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On 5/30/2024 at 1:48 PM, Robot Man said:

Nice! Still missing that one.

Cool run for sure! ❤️ 

FYI I saw #4 in an upcoming auction on HA

On 5/26/2024 at 10:58 AM, Changer said:

Interesting. Send me the prompt. Maybe if we feed in 5 known images from both artists it can analyze  the whole drawing . In the case of the lubber anatomy horse and human , seems much looser and off, especially that Texan. But that’s my art degree speaking and my human side speaking   I do think the inks are strong on it, so maybe collab

Here are the prompts I used:

1. Did Matt Baker draw this cover?
2. Can you tell me more about this cover?3.Can you comment on the style of drawing?4.Can you comment on the horse, how is it different than Matt baker drawn horses?

5. Why did Matt baker not illustrate this cover?

6. But why are you saying that this cover isn’t drawn by Matt Baker?

7. Please elaborate why this a Matt baker cover. Provide evidence.   

These prompts are pretty generic…think we can get more granular with the queries…

On 5/26/2024 at 7:28 AM, Mavrick76 said:

I asked ChatGPT (after uploading front cover photo ChatGPT credits Lubbers for the cover 🤷🏻‍♂️) I wanted to take a non human approach  to this debate 

More 🐴 talk below:

The depiction of the horse on the cover of "Slash-D Doublecross" by Bob Lubbers differs from the typical style of Matt Baker in several ways:

1. **Anatomy and Realism**: Bob Lubbers' horse exhibits a more realistic approach to anatomy, capturing the musculature and structure of the animal with accuracy. The horse's muscles, facial features, and proportions are rendered with a focus on realism, giving it a lifelike appearance.

2. **Dynamic Posing**: The horse is shown in a dynamic pose, emphasizing movement and action, which is consistent with Lubbers' overall dynamic composition style. The horse's rearing position and the flow of its mane and tail contribute to the sense of urgency and excitement in the scene.

3. **Expressiveness**: Lubbers' horse is highly expressive, with wide eyes and an open mouth, which helps convey the intensity and drama of the moment. This level of expressiveness adds to the overall emotional impact of the image.

4. **Detailing**: The detailing in Lubbers' horse is meticulous, with careful attention to the texture of the fur, the structure of the hooves, and the intricate elements of the bridle and reins. This level of detail enhances the realism and depth of the illustration.

In contrast, Matt Baker's horses often had a slightly more stylized and idealized look:

1. **Stylization**: Baker's horses sometimes leaned towards a more stylized form, with smoother lines and less emphasis on detailed anatomy. This approach can give his horses a sleek and graceful appearance, fitting with his elegant and fluid art style.

2. **Simplified Anatomy**: While Baker was skilled in anatomy, his horses might not exhibit the same level of anatomical detail and realism as Lubbers'. They often have cleaner, more simplified lines that contribute to a different aesthetic.

3. **Less Expressive Features**: Baker's horses may have less expressive facial features compared to Lubbers'. They often focus more on the overall grace and flow of the figure rather than the intense expressiveness seen in Lubbers' work.

4. **Use of Light and Shadow**: Baker often used a softer approach to light and shadow on his horses, which can give them a more polished and idealized look compared to the more dramatic and contrasting use of light and shadow by Lubbers.

In summary, while both artists were highly skilled, Lubbers' depiction of horses tends to be more realistic, detailed, and expressive, fitting his dynamic and dramatic style. Baker's horses, on the other hand, are more stylized, smooth, and elegant, aligning with his overall artistic approach.

 

 

 

And here’s a counter argument: historical evidence mentioned previously:

The cover of "Slash-D Doublecross" was illustrated by Matt Baker. This information is confirmed by historical records and comic book databases. Baker was a prolific artist known for his detailed and expressive style, which extended across various genres, including Westerns. For more details, you can refer to sources such as [MyComicShop](https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=369771) which lists the comic and credits Matt Baker for the cover art [oai_citation:1,Slash-D Doublecross (1950) comic books](https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=369771).
The cover of "Slash-D Doublecross" was omic books](https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=369771).

I’ll try uploading different images of horses and clothing and post the response. 
 

Happy Sunday everyone 

I asked ChatGPT (after uploading front cover photo ChatGPT credits Lubbers for the cover 🤷🏻‍♂️) I wanted to take a non human approach  to this debate 

More 🐴 talk below:

The depiction of the horse on the cover of "Slash-D Doublecross" by Bob Lubbers differs from the typical style of Matt Baker in several ways:

1. **Anatomy and Realism**: Bob Lubbers' horse exhibits a more realistic approach to anatomy, capturing the musculature and structure of the animal with accuracy. The horse's muscles, facial features, and proportions are rendered with a focus on realism, giving it a lifelike appearance.

2. **Dynamic Posing**: The horse is shown in a dynamic pose, emphasizing movement and action, which is consistent with Lubbers' overall dynamic composition style. The horse's rearing position and the flow of its mane and tail contribute to the sense of urgency and excitement in the scene.

3. **Expressiveness**: Lubbers' horse is highly expressive, with wide eyes and an open mouth, which helps convey the intensity and drama of the moment. This level of expressiveness adds to the overall emotional impact of the image.

4. **Detailing**: The detailing in Lubbers' horse is meticulous, with careful attention to the texture of the fur, the structure of the hooves, and the intricate elements of the bridle and reins. This level of detail enhances the realism and depth of the illustration.

In contrast, Matt Baker's horses often had a slightly more stylized and idealized look:

1. **Stylization**: Baker's horses sometimes leaned towards a more stylized form, with smoother lines and less emphasis on detailed anatomy. This approach can give his horses a sleek and graceful appearance, fitting with his elegant and fluid art style.

2. **Simplified Anatomy**: While Baker was skilled in anatomy, his horses might not exhibit the same level of anatomical detail and realism as Lubbers'. They often have cleaner, more simplified lines that contribute to a different aesthetic.

3. **Less Expressive Features**: Baker's horses may have less expressive facial features compared to Lubbers'. They often focus more on the overall grace and flow of the figure rather than the intense expressiveness seen in Lubbers' work.

4. **Use of Light and Shadow**: Baker often used a softer approach to light and shadow on his horses, which can give them a more polished and idealized look compared to the more dramatic and contrasting use of light and shadow by Lubbers.

In summary, while both artists were highly skilled, Lubbers' depiction of horses tends to be more realistic, detailed, and expressive, fitting his dynamic and dramatic style. Baker's horses, on the other hand, are more stylized, smooth, and elegant, aligning with his overall artistic approach.

On 5/24/2024 at 5:58 PM, Darwination said:

I was curious about this one (I mean, really, WTF) and found the best looking copy in the one that was scanned at the digital museums:

https://comicbookplus.com/?dlid=11684

There was a 3.5 that went at Heritage in 2022, but it's got a nice tape pull.

Now this alternate cover is a real mystery....Not as cool because lack of boy/dog hug but better with the full mushroom cloud.  I like the cloudless sky also in the primary cover

 

From GCD:

This is the special Teacher's Edition (Overstreet PriceGuide says "known to exist") which was sent to teachers inviting them to request copies to have in their classroom for educational purposes; it has an extra outerwrap cover which describes the book and has a coupon on the back to be cut out & mailed in.
 

On 5/23/2024 at 5:30 PM, Darwination said:

A boy and his dog

Andy and Spot 🐶 

Alternate cover (I found this on one of the forums on here)

3️⃣

Small chip outer edge fc

fc is glossy 

Many thx

Chips bottom fc and bc

Tear upper right bc

Thanks

On 4/29/2024 at 2:26 PM, Changer said:

imho they look like Ogden , the womens face seem too oval and sharp features and the clothing on both too stiff. Composition also awkward. 

The Paris Review - The Charming, Ridiculous Romance Comics of Ogden Whitney - The Paris Review

Thanks for sharing this

Thoughts on whether or not these covers are Baker’s ? (Not my photos) 

FYI: Diary Secrets 30  (sadly not mine)💰💰
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/364860747029?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=K4p9u-mcRRG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=DMHVUjbpQlq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Thanks in advance 

stain bottom right fc

sun shadow bc

On 4/23/2024 at 9:11 AM, LadyDeath said:

Wow.  Can't wait to see what this one commands.

Never seen this one … 

On 4/17/2024 at 9:37 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

Yes, it largely reprints stories from the Charlton Betsy Crane and Cynthia Doyle titles.

More about the UKPVs here, Mavrick:

https://boards.cgccomics.com/blogs/entry/4897-charlton-comics-uk-price-variants/

Lovely book 

Thank you 😊 

Very thorough and insightful analysis! 🤯 

On 4/17/2024 at 3:12 AM, Get Marwood & I said:

Yes - it's lovely 

The images are a little blurry, but I could see CGC going to 7.0 and beyond if there is no surface wear.

Thx I don’t know much about it other than that it looks like it’s a reprint of stories and it’s a UK variant…

Thanks!

On 3/26/2024 at 11:28 AM, zzutak said:

Is it really 52 pages (12 interior wraps, 24 interior leaves, or 48 interior pages)?  Most post-WECA Canadian editions I've seen from this era are only 36 pages (8 interior wraps, 16 interior leaves, or 32 interior pages).

It has 48 interior pages. Inside fc and bc are blank. 

Not sure re: rarity, haven’t seen it posted in a while   

On 3/26/2024 at 11:28 AM, zzutak said:

Is it really 52 pages (12 interior wraps, 24 interior leaves, or 48 interior pages)?  Most post-WECA Canadian editions I've seen from this era are only 36 pages (8 interior wraps, 16 interior leaves, or 32 interior pages).

Interesting. Will run a page count when I get back from travel. Thx

Bit of background info: this is the Canadian Edition printed by EXPORT Pun Ent Ltd. Haven’t been able to track down any info on it. 

Thx in advance