed with invisible ink somewhere on the interior page(s)" and then they would have informed the graders that it had already been graded previously. I'm sure that they would pull the notes from the previous grade and make a comparison to current condition and then decide from there how it would be handled. The way it is right now someone de-slabs a book and resubmits it hoping for a higher grade because who knows what kind of night the grader had? Fingers crossed it comes back with a higher grade and then you have two books in the census - one of which no longer exists? How often does this happen? How many non-existent resubmitted upgraded books are there? If any of you reading this have participated in the PGM thread or the March/April/May Madness thread, how many of you have tried to grade the same book more than once (and not five or ten minutes a part) I mean like a week later or two? Did you come up with the same grade? Most likely not unless the book is in the very lower or very upper grading tiers. Going this route treats the customer like a criminal and exposes the fact that CGC cannot catch all restoration despite their claims. I don't want CGC chemically treating my books just to make their life easier. And I suppose this route that we are in right now is making everyone's lives "easy"?

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. THEY BETTER NOT. I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won. If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded. At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this! That the book was previously means squat. The person breaks it out for SS or mishandles it. IT results in new grade. The tattoo will accomplish nothing except add chemicals to a book that is sensitive to chemicals So tell me why someone would break it out of a holder, mis-handle it and then submit it to expect a higher grade?????????? But sometimes people bust books out for other reasons.years ago I broke out my ST 110 because I wanted to read it,smell it ect...Since then I have upgraded,this time with a raw book.with the prices going nuts I may one day(shudder) trade my old copy for something.said person who gets this book(with the old label label saved for them) may very well re submit...I take great care of my comics,but cannot guarantee it was not damaged at all....the tattooing idea leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. It's not like an ink-like tattoo. I just used the terminology to give you the idea that if the books were "tagged" that at least there would be some way of knowing the history of the book. And I'm not saying that the only reason someone breaks open a slabbed book is to resubmit it hoping to get a higher grade but let's not fool ourselves, is that not what ultimately happened here? If the book had been "inconspicuously tagged" and if the book would have been resubmitted to CGC, they would have scanned the "inconspicuous tag printed with invisible ink somewhere on the interior page(s)" and then they would have informed the graders that it had already been graded previously. I'm sure that they would pull the notes from the previous grade and make a comparison to current condition and then decide from there how it would be handled. The way it is right now someone de-slabs a book and resubmits it hoping for a higher grade because who knows what kind of night the grader had? Fingers crossed it comes back with a higher grade and then you have two books in the census - one of which no longer exists? How often does this happen? How many non-existent resubmitted upgraded books are there? If any of you reading this have participated in the PGM thread or the March/April/May Madness thread, how many of you have tried to grade the same book more than once (and not five or ten minutes a part) I mean like a week later or two? Did you come up with the same grade? Most likely not unless the book is in the very lower or very upper grading tiers.

SWEET Most cool!

I've lost all confidence in this thread!

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. THEY BETTER NOT. I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won. If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded. At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this! That the book was previously means squat. The person breaks it out for SS or mishandles it. IT results in new grade. The tattoo will accomplish nothing except add chemicals to a book that is sensitive to chemicals So tell me why someone would break it out of a holder, mis-handle it and then submit it to expect a higher grade?????????? They might resub after SS They might break it open to read for their own collection and decide to reesub knowing it will get a lower grade. Is CGC supposed to re-Tattoo a book each time it comes in? +1 Tattooing a book is pointless. Especially if you are a SS freak and keep breaking it out to have more names put on. I once had a book I crack Multiple times and Had 9 sigs on it The book would only be tagged with invisible ink once. Then cgc could document its history linked to that serial number. Would actually be able to track the provenance. A Little water and the key could be reased And I suppose the water would help to increase the grade and value of the book? On a serious note. I think the idea of tattooing each CGC graded book with indelible invisible ink would eliviate a lot of the issues around this CPR business.

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. THEY BETTER NOT. I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won. If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded. At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this! That the book was previously means squat. The person breaks it out for SS or mishandles it. IT results in new grade. The tattoo will accomplish nothing except add chemicals to a book that is sensitive to chemicals So tell me why someone would break it out of a holder, mis-handle it and then submit it to expect a higher grade?????????? They might resub after SS They might break it open to read for their own collection and decide to reesub knowing it will get a lower grade. Is CGC supposed to re-Tattoo a book each time it comes in? +1 Tattooing a book is pointless. Especially if you are a SS freak and keep breaking it out to have more names put on. I once had a book I crack Multiple times and Had 9 sigs on it The book would only be tagged with invisible ink once. Then cgc could document its history linked to that serial number. Would actually be able to track the provenance. A Little water and the key could be reased And I suppose the water would help to increase the grade and value of the book?

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. THEY BETTER NOT. I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won. If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded. At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this! That the book was previously means squat. The person breaks it out for SS or mishandles it. IT results in new grade. The tattoo will accomplish nothing except add chemicals to a book that is sensitive to chemicals So tell me why someone would break it out of a holder, mis-handle it and then submit it to expect a higher grade?????????? Bizarro World maybe? Yeah, ya think?

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. THEY BETTER NOT. I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won. If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded. At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this! That the book was previously means squat. The person breaks it out for SS or mishandles it. IT results in new grade. The tattoo will accomplish nothing except add chemicals to a book that is sensitive to chemicals So tell me why someone would break it out of a holder, mis-handle it and then submit it to expect a higher grade??????????

oh, vertical pressing?

I'm going to read this comment with a grain of salt!

Your a re-collector

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. I'm not sure barcoding with solve anything that happened here. There is nothing to stop someone from buying a slabbed book, cracking it out TRIMMING it or ironing it, reading it...or just handling it poorly. Anything could change the grade of the book before it's resubmitted. It might be useful to deter theft but won't help the crack press fiddle resub issues. I agree that it may not be useful for this situation currently, however if CGC were to implement the barcode/invisible ink linking the actual book to the system and not just the holder and make this information public then it might stabilize the somewhat fragile state that the hobby appears to be going through. It would deter theft, and also deter the "resubmit and see if I can get a better grade" mentality. I think once a book as been submitted that there should not be the opportunity to crack it open and press, trim, resubmit etc. I mean George Costanza couldn't return his "flagged" book for a refund so why should a slabbed book allowed to be cracked and resubmitted for the sake of profit or cheating the other guy? After all the CGC graders are only human right? Am I alone in this belief or is this what the hobby is turning to? No, but what you suggest would kill the pressing cottage industry, and kill profits for most of the big time dealers. They wouldn`t want that. It would hit their profits like a ton of bricks. I'm not so sure it would kill the pressing industry. After all if the rest of the comic book enthusiasts are removing books from slabs only to have them pressed and reslabbed hoping for a higher grade isn't this entire thread proof positive that regarding doesn't always mean a higher grade? Besides I'm sure there are enough "raw" books out there to keep the pressing industry pressing forward. (see what I did there ) and at the same time bring stabilization to the CGC census. How does CGC keep track of books that have been resubmitted for grading once they have been removed from their holders and resubmitted raw? Just how far out is the census???

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. THEY BETTER NOT. I don't want them adding chemicals to a book I won. If I take it out and keep it raw why should they keep their mark on it If they were to use invisible UV ink to "tattoo" the book in an inconspicuous area inside the book what difference would it make to you? Just means that if someone were to resubmit the book for grading it would come up in the CGC system as a book that had already been graded. At least the customer could be notified that the book had previously been graded. I'm sure there are other logical advantages that could come of this!

Crack, Press, Resub I'd hate for someone to be drowing and someone yell, "who knows CPR" Yeah, I know, that's why I asked! I was expecting something like this! But that person most likely would get a "BLUE" label?

Crack, Press, Resub

It will never happen as part of the business model from the start was the CPR game. Think about how much they'd lose if people were never able to resub a book once it was graded. CPR was once a secret. Some of us here were part of that curtain reveal. There was outrage then too. Looking back in hindsight, it was always there if you knew where to look. I would like to know who submitted the book, but I doubt we will. It's a little surprising (this whole situation), but I'm not floored like I would've been back in the day. And, no need for anyone talking about being surprised as PQ changing. That happens all the time. Don't put a lot of weight in that. Ever. What is CPR?

If i remember correctly, PSA/DNA has invisible ink. CGC could use that to barcode a book. I'm not sure barcoding with solve anything that happened here. There is nothing to stop someone from buying a slabbed book, cracking it out TRIMMING it or ironing it, reading it...or just handling it poorly. Anything could change the grade of the book before it's resubmitted. It might be useful to deter theft but won't help the crack press fiddle resub issues. I agree that it may not be useful for this situation currently, however if CGC were to implement the barcode/invisible ink linking the actual book to the system and not just the holder and make this information public then it might stabilize the somewhat fragile state that the hobby appears to be going through. It would deter theft, and also deter the "resubmit and see if I can get a better grade" mentality. I think once a book as been submitted that there should not be the opportunity to crack it open and press, trim, resubmit etc. I mean George Costanza couldn't return his "flagged" book for a refund so why should a slabbed book allowed to be cracked and resubmitted for the sake of profit or cheating the other guy? After all the CGC graders are only human right? Am I alone in this belief or is this what the hobby is turning to?

I too have not read this entire thread but I get the jist of it. Would it be more conducive to discretely "tattoo" the interior of the book with the CGC number to prevent this kind of fiasco? I think it would certainly prevent the books from going through the resubmittal and screwing up the census.