G.A.tor

easier to just bump with another comic

i have already experienced an increase in demand for sm issues. If the movie is great it absolutely will have some positive effect

there are some cool books, but they lack, of course, the current today superhero...zips, jackpot, blue ribbon, shield wizard, etc all offer us a wonderful look into the GA of comics, but with very little relevance today, the demand seems to be relegated to those forturnate enough to discover and appreciate the "guts" more than the "cgc cover centric" type of collector we see more and more of today... those hangman and zip splashes are some of the best out there , but so few folks get to experience them!

4) all of the above

I could really only speak for folks that have bought from me...a company like metro, clink, heritage could give a better ball park.... I would guess the number of folks that spend 5 figs on a comic number in the hundreds, maybe even low thousands...

I like bargains. I'm looking forward to buying Adventure 40, Marvel 1, All American 16 and More Fun again over be next couple of years. I'll enjoy owning them more with a smaller amount of money invested in them Not all Marvel 1s are selling for low prices I sold mine in 2013 for substantially higher than I paid for it (Buyer asked me not to disclose price - sorry). diff between high grade and low grade

only natural to miss the first 4 years Urban vs the last 2 years urban... muschamp is fine...but until he wins a natty, you can never be "satisfied"

a book like all star 8 could enter b.c. There is talk of making WW relevant again (tv show/movie) Tec 29 is already nipping at the heels. Action 10/13 will continue to rise. Small chance a pep 22 could take a step back, as could aa16 but both books are rare enough that even limited demand should keep prices somewhat constant (though probably not rising at rate the main players will)

I like bargains. I'm looking forward to buying Adventure 40, Marvel 1, All American 16 and More Fun again over be next couple of years. I'll enjoy owning them more with a smaller amount of money invested in them but you love the comic more than the profit potential (a good thing mind you) There are many books one can buy today that will have potential profit and there are many books one can buy today that we should just for the love of collecting comics. Unfortunately when dealing with 4 and 5 fig valued comics no matter how much we love owning the comic there is a value side added variable to the equation. So understanding the market and market indicators will help us make wise purchasing choices relative to both the enjoyment (intangible) and the value (tangibly measured ) factors!

Premium paid for unrestored vs. discount given for PLOD results in essentially the same point I was making: blue labels will sell for much more than their purple label counterparts. Raw copies leave the door open to missed restoration and (at times) some uncertainty grade-wise. On five-figure books, the difference between half grade points can have a financial impact. Notice we almost never see raw, unrestored copies of mega-key books come through the major auction houses. In relation to their value, it's not that difficult to slab a book and guarantee its being unrestored. My comments were in response to the last public sale of slabbed example (which sold well above the better-graded raw copies you've referenced). on low grade aa16 we have seen Several plods sell for approximately what one would pay for a blue label in that grade (3 diff clink sales). So not so sure on low grade there is huge premium generally paid. All low grade aa16s (plod or unrestored) seem to sell in the same general range from my experience (7-10k give or take an Exception here or there). The book is still "rare" but just doesn't command great demand these days (and unlikely that will change seems to be the majority opinion) You can't say that PLODs are selling for blue label prices when we don't have blue label sales examples in the present to compare them to. There has been only one recent sale of a blue label and it sold well above the PLOD prices you're referencing. Which makes sense, blue labels do sell for more than PLODs. I said unrestored not blue label, and I have record of 3 sales where a blue label did sell for same as a plod (clink sales and one of my own within last year) so that statement holds true as well. And I am done with this line of "debate" ...Ive said all i can say and i can't present my case any clearer with regards to aa16 so onto the next "ask gator" question

Premium paid for unrestored vs. discount given for PLOD results in essentially the same point I was making: blue labels will sell for much more than their purple label counterparts. Raw copies leave the door open to missed restoration and (at times) some uncertainty grade-wise. On five-figure books, the difference between half grade points can have a financial impact. Notice we almost never see raw, unrestored copies of mega-key books come through the major auction houses. In relation to their value, it's not that difficult to slab a book and guarantee its being unrestored. My comments were in response to the last public sale of slabbed example (which sold well above the better-graded raw copies you've referenced). on low grade aa16 we have seen Several plods sell for approximately what one would pay for a blue label in that grade (3 diff clink sales). So not so sure on low grade there is huge premium generally paid. All low grade aa16s (plod or unrestored) seem to sell in the same general range from my experience (7-10k give or take an Exception here or there). The book is still "rare" but just doesn't command great demand these days (and unlikely that will change seems to be the majority opinion)

if it is something you want signed of course...really shouldn't matter if cgc is there of not. If you are worried about value/perceived legitamacy then document with photo of signing!

Technically There is no premium paid for unrestored. Fmv is paid for unrestored with a discount (most times) for restored or qualified. There is only 1 cgc 1.0 on census but I sold a cgc 1.0 with sb pages last year for 7k. Buyer opted to restore the book (Matt sent in label to have removed from census) Given that I have sold a raw fr/gd at less than 10k I can confirm the existence regardless of what anyone out there believes and I know of several other lower grade fortressed housed unrestored copies. The appeal of aa16 is generally not to this group of 20somethings you reference, but to "old school" collectors (regardless of age) and many don't value or care about cgcing a book As mentioned as many of these collectors age and part with their collections we will see more aa16, mf52, adv40, etc hit the market and my guess is the market will absorb the copies but not at any premium to today's pricing.

Curious Rick, out of the copies you've had in stock...how many were blue label? There are only 19 in existence and as I mentioned before, that makes it very difficult to regularly generate hype in the ways Batman #1 (for instance) has been able to do so. AA #16's situation is similar to Whiz Comics #2 in that respect, only Green Lantern is a lot more relevant today than Captain Marvel. I know, it's Alan Scott and not Hal Jordan...but you'd be surprised how many people in my age-group know the history of Alan Scott as well as the other Lanterns who came after Hal Jordan. The popularity of the Green Lantern brand has exploded in recent years; at least, within my age group (mid-20's). I won the All-American Comics #16 CGC slabbed front cover in ComicConnect's March auction for over 3K. And the recent sale of a 1.0 copy with BRITTLE pages at $11,250 is probably the closest you'll ever come to buying a complete, unrestored copy for under 15K. The next closest graded copy on the census is 2.0. So while I do not doubt that another Green Lantern film (or the new Justice League film) would add additional hype -- making AA #16 even more appealing, there just aren't enough slabbed unrestored copies in existence to regularly see the continuous build-up of hype that many of it's contemporaries have seen. what you are missing is there are plenty of raw unrestored copies out there that more than meet demand at price point X. There are also several fr/gd copies that can be had for under 10k and have traded hands multiple times. Don't be blinded by limited information at your disposal (thumbs u You also can't keep referencing a single sale as indicative of the market. It is both naive and erroneous for this book

Hi Rick... How about this one? You can only pick one book from the above list that you feel will appreciate the most in the next 5-10 years, which one would you choose? and which book would be 'runner-up'? Ok... I guess that's a two-book pick 'em. Action 7 and tec 31 will grow the most % wise because of their lower proce point. Bm1 and cap1 and pep22 have already more than doubled (even tripled ) in value so they are due for a slow down.

hello gino... it is actually just the opposite....cgc is constantly updating the census...many times, folks will take a book, say a 2.5, press it, and have it regraded (maybe a 3.0)...as long as they turn in the 2.5 label, cgc will remove that book from the census...since it no longer exists any more... same with the 3.0...at one point, that first sold 3.0 was probably the only one they graded...it was likely pressed or just resubmitted, got a different grade, and the old label was provided , thus removing it from the census...then another copy (the diff) one was graded, and so the census reflects that...

I guess I would pose the question to you...why?....the prices are not at any type of low (actually higher than ever)...they are just stagnant due to demand...and, to be honest, I cannot forsee any event (short of dc making alan scott the center of the universe, or a major movie, etc, which is anything short of highly unlikely) changing the demand for this book?...as us "old timers" get older, more and more copies will come to market, with a presumably stagnant (or even decreasing demand), which will cause prices, at some future point, to decline.... would be a bad "speculation" in my opinion This is what I want to hear. I'll wait until prices decrease a bit more Everything Gator has stated about AA 16 is true and accurate. I know folks know this, but just to clarify, everything I type on this forum that is not a known fact is MY opinion....I am wrong sometimes (end of my disclaimer)

I guess I would pose the question to you...why?....the prices are not at any type of low (actually higher than ever)...they are just stagnant due to demand...and, to be honest, I cannot forsee any event (short of dc making alan scott the center of the universe, or a major movie, etc, which is anything short of highly unlikely) changing the demand for this book?...as us "old timers" get older, more and more copies will come to market, with a presumably stagnant (or even decreasing demand), which will cause prices, at some future point, to decline.... would be a bad "speculation" in my opinion

I don't disagree...but this list is not "cool" GA superhero books in order,or most important, etc... but today's market cap/value...and AA 16 barely cuts mustard these days... that said, I used to keep 5 copies in stock, so I fully support the book....but as ciorac will attest, just a few months ago he had a "tough" time selling his copy at very reasonable prices...the top 9 books would have NO problem selling at very reasonable prices.... aa 16 just doesn't command the collector $ like it once did...doesn't change how us old timers feel about it, but the character is barely relevant today (like spectre and sandman, etc)... we are in a different time my friends!

No doubt aa16 barely makes the top ten. Tec29 nips right on its heels.

So someone actually asked me to give Approx "value" to each of my top ten in 2.0 so here goes. Keep in mind I am giving a range b.c as we know not all 2.0s are created equal! 1) action 1....175-200k 2) detective 27...150-175k 3) superman 1...50-70k 4) batman 1...20-25k 5) captain America 1...20-25k 6) pep 22...20-25k 7) action 7...20-25k 8) detective 31...20-22k 9) marvel 1...20-22k 10) all American 16...15-17k

sell them to me and start over

Another aa16 to bat 1 comparison. Right now on clink an aa16 in 4.0 at 37k has been sitting for a week with only a 28k offer. A batman 1 in cgc 4.0 would disappear in less than a minute at 37k....would sell in 5 min at 50k and would sell faster at 60k than the aa16@37.

I respect your opinion big-time Rick, I wouldn't have first asked you the question if I didn't. My point in this case is that since AA #16 is so rare when it comes to CGC slabbed universal examples, it doesn't have the same opportunity to set precedents sales-wise. Years can go by before a copy in the same grade re-sells or sells again, where as Batman #1 can be found in many major auctions. The 1.0 copy w/BRITTLE pages was the last public sale of a complete Universal copy and it sold strong at $11,250. What is GPA for Batman #1 Universal w/BRITTLE pages? although not nearly as rare as AA16, demand and popularity for Bat 1s has been higher at least in the last 10 years or so I believe. AA16 has been a high value key for years, but I can certainly see it being passed by Bat 1 and Cap 1s in the future. I believe a 2.0 brittle Bat 1 sold last Fall for $19k? Somebody confirm that... a nice looking 1.0 Brittle just sold a month ago for almost 16k

I respect your opinion big-time Rick, I wouldn't have first asked you the question if I didn't. My point in this case is that since AA #16 is so rare when it comes to CGC slabbed universal examples, it doesn't have the same opportunity to set precedents sales-wise. Years can go by before a copy in the same grade re-sells or sells again, where as Batman #1 can be found in many major auctions. The 1.0 copy w/BRITTLE pages was the last public sale of a complete Universal copy and it sold strong at $11,250. What is GPA for Batman #1 Universal w/BRITTLE pages? funny you should ask. It is about 50% more (thumbs u And while publicly an aa16 might not seem to be available ...for someone that really wants one they are as available as a batman 1 (and for less) (thumbs u