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On 8/26/2021 at 12:55 AM, Bryan Whiting said:

Someone was talking about a discussion at the national, saying they talked to a CSG rep who said you can't get a 10 grade with CSG without paying for sub grades. In the same discussion someone else had said they'd subbed a card twice to CSG - a 9 the first time, resubbed and paid for sub grades and got a 10.

Just wondering if it is accurate that a 10 can only be given if sub grades are selected? Thanks 

 

not true i seen a ton of csg reveals lots of tens with no subs, never seen a perfect 10 without subs tho to be determined i guess

On 9/26/2021 at 10:12 AM, Mg23 said:

Anybody looking to buy a Jordan rookie?

how much? 

its legit the blotchy ink is a dead give away for real 86 and 87 fleer, the red in soaks intho the paper, a fake will be solid red no blotchyness and look real close behind the stats the pink should be very tiny picapated dots not solid pink, impossible to fake unless faker works for fleer ha 

Its real! the 86 n 87 fleer red is blotchy like that and fhe nba ball, bulls eye are good ways to tell, but the pink under the stats look real close it should look like tiny dots not solid, theres a few pages that help with the 86 n 87 jordan real vs fake to help but looks real, id have to see it in person to be 💯, good luck n congrats 

i gotta alot of vintage in pristine shape wit those rough edges from the way the card was cut, im choosing not to submit sux ya take good care of your mess n in the end the manufacturer messes up the value 

On 10/26/2021 at 12:54 PM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

If that's the case, that's pretty impressive grading. A Perfect grade must literally be just that!

everything perfect from the eye is a 9 at csg to get a 10 gotta be perfect under 10x microscope a perfect 10 is just that perfect 😬

On 4/23/2021 at 11:31 PM, DHoey07 said:

I’ll start by saying that I’ve never looked this close at my cards in the past and I’m starting to notice little things. I have a 1989 topps traded Aikman that I thought was perfect. Crisp corners, pristine edges, good centering, etc. but upon further inspection, it has an ink stain on the bottom border of the card. A small pink, red spot that I’m sure came from the pack that way. How far will it drop the overall grade of the card in your opinion? 
 

thanks, Danny
 

 

i got alot of ink stains in late 80s jordans and Montana rookies im hoping it doesnt effect the grade to much goodluck 

roller marks and print lines def a problem lately i threw out a pack of panini select because of full length lines through all the cards, sux the collectors literally pay for the manufacturer mistakes especially after pulling a valuable card, some brands n years will never 10 like the 87 fleer baseball griffey rookie very rare for a centered 10 

On 8/26/2021 at 12:59 PM, jsrva said:

They are also getting some decent shine on social media lately from Hobby influencers.

 

yeah alot of you tubers loyal to csg which is good for increasing value and there starting to grade more high end cards then the early reveals 

On 8/25/2021 at 3:53 PM, nbuff52 said:

CSG is doing everything right in terms of grading (turnaround times etc. are another matter).  Their slabs are the best in hand, and yet look the worst on a desktop or mobile.  PSA is very entrenched and it will take a long time for anyone to catch up.  But CSG is grading fairly, maybe even a bit too tough, and then putting your card in the best quality slab.  And then they are selling for barely above raw lol.  It makes no sense, but here we are.  The only way for all prices to rise on CSG slabs is if a bunch of 10s go for big money, but there is no market being set because the 10s are so scarce.  And maybe, MAYBE, the flip looks a little clunky with no subgrades on it.  Sorry, I'm all over the place here.  So bottom line: smart money is buying up cheap CSG slabs now for long term hold (for the investors). Quick flips is for SGC.  PSA and BGS are a sh!tshow and yet will remain #1 and 2 for the foreseeable future.  HGA is a joke, and yet if they go to just being a custom slab company (and not a grading company) they may come out looking like the smartest people in the hobby. End diatribe 

i think sgc is terrible for flipping they been around a while and there slabs still sell for dog, whats that say bout sgc i think when psa comes back there done and csg values gonna surpass them, only reason sgc is still going now is desperation of flippers who need to move cards fast but taking big hits, csg values on good cards arent that bad for new company at all, csg 9.5s n 10s are climbing fast, its already a presence on ebay with csg slabs more prevalant every week, ill take that new fcg over sgc but fcg is lacking is security of there slabs no bar codes no security feature but really tufff graders 

On 8/26/2021 at 12:59 PM, jsrva said:

They are also getting some decent shine on social media lately from Hobby influencers.

 

that card looks great in a csg slab i been picking up alot of green refractors to match csg, i like green refractors anyway there almost always serial numbered which means low pop count for me 

i like csg for vintage i seen a few csg vintage reveals seem pretty fair not too harsh at all, sometimes i wander bout fresh out the pack 87 topps why they dont do better but paper junk wax tuff i guess, I got some vintage plan on grading soon early 80s to late 80s i personally look for old boxes for sale to help prevent altered or fakes not 100 proof but helps, raw vintage on ebay makes me nervous but sometimes you can vet vintage collectors on IG or ebay there typically more passionate bout the hobby and enjoy buying selling n talking classic cards, Amazon got vintage too more expensive but worth it 

On 9/27/2021 at 1:48 PM, Yeahiwasder4dat said:

Can't get a Perfect 10 w/o subs. Seems a little suspect.

5 days, and $10 a card?

not really itll say perfect 10 instead of pristine 10,   5$ a card for subs would be better I like subs especially if ya get an uneexpected grade i wanna see where i got hit,  most likely itll be surface ha 

On 9/10/2021 at 12:06 PM, T_Rout10 said:

I would like the pop report so that we can see that they are the toughest graders officially. I like the slabs and will submit here regardless. Pop report would help to show that 9.5 and the rare 10 are exceptional and help with resale, i dont know. Personally I think it will be good to know what cards people are submitting, and to compare grades. Just my opinion. 

agree im looking foward to a pop report any data is good data and you can use psa's pop report with the csg pop report for even more precise data. Also I think itll be cool for loyal csg collectors that have been here from the start watch the numbers climb from the beggining and the card trends of csg collectors, im excited i think csg is a smart play with smart collectors who are thinking long term and a pop report will positively motivate csg return customers, just my opinion 

On 9/13/2021 at 1:11 PM, ne1seenmykeys said:

I understand that you can and will say anything you want about CSG, but I'm going to explain to you how the real world works. 

If YOU are the one making a claim, then YOU have to be one that proves that claim, or else WE get to come on here and tell you how stupid it is that you are making unsubstantiated claims. 

Furthermore, just bc others are having delays, also, doesn't mean that CSG is doing what you claimed, "holding them until they feel like it." 

So, again, go ahead and say any and everything you want, but just know that once you do others are going to ask for proof of your claims, and "just look at other posts on here" doesn't prove a GD thing except to show others how comically inept you are at using logic and avoiding fallacies. 

doesnt make sense csg is holding cards, 2 major grading companies are suspended and at the same time the hobby had a huge boom with tons of new collectors grading cards that never have before csg, sgc, are getting tons of volume right now, HGA has a lottery system just to grade cards, no one is holding cards hostage there swamped and dont wanna over hire because when psa n beckett come back there volume is gonna decrease substantially, when psa n beckett return will see what is what. personally i like csg because they been around since 87" and when psa returns I think csg has the best chance of sticking around especially wit the fanatics relationship

Etopps are great looking cards, the 2008 Max Scherzer rookie is extremely rare and one of his best rookies, I personally just bought a 2004 etopps tom brady refractor cause it has an extemely low pop count, I wouldnt hesistate on em, there low pop all around and almost niche' to the hobby alot of older collectors really appreciate that blip of etopps cards, if you find a max scherzer rc etopps for under $200 hmu asap ha 

On 11/13/2021 at 6:09 AM, Kon_Jelly said:

thank you! its not a myth! it is possible it seems like surface is the catagory that prevents so many csg 10s which is crazy, ya open the pack put it in a sleeve n mail it and ya get wacked for an 8 on surface! ha nice card tho glad ya got subs to show it off too a true 10!

On 11/13/2021 at 4:10 PM, BMLCC said:

That is purely semantics. The current value of a card is how much a collector is willing to pay for it in todays marketplace. A Pristine CSG 10 is selling for less then a PSA 10 in the market today. It really doesn't matter what PSA is calling their 10's the grading is the same and the value is set by the consumer. My point is BGS has been doing this for years and their 10's sell for less then PSA on average as well. It is a failed model if the goal is to dethrone PSA at the top of the industry.  

On 11/13/2021 at 4:10 PM, BMLCC said:

That is purely semantics. The current value of a card is how much a collector is willing to pay for it in todays marketplace. A Pristine CSG 10 is selling for less then a PSA 10 in the market today. It really doesn't matter what PSA is calling their 10's the grading is the same and the value is set by the consumer. My point is BGS has been doing this for years and their 10's sell for less then PSA on average as well. It is a failed model if the goal is to dethrone PSA at the top of the industry.  

its a good point! its all consumer perception and the simple inevitable fact that 10 is greater then 9 will continually keep psa values higher. Im assuming csg is hoping over time the csg 9.5 will have equal value to the psa 10 and there perfect 10 will be thee most valuable of that particular card possible!! will collectors perceive csg that way in the future with all this competition who knows i hope so i like the clear csg slab  

On 6/30/2021 at 12:00 PM, Mark Schlosberg said:

I thought overall the grading was fair. I had a spreadsheet I made for myself where I put what I thought the grade should be to compare with what came back. Of the ones where I was off, about 2/3 I under graded and 1/3 I over graded, but none by more than a grade. The exception was a 1969 leaders card I thought was would get a 7 or 8 and ended up with a 5 and I still can't figure out why. I don't think the grades were consistently a grade higher than SGC/PSA or anything like that. 

thanx for sharing got some vintage i was thinkin bout,was really curious bout that 87 greg maddox nice cards dig that pete rose 

I seen csg 9.5's and csg 10s selling for equal too or more then psa its not super common but with the right cards people will pay, even wit csg 9's im sure dudes are thinkin ill buy a csg 9 crack it and try n get a psa 10 for top value, csg values are going up, when psa comes back and turn around times improve for csg itll be exciting what happens with grading 

On 11/11/2021 at 3:06 PM, BMLCC said:

I think they are currently grading a little too harshly. I am have sent in 150+ cards and have received a 10 on less then 1% of submissions. I understand that they are trying to make a name for themselves as a true competitor at the top end of the hobby but it feels like they are using the 9.5 grade a tool to keep their percentage of 10's down and not grading each card on its own merits. This is just a feeling I have gotten so far. The bottom line for me is collectors send their cards in for 2 reasons. To protect them and to increase the value of the card. In the current market place PSA 10 is selling for more than a CSG 10 and obliterating 9.5. Saying that, it makes total sense that a PSA 10 is selling for the most. They have been the kings of the industry for years now and hopefully a company comes along as a direct challenge. My main concern for CSG is they have apparently modeled their business after the BSG model and that model has proven to be inferior to PSA over a significant amount of time. I intend to holding my CSG's and hopefully I am wrong but copying the BSG model to me was a mistake for CSG, but only time will tell.

interesting thought, but is it possible to use the psa type scale and still use .5's ? i think most collectors like .5's and psa is about 70% 10s on modern type cards its ridiculous your paying for the brand not the card, Im curious has anyone ever got a perfect 10 at csg not a pristine a perfect 10? it should be possible after all we take good care of the cards we are not the manufacturer we just open the packs we dont make them 

i think csg has the best chance if they improve turnaround times, they gotta keep the big collectors happy, some guys submitting multiple bulk orders, who have a youtube channel and lots of influence in the hobby can make or break a company, quallity goes a long way but gotta keep the cards moving or just gonna be another 3 letter label other then psa, csg values will continue to climb with return customers and good cards 

On 6/5/2021 at 2:16 PM, nickdrizzle said:

I hate the look of their slabs, otherwise I would prob give them a shot 

me too i wish i didnt! i would definantly go to them ha but i cant help it i hate the tuxedo case 

On 11/11/2021 at 10:42 AM, Kon_Jelly said:

I have a card that is missing information from the label. Here's the card:

 

None of the information is incorrect, but this is the "kneeling" image variation, which is a short print. Is this something that can be corrected via the "mechanical error" submission? 

nice card!! 

On 11/10/2021 at 10:45 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

I'm submitting to CSG (and buying their graded cards) as a long term play. With the Blackstone acquisition and already established partnership with Fanatics, the future is bright for CSG. They're the only grading company positioned to compete with PSA in the long term (5+ years from now). Flippers and the short sighted don't understand this and shouldn't concern themselves with it. Let them focus on PSA, but CSG is going to catch up, it's just going to take a while.

i agree i think there in the best position to be around long term and the fact they been around since 1987 gives me a little comfort too, the csg values on ebay seem to be going up a little more every month the more good cards collectors see in csg holders the more will submit and values will reflect accordingly, def gonna take a little time but already seeing a csg presence on ebay a few Lebron rookies in csg holders could make all csg values go up it gives the grader validity