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On 4/8/2022 at 4:50 PM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

Why would you send them 6.5s and 7s? Cards like that might gem at PSA, but they won't at a company that actually has standards. If these had been 8.5s and 9s and you missed by a little, I'd be more understanding. But if you expected 6.5s and 7s to be 9s and 9.5s, you might not be as sharp a collector and grader as you think you are.

those 1990 Jordans are not easy grades, Psa theres only 400 psa 10's out of 8000 of the base, and similiar to the allstar, the other looks like an 89 also super tough grades, chances are csg were accurate on them, Its a $20 box of hoops your gonna crack and resend for an 8.5!! 😂😂 sorry man but your better off buying a few boxes and looking for a gem then keep regrading especially if your plan is to sub at Psa for $100 a pop, Should think about these things before goin in the garage n cracking all your slabs, that jordan is worthless unless its a 10 anyway 6,7,8,9 makes no difference, just trying to save you money and effort, Good luck 

On 2/17/2022 at 8:05 PM, Jordancards said:

Totally agree, I wish I never sent cards in. I get as much for raw cards as CSG graded cards. Even 9.5 or 10's don't command much. I have collected for over 30 years. I have seen many grading companies go belly up over the years. CSG will eventually join that list.

ill bet ya a T. Brady rookie they dont! 🤝 unless Russia bombs us then bet is off 

On 2/8/2022 at 12:27 AM, Jaesin said:

Oh ok thats not bad then. "I meant had some 9.5s gem mint, not 10s". Obviously you know what I meant. I really appreciate you letting me know this man. Thank you 💪

ya say ya screened your cards and went through them but how do you screen your cards without even looking at the scale and grading criteria, who pays for 125 cards to be graded and dont know that there 9.5 is a gem mint at the time. for ex. a psa 10 is 60/40 centering and csg is 50/50 all around or was now there 55/45 around its a huge difference, not including criteria for corners and surface, ya cant expect 10's if your sending in the wrong cards that dont meet there requirements. Csg is new not gonna get a huge Roi there more of a longterm play or very card specific 

On 3/7/2022 at 4:50 PM, Kon_Jelly said:

You lose points for your set names. 😂

curious how there gonna do the player set, 10 spots im assuming best player set overall because theres so many sports and catagories, looks like the Tom Brady set is pretty impressive, i thought i might have a chance at Tom Brady if i get all mine subbed in by june but he has some huge cards, nice job to that dude!  

On 3/4/2022 at 4:56 PM, Maribeth 1694433772 said:

You can read the announcement here.

CSG is excited for the first-ever CSG Registry Awards, and we hope you are too. More than $7,000 in prizes will be awarded this year.

This year, 10 sets will be selected for Best Sets of the Year!

Those winners will receive a personalized plaque, an icon of recognition next to their CSG Registry set and a $500 CSG grading credit. They will also receive a CSG-certified card with a special label and pedigree worth approximately $100. Winners will be announced July 29, 2022.

The CSG Registry awards are open to all CSG Registry participants. To participate in the CSG Registry, visit CSGCards.com/Registry, register your certified sports cards, and create a competitive set. It’s free and easy to join.

Important Notes:
There will be a temporary freeze on slot requests and score correction requests beginning at 10 a.m. ET on June 1, 2022.
The deadline to update your CSG Registry sets before they are considered for awards is 10 a.m. ET on July 1, 2022.

On 2/11/2022 at 2:16 PM, robotur said:

Just got this Serena Williams card back from CSG.  Sub grades are:

Corners 9

Centering 9

Edges 7

Surface 4

The overall grade was 4.5.  CSG seems very harsh on surface and there seems to be an overweighting of the surface category.  With 9's for centering and corners I expected the overall grade to be higher.  What are others experience on surfaces grading?

 

 

 

A surface of 4 your missing something big, happens to the best of us? 

On 3/28/2022 at 10:29 PM, rthodges said:

The ratio we used to get 9.5’s are hopefully now going to be the ratio we get 10’s.  Seems like this makes more sense than the previous scale where basically 10’s just don’t exist before 1990.  HGA was doing this stingy nonsense as well, but they don’t have quality slabs or a proactive marketing team to rebound from this mistake.

It already appears as if CSG is going to become a strict version of SCG; same grading system, just harsher grading (55:45 allowed for one side only?!).  SGC uses the 9.5 Mt+ scale.

The important part is 10’s need to be achievable.  The hobby demands it, otherwise they just stop grading with them.

edit:  I stand corrected on the 55:45 rule.  Either they loosened up on it or I misread it a few days ago.

yeah 55/45 all around, real happy about that, the appearence of 55/45 is still really good, especially with bowman chromes there slightly tilted at times hardly noticable, some brands are never 50/50 all around or extremely rare 

On 3/25/2022 at 6:01 PM, oluckydayo said:

It could be argued that of the 4 major players right now (BGS, PSA, CSG, SGC) that BGS is falling behind the others slowly as time goes on.

They are grading less cards per month/day, they just finally re-opened an affordable tier a couple of weeks ago.  They have a pretty severe backlog still with an ETA of a few months from now.    And they haven't had an acquisition or influx of investment like PSA/CSG has.

SGC has even overtaken them in many people's opinion as it relates to public perception, resale value, and vintage grading.  

Whether we like it or not, I think the hobby and public have spoken that the BGS method is less preferable than the others.   CSG here has at least found a bit of a of a balance.  Give a 10 Gem Mint that compares with every other company's 10, and also retain the 'Perfect 10' to give a chase grade that is rarely seen.

I dont think Bgs is as out of the loop as people think, sgc is grading more volume currently but there still trusted with the biggest cards in the hobby, they still have a solid foundation of collectors who will only go to them with monster cards for the look of the slab and trusted grading established over a long period of time. Its gonna take Sgc and Csg a long time to get to that level but I think csg is in the best position to get there. Sgc been around since 1998 if they could they would! Agree the scale change was 100% nessacary to compete tho, especially when psa opens bulk csg needed this or it could of gotten scary! now ya got the price point an awesome slab and the scale to boot.. I think a color change for the perfect 10 from csg would be cool, maybe a hologram flip??? 

On 3/28/2022 at 12:10 PM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

The other problem with subgrades is this Min Gem vs True Gem malarkey. PSA and SGC were so smart to not provide subgrade transparency and keep things simple. Good riddance...

now when ya get a perfect 10 with subgrades you can say true perfect 10 🤷‍♂️ 

On 3/28/2022 at 11:35 AM, Scottish Punk said:

My take with the subs.  They slow the process down in two ways.  One is just simply the transcribing of the data entry throughout the process.  The other and more time consuming part which is the grading.  I think people are mistaken in that they grade the same way with our without subs.  WIth subs, they are grading the four parts individually and than coming up with the grade as you describe.  I think the current way and without subs is that they look for flaws and just kind of deduct from gem from there.  You don't need to be as precise with his component.  Card looks great outside of soft corner and slightly off center.  Give it a 9.  Don't need to worry about scoring 10,9.5,9,9 or whatever.

Way back when I first started grading, I loved Beckett and their subs.  I come to realize the subs just aren't worth the hassle.  Instead of one subjective grade, now you get 4.  Also, it makes really focus in on the one sub that is bad instead of just seeing a "9" (if one sub is 8.5 for example).  This causes you want to upgrade or resend in a perfectly great card to try to get a bump on one sub.  The only thing the subs are good for is to give you an idea on what the issue was that kept it gem.  Like realizing CSG blasted me on surface for a lot of Chrome/Prizm that kept cards to a 9.

well said!!  I can see how subs could slow things at first i thought there doing it anyway whats the big deal but recently i seen a hga vid and the subs were all over and just didnt correlate, Csg's although harsh at times were on point csg werent just throwing numbers out they were meticulously grading each area and then the card as a whole, when grading a card with out subs ya start at a perfect 10 and each imperfection drops ya down accordingly sounds much faster then subgrades, I will miss subgrades tho I was learning how to screen my cards better now i wont have a clue why i got dinged, i always found the issue wit the subgrade now ill be staring at a 7 for an hour scratching my head! 😵‍💫

On 3/28/2022 at 11:15 AM, Glen Campbell said:

I actually don’t have any cards that I feel would qualify to make the jump from 9.0 to 9.5.

I am just trying to make sense of the change.

if 20% of all submissions paid for subgrades, that is approx. 150k cards and roughly $1.5 million in revenue for CSG.  If, rough guess, 30% of old Mint 9.0 should qualify for the new 9.5 Mint+, I think it is that the collectors who already paid a premium to get their cards graded with subs should have to crack and resubmit to get what was already earned.

It really would be as simple as creating a one time conversion chart for cards with sub grades over to the new scale that actually created a space for the 9.5 Mint+.

In regards to me loving my old 9.5s, I am okay with the change to a 10.  I just want it to make sense and right now it doesn’t.

your right i think if you return your cards for reholder and you have subgrades they should change it over for free I think thats fair,at least thats half!  I been saying since the beggining of csg that there 9 is more like mint plus because there 9.5 is a gem mint, csg green 9's are sharp cards and beat out any 9, your 100% right but i guess they drew the line at the gem mint grade, they have alot of obstacles with an updated pop report exc.. i guess a 9 to a 9 isnt the worst issue even if some cards with higher subs might qualify for a mint plus the overall grade was still a 9 and a 9 it will stay apparently, its a huge transition im sure bgs thought about changing there scale but been doing it for too long, theres gonna be unhappy customers, some guys on this thread graded over a thousand cards and gotta pay reholder and shipping fees, thats a hurt!! 

On 9/11/2021 at 7:32 PM, The Fonz said:

In deciding which grading company to send my cards; am I better off with one that grades harder or with one which utilizes a less rigid process? I have seen it stated in various venues that CSG is one of the "toughest" grading companies. This has it's obvious pros and cons. But, is it true? 

Pro - accurate quality assessment              Con - possible lower grade

 

right now there all kinda tuff, psa tough on corners but allows for 60/40 centering sometimes, csg tuffer on centering and harsh on surface but reguardless learn how to screen your cards really good and it wont matter where you send, because ya'll be subbmitting gems!! learn how to be meticulous look for every tiny speck of imperfection, get a magnify glass, a bright light, a centering tool and learn to prep your cards by wiping them down front and back,, it takes time you get a better eye over time, good luck 

On 1/7/2022 at 3:26 PM, Cardsharp1 said:

Ne1....thanks for the info and the education. So right now then my gut feeling is these graders know in order to retain customers they must return values at probably twice what it cost to send in a submission. In other words, they cant keep making money if their clients arent. For example if it cost me $600 on a bulk submission, CSG and others know if they want my business in the future i have to have at least a $1000 to $1200 return on investment. Am i wrong or what do you think about that??? I realize that a card is only what its worth. But if i cant send in good cards that score high i know to just keep them in my boxes. And i have another question for you after you respond to this one.

everyone grades for different reasons, I personally grade to protect the card for my PC but If see a card forsale i really want Ill have cards ready and slabbed that I can sell to get a better card, I sell raw cards too but for me with more expensive cards its easier to be transparent when selling graded cards, that way the buyer knows exactly what he or she is getting and cant complain. I grade high value cards but I also grade some cheaper cards if I think it will rise in value kinda fast for example a Bowman chrome auto you can find a prospect for $40 and could go up to a grand easy if your lucky, so i like to slab em fast keep em sharp and looking good and ready to sell if i choose.. everyone collects for different reasons or grades for different reasons, some just like the way a card looks slabbed, some collect, some flip and most do both., Whatever you do, do you the most successful collectors I met do there own thing and dont follow hype, they find a niche and it works for them.. learn how to screen your cards youtube reveals are great guys like subhub grading, deviation cards, bnp grading a bunch of channels go over what to look for how to give yourself a best chance for high grades.. goodluck 

On 3/27/2022 at 4:04 PM, Glen Campbell said:

I have two questions:

1.  How does a card that previously received a Gem Mint 9.5 transfer to a Gem Mint 10 when the description on the website is EXACTLY the same for the old Gem Mint 9.5 and the new Mint+ 9.5?  The old Pristine 10 description is almost identical to the new Gem Mint 10.  If my Gem Mint 9.5 didn’t meet the criteria for a Pristine 10, how does it meet the new criteria for a Gem Mint 10?

 

2.  How does an old 9.5 Gem Mint with three 9.5 subs and one 9.0 sub equal a new 10 Gem Mint, but an old 9.0 Mint with two 9.5 subs and two 9.0 subs NOT equal a new Mint+ 9.5?  If there is only 0.5 grade difference on one sub grade between a new Gem Mint 10 and a new Mint 9, then what the heck qualifies for a Mint+ 9.5?  You literally cannot get any closer than that!!!

you have a good point but its a new scale theres gonna be a few things that dont make 100% sense with a big transition, I would just take the gem mint 10 and be happy, instead of arguing for a 9.5 mint plus because of the old sub grades, if ya like your 9.5 so much then keep it!! it would be a logistical nightmare to regrade every card according to the old subgrades, its cool there turning 9.5 gems to 10 gems lets not get crazy, you can always crack n resub and try to get that 9 to 9.5 mint plus with the new scale, i think were gonna have to sub and relearn this new scale and the way csg is gonna grade going foward your right the 9.5 is still really strict still 

On 3/26/2022 at 1:47 PM, becker800 said:

This is a bit frustrating.  I just got 360 cards graded back in the last week that were submitted at the card show so i just submitted these 3 weeks ago. And a thousand others in the last 2-3 months I just got back.

And now we're expected to send every single 9.5 back in and pay $5 to get a 10 on it? Obviously we need to, for those not more involved in the business that don't know its the same card level. 

 

Out of over 1,000 cards. I got 2 pristine 10's. That was frustrating enough, now all these 9.5's wouldve been 10's on the new scale.

wow man, hopefully the new gem 10's and new flip get you more value on your resale to help soften the blow, its a big transition but hopefully down the line itll pay ya back, good idea reach out on the side maybe can get some grace when it comes to reholder fees because your a great customer with massive submissions, cause ya got shipping cost too Good Luck!!! 

On 3/25/2022 at 6:29 PM, Warner85 said:

Did this apply to old csg labels also? I thought you had to pay for subgrades for a chance to get a “perfect 10”. I have a pristine 10 graded card with no subs. Does that mean it had no chance at a Perfect 10?

if you didnt get subs you have a shot at a perfect 10, you had to get subs last time for the perfect 10

On 3/25/2022 at 5:36 PM, jdmtdcollector said:

I wish they included CSg 10 pristine into consideration and not juast bundling it with gem mint 10. Its very hard to get a CSG 10 and am very proud of my only one with more than 200+ subs. I am disappointed there but will definitely not reholder that and keep the old green label here. Plus, those of us who paid subgrades should not be charged a reholder fee since we paid the extra for subgrades

I would hold your pristine 10's, unless you didnt get subs and think you have a chance at a perfect 10, but if csg blows up and i think they will, i think the green pristine 10's will be a cool card to have and could increase value because its sharper then there gem mint 10, and agree if you got subs they should wave the reholder fee for that specific card 

On 3/26/2022 at 8:49 AM, Warner85 said:

Is there a picture of the Perfect 10 slab? Is it a different color label?

i never seen one i dont think itll be a different color it would be cool if it were gold or all black, curious to see what it looks like with the subs tho 

On 3/26/2022 at 5:48 PM, Daniel Hargreaves said:

What qualifies for the "mint plus 9.5" grade on the new grading scale out of the former grading scale? Would these be cards that graded "mint 9" that barely missed being graded a "gem mint 9.5" on the former grading scale, as evidenced by subgrades? EXAMPLE #1:  I have two cards that received "9 mint" with two subgrades of 9, and two subgrades of 9.5. EXAMPLE #2: I have a card that graded a "9 mint" with a subgrade of 8.5, two subgrades of 9.5, and a subgrade of 10. EXAMPLE #3: I have a card that graded "9 mint" with a subgrade of 8.5, a subgrade of 9.5, and two subgrades of 10. I am considering sending these cards in (along with my cards that graded "gem mint 9.5" on the former scale) to see if any of them would receive the new "mint plus 9.5," and any insight ahead of sending them in would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!

the 9.5 mint+ is pretty strict still, if ya think they can bump up .5, if its a high value card maybe crack and pay the 20$ fee instead of the $5 reholder, I would only bother of it were a big card ya'll probably have best luck with example 1, your not gonna get more then a 9 with a sub of 8.5 with the other 2 but who knows could get lucky 

On 3/25/2022 at 9:51 PM, oluckydayo said:

I believe they have the subgrades on file, whether you included them on slab or not.  So if they are 10/10/10/10 on file, it should be re-holdered with a Perfect designation.

i would think so, if you do that soon please post, really wanna see a perfect 10 in the new slab!! 

On 3/25/2022 at 4:36 PM, oluckydayo said:

I thought of this too, and considered the low-end grading angle.

I think you have to use a fairly neutral color or pick a defining color.  Gray/Black might invoke those companies, but that's where the name of CGC/CSG matters in driving the quality of the brand recognition.

Green was a bold but divisive choice, red is already used by PSA, and blue is used by CGC.   There aren't a lot of other directions to go when designing in a 1" x 4" space (unless they want to basically commit brand suicide and become HGA).

I think the label looks good all things considered and was a smart choice.

you see on the brady rc the csg part with blue n teal, is that a team card match? I agree i thought the green was a powerful brand color and reminds ya of sports but new one is nice and with there slab it more then works, is that card matching or are all slabs have that blue n teal? 

On 3/25/2022 at 4:33 PM, oluckydayo said:

You don't have to request subs on a perfect 10, they will be included for free if the card gets four 10 subgrades.

thats fantastic! thank you

On 3/25/2022 at 3:47 PM, JohnBurke said:

How is eliminating sub grades going to speed up turnover times? Come to think of it, how did it ever slow them down? Don’t graders need to take into account all 4 sub grade aspects to arrive at the final grade anyway?

kinda sux i really liked the subgrades I was learning exactly how they grade and how to improve, im curious about the perfect 10, it reads like you have to request a shot at the perfect 10 and if you do get the perfect 10 there will be subgrades with it? does that come at an extra fee with each card? I liked the green but new labels arent bad whatever but what you think about the scale change? I think its gonna be a total game changer for csg and the hobby It was absolutely nessacary because when psa opens bulk csg cant be giving out 9.5 gems its absolutley whats needed to compete with psa, i say psa because sgc cant compete with csg prices and sgc dont have the resale like psa does, major power move by csg they got the price point the slab and the man power to keep turn around times fast. Congrats Csg there goin for that number one spot and i think there gonna take it in the near future, but bring back the subs like ya said wtf so hard bout sub grades 😂

On 3/25/2022 at 3:46 PM, JohnBurke said:

This would make sense.. although I guess if you don’t have sub grades on a current green 9 then there would be no way to tell what it would get. And if they don’t even do sub grades now.. how would they even know? Come to think of it, how is eliminating sub grades going to speed up times, when you have to look at all 4 aspects anyway when grading it to arrive at the final grade? More confusing the more I think about it 

dont really need subgrades to determine, if a 9.5 is gem mint and they used the .5 grading scale before then technically all csg grades should move up .5, but it might stop at the 9 because they did call it a mint 9 and not a mint 9+,  i been saying this since csg came out that there 9 should be called a mint plus if there 9.5 is a gem, but id be happy with the 10 and the rest water under the bridge 

On 3/25/2022 at 3:12 PM, Jee Su Chang said:

They answered elsewhere that it would.

thats great I think thats gonna make alot of people happy seeing there 9.5's turn to 10's!  worth the 5$, so will a 9 be a 9.5 mint plus? 🤔 ha who cares a little curious tho