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On 10/1/2022 at 9:13 PM, Junk Wax Addict said:

Not sure what the problem with Kenny is.  This is at least the 3rd time he has posted this.  I asked him for pictures in one of his earlier posts and he never uploaded any.  I also told him that a 10 grade is generally not going to happen for a card of that vintage.  Also, even if it is a 10, that card is not what I would consider highly valuable or highly desired by the average collector.

you can try n help dudes new to the hobby but its tough to explain how stringent the grading process is even experienced collectors think theres a conspiracy against there cards ha 

On 9/28/2022 at 7:06 PM, Fischer P said:

Big Question For Admins, I had a bulk submission that showed received and entered into the system and after 11 business days of being on received, it just disappeared(9/28/2022). Was wondering if that was due to the affect of Hurricane Ian?

yea my cards werent checked in or verified for a while but looks like just came across as checked in, not sure how bad sarasota was hit but hopefully csg employees homes and lives werent affected, grading my cards seems so trivial when i think of the possibilty of there peope losing everything but there coming up as checked in now and hope csg employees keep there own collections safe and dry! 

On 9/22/2022 at 5:54 AM, KennyJames73 said:

After having my baseball cards after 15 years passed down from my step mother's brother, the cards weren't touched for 30+ years kept in good environment and I kept them safe from any natural disaster, I decided to go through them finally I found 2 Steve Carltons from 1985. Doing more research they are both Tiffany cards? Also one has a very weird border on it; it's like they just stamped it on and said good enough not sure if that's a mistake or not because my second card is more centered then the other does them being held with care, with gloves as I looked through them, as well as corners looking crispy as all can be have some value? I can't seem to find a PSA 10 with the border like the one I have. Does it increase in value or decreases it?

we need a picture to tell, but it sounds like the card is off center decreasing value, psa10 or csg 10 condition cards are very rare especially as old as steve carlton, the border has to almost perfect all the way around on front and back, Some products like 1981 topps might not have a perfectly centered card in the whole entire product it might have maybe 5 or 10 psa 10's in existence, and it would have to be stored right. A screw down holder or top loader without a sleeve is enough to damage a card with indentations, causing it to decrease in value, its very unlikely you have a 10 or close too

On 4/21/2021 at 1:10 PM, nburres said:

I want to send in a couple of 50's baseball cards but I'm worried about that too. They're slightly larger than modern cards.

if they're kosher they'll get graded but csg isnt gonna take a chance if they think a card might be trimmed, this hobby is unforgiving they miss one trimmed card influencers are all over youtube saying csg sux they missed a trimmed 1950 sandy koufax and submissions are cut in half ha 

On 9/20/2022 at 12:33 PM, Junk Wax Addict said:

Overall, I feel their grading is pretty consistent and fair, though there are always some head scratchers.  As for value, CSG is the best way for me to grow my vintage collection at such a rapid pace.  You can generally find nice CSG graded vintage baseball cards in the 6-8 grade range for 50-75% the cost of a similarly graded card from PSA.  My graded card collection is about 95% from CSG.  I have also sent a number of orders to them including vintage for grading.

yep its crazy buying high grade csg vintage for cheap all day, its weird the high end vintage does pretty good but a lot of csg vintage is a steal its wild ill see raw cards goin for the same price as a csg 8! Cant hit buy now fast enough like i never even seen that card in an 8 ha or im like maybe i can push it and find a 9 for super cheap on 60 or 70yr old card 

On 9/20/2022 at 10:16 AM, Kon_Jelly said:

I've only sent in one vintage card to be graded. It was a 1956 Hank Aaron white back. I had it pegged as a 7 before I sent it in, and that's exactly what it came back with:

sheesh! thats a clean Hank, cant tell from photo but looks like it coulda did even better, I have a tough time judging centering with small borders like that , might as well put this chat to good use and see how people are making out grading vintage, vintage gets left out of the grading conversation, been hearing csg kinda leniant compared to sgc not from the reveals i seen but only got 1 vintage card at csg now but plan on more 

Thoughts or experiences with Csg on vintage cards? compared to other graders? Csg vintage resale? Csg tough on vintage? Fair? Leniant? tough on some things easier on others? examples of vintage slabs, Overall do you like csg for vintage??? 

On 9/12/2022 at 7:08 PM, The_Reverend2831694433746 said:

It will say glossy on the back. 

really!! ha thank you! 

On 6/23/2022 at 3:38 PM, northkorea said:

I would say 3.5 or 4.

sux thats a pretty bad dent, got a fish eye under the R and its a little off, has decent eye appeal tho edges n corners pretty sharp ,  I agree wit north korea on the 3-4, the dent alone will bring you to around a 5 assuming rest of the card was a gem, 75 is a cool lookin hank 

On 8/15/2022 at 12:03 PM, ne1seenmykeys said:

Bruh jfc there are CLEAR printer roller marks on the card. It is obvious as soon as you see the card. You're lucky they only dinged you what they did. 

This card is consistent with their grading. You just don't like the result. 

its tough with a picture i almost gave up! i could be wrong but looks like linear dents near the signature, theres 2 running parallel lines that look pretty deep. Ive seen csg miss a few little things overgrade on a bad corner exc. nothin too crazy but Ive never seen them hit a card heavy for no reason, theres always a reason sometimes its tough to find like greening but its always something, Thanx for sharing 

On 8/12/2022 at 10:37 PM, northkorea said:

Fairly certain the Bush cards were 1990 Topps, and none would have ever been in packs.

def 1990 topps whatever were both familiar with the sets, not true there were 2 kinds the ones sent to the white house had a more glossier finish made special for the president,  others were released with the typical 1990 topps feel and finish both kinds were graded by psa both are legit 

On 5/4/2022 at 11:23 PM, The_Reverend2831694433746 said:

i got that fleer retro KD i cant tell if its glossy or not? any signs or marks or anything? 

On 7/21/2021 at 6:38 PM, BigE1965 said:

Hi 

Received my submission of 60 vintage basketball cards, mostly 1970s standard sized cards. The slabs are very nice, feel good and i love how crystal clear they are. I also like the digital images where I can see so many of the defects the cards had that are difficult to see without the high-tech equipment. So I understand the tough grades I received when I had the cards pre-graded a bit higher.

About 11-12 of my cards have an inner sleeve/penny sleeve still in them. Why is that? 

It is strange because many of the cards are from the same year, i.e. 1972 Topps, and some have the sleeve and others do not. In one case where 2 of the same cards were submitted and one was encapsulated with the sleeve and the other was not.    So they are the same standard card size and it looks like they used different inner rails for aligning the cards. It is just very inconsistent, almost random, especially when they are cards from the same year.

 The inner-sleeve does not reflect well in the light. It shows off kind of wavy. I would have preferred all my cards to be encapsulated naked.

 

i just submitted a 72 pistol pete i hope it doesnt have the sleeve on it! ill be pissed especially if it grades well 

On 8/10/2022 at 7:27 PM, northkorea said:

Bush cards weren't in the packs, I don't think.

the proset dessert storm cards were, I got mixed up the george bush card in his yale uniform was 91 topps baseball, 100 were made a small portion went to packs most of em were distributed to the whitehouse, but his chief of staff at the time was an avid card collector he stole most of em and sent them to psa to get graded ha He knew they were gonna be a fortune because they were so rare no one cared that he took them 

On 8/4/2022 at 5:33 AM, KennyJames73 said:

I recently got my hands on all mint 1991 football Topps pro set series 1 cards, 2 boxes of the silver anniversary limited edition football cards, and the 1991 series 1 platinum football cards. Are any worth getting them turned in for grading? Players include A LOT of hall of famers Montana, Smith, Irvin, both Sanders, the Nigerian nightmare, LT, Walker, Toon, and many MANY more that I recognize that are Hall of Famers now. All prestine and put into sleeves accordingly. Any feed back would be appreciated!

nah probably the most over printed cards ever, but also one of the most interesting sets of all time because if all the strange cards they put in there and error cards, maybe a gem santa clause or the george bush senior card, read about the set and look up the rare cards maybe ya'll get lucky only thing i would grade from those boxes I think there is a montana short print i forget 

On 7/26/2022 at 8:08 PM, D.L. said:

The cards in my recent order that the CSG grader labeled as EV, cannot be accurate. I know they put the face of a recent collector bearded guy as the expert on their website. I assume he sits in an office all day. Whoever graded my cards is a someone off the street who read a powerpoint and has zero experience because I have had these cards all my life and KNOW they were never altered in any way so this unfortunately tells me to go back to the real pros in the business and let the amateurs have their fun. Sayonara.

they are always gonna be cautious, if csg sees a $50,000 vintage card under magnification and it was cut weird or whatever, they cant take your word for it so there is doubt, so they label it EV no harm no fail but if it was altered and it gets out once or more then once that they graded a fake or altered card everything csg did gets destroyed, they only been grading sports a year, csg wouldnt be able to recover from such bad PR. Some things in any career arent 100% some things no matter how skilled you are at a proffession are not  %100 accurate. Psa n bgs are they the real pros? Sgc? all been out for over 20years if they grade a fake card or trimmed once in a blue its understandable Csg just starting out no room for error at this stage for them. 

On 7/28/2022 at 8:57 PM, Elvon said:

Does anyone know how many perfect 10s have been given so far? Since CSG crossed the millionth card graded??

idk but i seen a guy get 6 on a reveal so its possible 

On 7/14/2022 at 1:46 AM, Thomas J Beard said:

I've submitted a couple of batches of vintage cards (mostly) to CSG and my impression is that they're tough graders, but I hadn't really crunched the data to confim this. Now that the CSG population report is starting to get some high enough numbers, it's probably valid to compare how tough CSG is vs. PSA.   I picked 10 cards that are amongst the highest population, plus some popular vintage cards.    I copied a spreadsheet into the message, so the formatting isn't great but the results are a bit stunning:

Year	Company	Player	Set	Num	CSG Pop	PSA Pop	CSG < 6	PSA < 6	CSG 9+	PSA 9+
1989	Topps	Griffey	Traded	41T	805	78592	1.5%	0.7%	54.9%	74.0%
1989	Upper Deck	Griffey	Base	#1	987	88568	9.3%	5.5%	8.5%	36.0%
1989	Fleer	Griffey		#548	811	54854	2.2%	0.6%	25.2%	63.4%
1986	Topps	Bonds	Traded	11T	417	51570	1.0%	1.3%	15.8%	49.4%
1984	Topps	Elway		#63	265	19982	16.6%	7.0%	2.3%	14.2%
1981	Topps	Montana		#216	281	20946	27.0%	11.0%	2.5%	10.0%
1986	Topps	Rice		#161	448	26708	10.7%	6.2%	2.5%	4.1%
2018	Topps	Acuna	Traded	#US250	324	32380	0.3%	0.2%	92.3%	95.4%
2019	Prizm	Zion		#248	222	39564	0.0%	0.0%	81.1%	96.3%
1970	Topps	OJ Simpson		#90	108	3310	59.3%	34.2%	0.0%	3.5%

Based on these numbers, I can confidently say that CSG is the tougher grader -- in most cases WAY tougher.   Check out the '89 Upper Deck Griffey.  PSA has given a 9 or better to 36% vs. 8.5% for CSG.   Ultra-modern seems closer, but still the scales tip toward CSG.  Does anyone have any theories as to why this might be?   

yes Going foward 30 examples is needed to form a conclusion according to scientific method. If these examples with green label scale i would blame it all on centering. Csg's green label crntering scale was crazy strict 50/50 around except 1 side for gem is really tough and the examples you picked especially the 80's cards centering is a major problem. With csg's new scale redo same experiment with 30 cards take out patches and dye cuts I gaurentee they are very similiar 5-10% difference with csg being slightly tougher because my personal bias is csg is the most accurate grader imo

On 5/14/2021 at 6:16 PM, MDBLAW said:

its def off right to left under the green label scale putting centering around a 7.5-8 the green label centering scale super stringent and the greening I heard was a major problem with chrome cards until 1998-99 but its a beautiful card i would love to have that personally but might wanna crack n send to psa in hopes of getting an 8, there centering scale is much more leniant might even get an 8.5

On 7/22/2022 at 6:18 AM, northkorea said:

So, I had two green label 9 with the same subs sent in for labeling errors, and one came back a black 9.5 & the other a black 9. I was told the reason for the black 9 was the two 9 sub grades and possibly grade weighting, but these two cards had the same subs!

 

 

maybe cause under magnification the overall appeal of the card was better then the other one, subs are just a guide they arent the end all be all there's other catogories they take in consideration and ofcouse overall appeal of the card 

definantly a lot of whiners when it comes to csg, they dont like the color green, too much space, grades to hard Womp! Womp! to your point if get get a high value card graded not to your liking you can always call in and they'll tell ya why it got the grade it did.. 

On 7/10/2022 at 6:17 PM, northkorea said:

You mean like how CCG has chosen to do for CGC comic books? Honestly, no. It makes sense for comics, because a good portion of the grade has to do with things one can't see (inner cover, page colors, any miscut or stained interior pages, etc). For cards, introducing grader notes basically means CSG eliminated a revenue stream to give proprietary data away for free. The net result would be another jump in grading fees.

good point agree for comics its much needed, other small graders like tgt n fcg do it for free for every card, ya dont think it would give csg an edge for real high value cards just a few notes n arrows what was wrong with the card, not for everycard but if your paying a lot to get a 6 figure card graded already i think it would be a good idea to let a customer know why there $100,000 card is now $80,000 because it got a 7 not a 9 or 10. Cards over 5 figures fairly rare i dont think sharing graders notes would affect the budget enough to warrant an increase across the board imo

Now with no subgrades would anyone want to see graders notes for high end cards? Cards over $5000 maybe? not on the slab but if you scanned the card? I think it could be good for csg to get more big cards in csg slabs, thoughts? 

On 6/28/2022 at 1:03 AM, Krazymunkey said:

The point of the post was I was wanting people to see damage on the card, and let me know what I'm missing, because i dont see a 6.  Only way i see a 6 is by mistake or being graded by expensive computer (but not real "AI") compaing the card to a yellow refractor (non auto)....      So far the only real damage was major roller marks, which I'm not completely sure about.   Roller marks (to me) are lines where the rollers move across a sheet.  This card doesnt have those so, Im assuming he is referring to the textured appearance.  Something similar to if a paint roller is low on paint, it will pull up some wet paint leaving it with an orange pull/textured look.   I pictured that on the back left (where major marks were) on both a 10 & 6 and they are identical, so guessing that wasn't it.   

only way to tell is to crack it and use a Lupe on the surface, no one gonna tell through a pic especially through a slab, customer service will tell ya why keep us posted im curious. 

On 6/14/2022 at 2:11 AM, northkorea said:

That may have been an old SGC green flip.

i just watched a reveal seen an 89 bowman oversized griffey graded in new slab, same size slab just the border lip were bigger, I got that card its pretty big the pete maravich might be bigger tho not sure those 70s basketball are big as sh*t