G.A.tor

always is an absolute, and very likely impossible to confirm... but usually I believe is a reasonable assertion to make, based on actual sales that allow a comparison to be made ... what you seem to be missing intentionally or unintentionally is that : 1)gpa captures only a fraction of sales data, and is typically NOT retail sales but wholesale sales (that what auction houses typically are used for) 2)gpa data are not comparable sales...ie, they don't happen at the same time, in the same venue and under the same market conditions.... so NO conclusion can realistically be drawn from that portion of public data concerning pq, because there is no detail as to "why" one book sold for what it did, relative to others... 3)convention and store sellers will tell you pq does matter, and folks like me can back it up with real world examples , under the SAME market conditions (that's key, of course) so from that usable data, I can state with some certainty that PQ does affect both price and desirability when the environment for comparable sales affords itself

The 'hard data' you refer to is as soft as a baby's behind. The majority of sales of major Marvel SA keys occur without being reported to GPA. Those reported to GPA don't provide information on upgrade potential or chipping. But go ahead and knock yourself out disagreeing with one of the hobby's dealers with vast experience in pricing and selling SA Marvel megakeys. gpa not only doesn't include or detail upgrade potential and chipping, but eye appeal, venue of sale, time of sale, number of copies for sale at that time, purchasers intention, etc, etc... that's why gpa data can't be used to make a determination about pq affects on price ,either way... only real world, side by side sales can... I provided a perfect example of this from 2 days ago....but I have dozens and dozens of sales examples that support the fact that pq does affect price in most every instance... in a convention or store setting, where the majority of variables being equal (time, venue, price, etc), the higher pq almost always sells first, and sells for more... "fact" if you will, at least for me and probably every other major seller...

Actually J, I believe just the opposite... I have had same graded copies and sold the one with better pq for a higher price in almost every instance...while restrictive and limited data, that is data that supports better pq will sell for more..."proof" if you will... in fact, Sat at megacon, I had 2 cgc 5.5 Flash 105...one with cr/ow, one with ow...they visually appeared almost identical... the ow copy sold for $100 more (and sold first)... again, "proof"... the customer even said "for $100 more, I will take the nicer pq" and hard data (such as census), doesn't support that it is only "pq" that is responsible for price...just the opposite, the data doesn't say one way or another what drove the price for that particular copy to be the highest (there are too many variables)...so, it is not quantifiable or applicable, where as real world, side by side, same time sales are but pq absolutely, in real world sales environment, affects price for the majority of buyers and sellers... that is "indisputable" from first hand sales experience over years and years of cgc sales

Is this predominately at shows ? I haven't seen the "PQ" on the label affect prices either way in the mid to lower grades at auction or on ebay BIN's. MC yes, but even now that seems to matter less as overall inventory has dwindled. -J. Pq, in my experience, is a minor to moderate differential, even among lower grades. Not so much 2.0 and below but definitely in 4.0 A quick perusal of GPA reveals that you are correct with regard to 4.0, though even there the books with "cream to off white pages" on the label are spot on with the 12 month GPA average for all sales. Overall, I would say that it is difficult, if not impossible to know if some or any of the price differences are related to marvel chipping and/or the "PQ" on the label, or just the normal market forces of the book heating up again and the timing of the various copies coming to market. For Example: -In a 1.5 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label has the current GPA high;. -In a 1.8 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label has the current GPA high; -In a 2.0 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label is 2nd highest, sandwiched in between two books (1st and 3rd highest) with "ow/w" on the label; -In a 2.5 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label has the current GPA high; -In a 3.0 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label is the 2nd highest, and tied with 4 other books with all manner of "PQ" on the label, up to and including "ow/w"; -In a 3.5 a book with "cream to off white pages" on the label is 2nd highest, sandwiched in between two books (1st and 3rd highest) with "ow" on the label; -In a 4.5 TWO books with "cream to off white pages" on the label have the current GPA highs. After that the sales get too sparse and sporadic to do an adequate analysis. But the trend is clear....there is no trend. Books with "cream to off white pages" on the label in every grade between 1.0 and 4.5 (with the exception of 4.0, though, again, those books are still in line with GPA 12 month averages) are either the current GPA highs (in four of seven of the grades), or 2nd highest (positioned between books with "ow" and "ow/w" on the label in the 1st and 3rd highest sales spots). No "discounts" or "premiums" either way can be observed from this data IMO. -J. no idea what gpa highs are, but I sold a 4.5 ow/w, no mc for 17995... as for what pq copies are setting gpa highs, my guess is it is some are likely the most recent sold copy....so, again, not sure it is pq so much as it is demand for "any" copy at this point where supply seems restricted relative to demand... I think if you have 4.0's (or any grade really), side by side that are visually comparable, one with cr/ow and one with ow/w, my guess is 100% of folks would choose the ow/w if priced the same, and some % would pay a slight premium for the ow/w over the cr/ow...that is the real "tale tell" I also believe eye appeal to be a bigger factor than pq....so, again, the cr/ow copies might have great eye appeal compared to an ow/w copy all chipped up...so J, your data may not tell us anything without some qualifiers there really is only logic that makes sense...the nicer looking book combined with nicer pages should and probably "is" worth more and will retail for more... really that simple

there are some books, where white pages is the "norm" and lower pq is actually a "no no"... so, not all books get a premium for white pages, so to speak, but a discount for less than... that said, I think many folks do or will pay a slight premium for white pages books (certain ones)...others, I don't think it really matters that much (commons versus keys)

Is this predominately at shows ? I haven't seen the "PQ" on the label affect prices either way in the mid to lower grades at auction or on ebay BIN's. MC yes, but even now that seems to matter less as overall inventory has dwindled. -J. Pq, in my experience, is a minor to moderate differential, even among lower grades. Not so much 2.0 and below but definitely in 4.0

Tis true/ good point turtle 4k a point works for ow or better pq, no mc and better than avg eye appeal A 4.0 with cr/ow pages and marvel chipping is likely to fetch 10-25% less, as an example And yes, my formula is for 1.0-5.0

cheap...I sold a 4.0 for 15995 this weekend... Must have been a real pretty 4.0. it was indeed...actually had a 4.5 priced at same (again, last year sticker) that I quickly moved up to 4K a point...whew

incredible for demand for af15, hulk 1, daredevil 1 and sc 4 at megacon...virtually no demand for Bb 28 at this show ( a little disappointed)... sold multiple copies of the others at well over "gpa" (but at fmv) and even offered to discount a bb 28 but no taker...

cheap...I sold a 4.0 for 15995 this weekend...

Did he even finish elementary? Yes...

7% Unfortunately, you are way off on this estimate. I did a careful study of this point last year and the correct number is 7.3%.

Purchased several more copies and sold 14,15&16.

7%

from a financial loss frame of reference I bought a mmc7 Larson copy for 25k and only netted 13500 when I sold. I think my only 5 fig loss.

Low to mid grade about 1500 a point. Give or take. Higher grade more exponential

I sold a relatively ugly 3.0 last week for 7500. I have a much nicer looking 3.0 that I guess should be a premium to that sale. I like roulette 9k eval

Better get moving old man. That's not even 1 a week. First con of the year. By sept hope to be there!

Not that anyone is keeping track other than me, but sold copies 11,12&13 at megacon today. All part of my quest to sell 100!

So white and so pretty. I remember that book as well

I remember thumbing up a couple of them

I sold a 3.0 last week for 7500 and just bought back a former 3.0 copy I sold last year

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