Logan510

I WANT THIS. I WANT AN SS COPY OF THIS!!! well I doubt I have anything close to a 9.8 candidate, but I do have a few copies left of it... I wouldn't mind reading a copy

Yeah, I recognize it's a tough position to take. He's been vilified for a long time. But I just feel like someone needs to defend the guy. Or at least his peak work. He's made plenty of mistakes, and some of his art really is quite bad, but if you can't even acknowledge the quality of his best work, there's just something wrong. At least give him the credit he's due. That's fair I will give him all the credit he's due. He's about the most successful mainstream superhero artist who has the least amount of talent.

Byrne on Liefeld: "Right there I suspect you sum up the reason behind Liefeld's "success" -- what Larry Hama so aptly dubbed "copiability". Liefeld's art is really, really, really, really, really easy to copy. It holds out hope to even the worst artists that they, too, can make a successful career in comics. After all, if the work is splashy enough, clearly it does not actually need to be good. "

OK, here's what's ridiculous about this whole thread. The topic was "What is your Favorite Art,Drawing or story by Rob Liefeld?" It wasn't a thread about "who don't you like" or "what makes good art" or any of the many places most of the vitriol would fit in. It was an honest question that has now had a small handful of posts related to the topic and about 15 pages of trolls that come out of the woodwork to mock someone they don't like. Yeah, I'm an unabashed fan of the work Liefeld did when I was a kid. It was great, especially when you have the perspective to remember how formulaic and identical most comics were back then. I suspect none of you know the guy, I suspect none of you follow his work, and I'm almost certain none of you have done anything with your lives worthy of this soapbox you're preaching from. If you're John Byrne or Sal Buscema or Jack Kirby and know what it's like to actually produce comics for 25 years, sure, your opinion would be interesting to hear. But I doubt any of you have produced even a single comic in your life. I don't go jumping on a thread for an artist I don't like just to mock him and his fans. It's juvenile. Some of us actually wanted to have a chat about Liefeld art and what we enjoyed. Instead we have the comic book equivalent of the Westboro Baptist Church picketing out front.. I don't really see much difference between most of these posts and the same things I see from those vilifying gays and minorities and women. People hiding behind masks and mocking someone to satisfy their own small egos:) After all these years I've finally been able to pinpoint what I don't like about Liefeld's work. My small ego.

I haven't seen a lot of this stuff in years. I'd forgotten how bad he actually was...wowsers! When he inked himself, it looked like really bad fan art.

The industry needed a fall guy and too bad Liefeld was "it". Young guy who did not know any better got thrown under the bus. IMHO speculators who bought comics instead of investing in their retirement should share the blame as well - if there is demand, marvel, image, dc, et al will keep printing regardless of qualiity Voice of reason. Wow. Liefeld as innocent victim. I don't think I've heard that one before.

You should've asked for a foot sketch then, just to see his reaction. Have you ever heard the story of when Art Adams tried to teach him how many teeth are in a human mouth? No, what happened? Apparently Rob asked Art for some advice about his work and Art made him sit down and open his mouth while Art counted out loud how many teeth Rob had. A friend of mine swears he saw this happen in person.

Haha, nah, just someone who appreciates his work from the early 90s. Not saying I dig his current stuff. Not saying I don't think he's done some horrible things in his career(poaching artists, not hitting deadlines, not improving as an artist, etc), But when he first arrived? He was unlike most of what was in comics. He created a clone army singlehandedly and was the poster-child(good and bad) for comics. If you grew up in that era there's no way you didn't admire him. A young 20 year old kid drawing one of the top selling books? You can hate him now, but back then he was quite impressive. Oh, and thanks to all you haters, it just makes his work that much more affordable to buy:) You guys can mock me all you want, but I'll be laughing all the way to the bank:) I would never put someone down for their taste in a particular comic book artist. I might snicker a little, but never put down And yes, it was impressive that someone with so little talent was able to be that successful. I will readily admit that.

Thank you, captain obvious. No problem, colonel passive-aggressive. Hey, I've gone up in rank! You've done good work. Now it's getting to be serious business.

Thank you, captain obvious. No problem, colonel passive-aggressive. Hey, I've gone up in rank!

Thank you, captain obvious.

You should've asked for a foot sketch then, just to see his reaction. Have you ever heard the story of when Art Adams tried to teach him how many teeth are in a human mouth?

No artist is perfect and you can find something even a little wrong in almost any piece. The difference between Liefeld and lets say...a good artist is that the good artist knows what he's doing and Liefeld obviously doesn't.

I understand that's what he said (I'm taking your word for it), but Art Adams isn't the first thing that comes to mind. It looks nothing like Adam's work. Greg Capullo work on Spawn was basically a copy of McFarlane's style. There are a lot of artists who basically copy other's style. Liefeld's work is unique (or distinct or whatever you want to call it)...good or bad is preference. ***I'm not taking into account how he destroyed the comic book industry or how he shafted local comic shop owners (a subject I need to read up on)...strictly talking about his art work. It looks nothing like Adams's work because he's a terrible artist. I can still see ( especially in his earlier work ) where he was trying hard...at least on a superficial level, to look like Adams.

That's a joke...right? Even Liefeld has called his style " a monthly version of Art Adams". He wishes! Of course...but that's what he was trying to go for. Calling his style "unique" is just silly as no one works in a vaccum.

The problem starts and ends with this YOU ARE SELLING MULTIPLE COPIES OF THE SAME BOOK WITHOUT DIFFERENTIATING THEM FROM EACH OTHER. Break them out individually. Label them A, B, C, or whatever. Put a grade on each. Stop being a lazy seller. +1

That's a joke...right? Even Liefeld has called his style " a monthly version of Art Adams".

Rob did not destroy the industry by being a bad artist. He contributed to destroying the industry by soliciting books that effectively were vaporware and causing LCS's to tie up money in ordering product that never came out or came out months after it was supposed to.

This is a comic book movie where I hope they deviate from the source material.

I have a question, why are you so eager to stay here? Money and cool books. So many here have given up every ounce of integrity or sense of decency in the pursuit of both. It is shameful and embarrassing but hey, at least some despicable people can have friends on the internets because they sell cool books. Not really a community I am feeling I want to be associated with all that much and that is sad. I agree, but I like to think the majority of the community feels the same way and will continue to let a good deal pass by before giving up their integrity. You've only been here a year, give it time. true dat! there is no shortage of modern variant collectors that will line up to buy from Symbiotic via PM even if he declared "I am done". Heck they have no problem buying from him openly if he starts a sale thread right now. The mantra here is "hey, as long as you haven't screw me, you are COOL...with me...so screw someone else and I am fine" Unfortunately, I have seen this far too many times. I remember I had been complaining to a friend of mine about the latest hot deal I had lost to someone else, and I had finished up by saying something like "well, you know, I got over it, I realized I could live without it", and he just looked at me and laughed and said quite correctly "you can live without any of it". I'll always love him for that clarity. I know business has always been business, buy cheap and sell dear, as they used to say, but I do think that with all the variants, exclusives, limited editions, sketch covers and generally all the artificial production of scarcity that defines today's market, it has encouraged the grasping profit seeking as a kind of game. The production of artificial scarcity, there is probably a better way to put it, but for me that has brought out some of the worst features of the market place. Very well said, and I agree. I responded to someone last night that I think Spider-Man #1 may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, or literally busts this bubble. How in the world did Marvel not learn from the X-Force/X-Men glut of the early 90's It's seems an endless cycle from Anthropomorphic B&W tutlesesque, to X-Men/X-Force polybagged multiple copy, to Semi-Porn female pin-up cover girls, to sketcharo New 52, Image #1 next WD, and I am sure there were many before, some I missed, with more to come. Read and collect what you like and enjoy. The rewards will come, sometimes that even includes money. They would love for it to happen again. They would kill for the numbers they were selling back then.

I have a question, why are you so eager to stay here? Money and cool books. So many here have given up every ounce of integrity or sense of decency in the pursuit of both. It is shameful and embarrassing but hey, at least some despicable people can have friends on the internets because they sell cool books. Not really a community I am feeling I want to be associated with all that much and that is sad. I agree, but I like to think the majority of the community feels the same way and will continue to let a good deal pass by before giving up their integrity. You've only been here a year, give it time. true dat! there is no shortage of modern variant collectors that will line up to buy from Symbiotic via PM even if he declared "I am done". Heck they have no problem buying from him openly if he starts a sale thread right now. The mantra here is "hey, as long as you haven't screw me, you are COOL...with me...so screw someone else and I am fine" Unfortunately, I have seen this far too many times.

I have a question, why are you so eager to stay here? Money and cool books. So many here have given up every ounce of integrity or sense of decency in the pursuit of both. It is shameful and embarrassing but hey, at least some despicable people can have friends on the internets because they sell cool books. Not really a community I am feeling I want to be associated with all that much and that is sad. I agree, but I like to think the majority of the community feels the same way and will continue to let a good deal pass by before giving up their integrity. You've only been here a year, give it time.

Does someone have a link to the vote? The only one I could find was Jimmy nominating himself for the PL ( I voted yes ).

It will get swept under the rug as long as the shill-seller can pimp sweet, cool books.

Sword Quest: Waterworld. I've been looking for a copy of this for nearly 30 years. Any George Perez fan worth their salt knows that this is one of the hardest George Perez books to find.