Bio-Rupp

After the hard fought events of today I figured the only thing to bring spirits back up around here is to have another sales thread loaded with stuff.

I'm going to start out with $ 3.69 readers again... then I might drop the bomb and throw in a $9.42 or a $19.69 book that will knock your socks off... well within reason

These books are going to priced cheap and I love CRAZY PRICE POINTS.

There should be no complaints about the stuff I'm going to put up... but who knows, some people can complain till they are "green" in the face. Let's just have some fun and realize my loss is your gain.

Nothing is going over $20 in this thread. I will only apply a grade to the $9.42 or higher books.

Anything else listed in the thread is considered a reader, even though it could be much better (rest assured some of the $3.69 books are going to be VF/NM), I just don't want to set around and grade things all night.

Going to start up in the Gold/Silver section as about 9pm EST.

I guess in a "perfect world", it wouldn't have been that big of a deal for Green to just go and put "take its" up as asked and as the rule states. Twisting the words for his benefit aren't going to get him what he lost fair and square.

There's no twisting of anything here ... Green posted an "I'll take it" in the PM to which you replied "Sold!".

If the sale was contingent on him posting separate "I'll take it"s in all three threads - which is a silly request - you should have said so. You didn't

 

and mschmidt... I did ask him to post in the threads...

 

Sold !

 

If you don't mind, please throw up the "Take It's" in both threads.

 

You sir, are awesome!

 

Many thanks

 

M

 

You asked if he wouldn't mind posting an "i'll take it" in the threads - nowhere did you make it clear that if he didn't, you would cancel a sale to which you'd already agreed.

sigh... Happy Thanksgiving mschmidt

Which got me this response....

Having to make 3 more posts wasnt part of the deal

Which got me this response....

Having to make 3 more posts wasnt part of the deal [/quote

I guess in a "perfect world", it wouldn't have been that big of a deal for Green to just go and put "take its" up as asked and as the rule states. Twisting the words for his benefit aren't going to get him what he lost fair and square.

There's no twisting of anything here ... Green posted an "I'll take it" in the PM to which you replied "Sold!".

If the sale was contingent on him posting separate "I'll take it"s in all three threads - which is a silly request - you should have said so. You didn't

and mschmidt... I did ask him to post in the threads...

Sold !

 

If you don't mind, please throw up the "Take It's" in both threads.

 

You sir, are awesome!

 

Many thanks

 

M

Why didn't Green go post the when I asked him too... especially since it's posted rule # 1. That was my rule and for some reason, even when asked to, he chose not to abide by it.

 

Actually, once you confirmed the sale with Green, it then becomes your responsibility to mark it "sold".

 

You really are just trying to skirt around your acceptance of his offer Period. All the rest of the reasoning is irrelevant.

and divad... how can I be skirting around acceptance of his offer when I asked him twice to put up the "Take it" sign. I'm not going to beg him sir.

Where in the forum rules does it state that it is "my responsibility to mark it sold" too. Especially after asking him to do it... and then asking if he "was sure" when he refused to do it... for no reason other than he was being difficult.

This was a 10 - 15 min time frame. He had time to get it in there. I will tell you why I didn't run over and do it for him... because I was too busy packing all the other wins for people who didn't have a problem putting that sign up.

I want to be very clear that Kawfeaddikt should be left out of this completely. I have no intention of, nor did i ever have any intention of, infringing on his purchase once the seller honored the second sale of the books.

 

That being said i am still of the stern opinion that you backed out of deal that was in place.

 

And also, at some point you interpreted me as rude. At no point did i ever intend to be rude. In fact you quoted by far the rudest thing i said "Obviously i did mind" meanwhile i was dealing with condescending stuff like:

 

 

Sure I think I can help you understand...

 

This, what we are doing right now, is a "PM" which means "personal message"... do we agree on that?

 

Do we agree that we are talking to each other in a "personal message"?

 

I'm not trying to make this hard for you sir... but this is a PM right here.

 

 

 

The "take it" sign TRUMPS ALL PM'S .

 

Again if you want to take it to the boards for confirmation on what my rule is and how ANYONE else would read it... then by all means lets do it. I am QUITE CONFIDENT I am in the right here.

 

And this gem from today:

 

I'm guessing your lack of response has given you time to look up the words "trumps" and "PM" plus given you time to ask a few board buddies their opinion on my rules and clarification of them.

 

 

As politely as i can say it, i do not wish to do business with you at this point in time. I dont hold grudges. cya around.

 

FANTASTIC!

 

Guys the DC READER thead is NOW OPEN! Green it will be in our best interests for you to stay clear of any of my sales threads, I will not sell to you. Regardless I wish you the best.

Seriously ... you wrote back to Green and said "Sold!" when he posted the "I'll take it" in the PM - at that point there's no question that this is a done deal.

 

I'm not sure it is that cut and dry, though I don't want to add to the tension.

 

First gets it and trumps any and all PM's.

 

I'm reading this, and "trumps any and all PM's" seems to be clear. But I've also witnessed sellers agree to a sale via PM, and then mark the item as "sold via PM." It appears Bio-Rupp was taking the former approach, and not the latter.

 

Again, this seems to be a disagreement over interpretation of the sales rules.

 

I just don't get why he'd write back and say "Sold!" if the books weren't actually sold - that makes zero sense, Nick :shrug:

I guess in a "perfect world", it wouldn't have been that big of a deal for Green to just go and put "take its" up as asked and as the rule states. Twisting the words for his benefit aren't going to get him what he lost fair and square.

Wether I said "sold" or not is a mute point if it's in a "PM" and "I'll take its" trump PMs. Thats how its written. Rules change depending on who feels cheated it appears.

Why would I even bother putting "take it" trumps PM's... if thats not what it meant. Just answer this guys... was my and Green's deal in a PM? Does my # 1 sales thread rule not say that "take it" trumps PM's?

Thats the greatness of the boards... whoever wants to play it cheap and goes the PM route stands the chance to lose. The brave sole not afraid to pay the price listed should always win if he gets to the prize first... and with a "take it" , Mr. Kawfeadikt did win the prize.

Am I missing something here? Rupp's thread clearly states:

 

First gets it and trumps any and all PM's.

 

It doesn't say anything about the "I'll take it" having to be posted in the actual thread - it just says that the first one posted gets the sale.

 

And as Green was the first to post the "I'll take it", the books are clearly his :shrug:

How can he lay claim if his "take it" was within the PM that a "take it" trumps... the semantics are sound to me sir.

Plus I'm not having a sale thread in my personal message area... its in public few. Don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend.

So the deal is negotiated in pms, everyone is happy but you sellit to someone else.

 

Dont sell much here but I would wonder if I accepted the deal as the seller why wouldnt I go to my thread and say sold? You have the pm as proof of sale and its not a buyer who is new :shrug:

 

Wonder if the other buyer never showed up and posted take it in the thread and this thing languished to page 8. Would Green still be on the hook for the sale? and would he be getting bad press for not following thru on the sale?

 

Also I have a question to all, If a sales thread is never closed by a seller does that mean the sales thread is is active and valid with those books being offered?

Nice catch paul , so not only did he sell the books to someone else after confirming to me they were sold it was also after his thread was closed.

So by your logic, when our PM deal was taking place at 11:07, these books were totally off the market? So technically then they weren't for sale... even to you? Is this what you are trying to say?

 

Wonder if the other buyer never showed up and posted take it in the thread and this thing languished to page 8. Would Green still be on the hook for the sale? and would he be getting bad press for not following thru on the sale?

In no way would Green be on the hook with the sale if your scenario would have went down. Since, as stated in my 1st rule of the sales thread, the trumps any & all PM's. Green would have lost and the other party would be accountable to make good. That's why we have the sign... to show who wins what and time stamp it in a public sales thread to prove it. That's a given, sir.

What Green doesn't get and what would have saved his deal, is that sign was asked to be placed in both my 1st posted rule... and in the PM in which our deal took place, to validify our deal and keep someone else from posting the and win it out from under him.

What if you were the one who posted "take it" on the lot. Then I PM you and tell you I sold them to another party through a PM... and you see that my 1st rule states trumps any & all PM's" and there is no other to be seen in the thread. Would you feel burned because you did exactly what the rules asked you to do and I changed them behind your back and sold them out from under you?

Why didn't Green go post the when I asked him too... especially since it's posted rule # 1. That was my rule and for some reason, even when asked to, he chose not to abide by it.

And while we are giving them the whole story bio, lets add that the books ended up selling for about 2.5x my accepted offer.

 

I know, they sold at exactly the discounted price I advertised them for in the sales thread!

 

Which is what makes it even more amazing, to me at least, as to why you refused to put up the signs to claim your prize.

I was tired and on pain meds. Notsure what you are assuming

The only thing I was assuming Green is that if you wanted these books, you could have posted the signs instead of wasting the time to do it by posting PM's like this...

 

If you don't mind, please throw up the "Take It's" in both threads.

 

 

M

This also sounds extremely optional to me. obviously i did mind.

Which I hate to say... is kinda rude sir.

Arguing semantics, and internet sentence structure vs. meaning, is often a pointless endeavor ending badly... my advice to both parties is to chalk this one up to a simple misunderstanding, and just let it go...

 

Why? Someone who wasn't even involved in a transaction of mine complained and started a slanderous 35-page thread because of "semantics". I never responded in the thread because of the witch-hunt mentality around here. Besides, I didn't need to - the PM's between the parties were clear.

 

"If you don't mind" is clearly optional, and Green doesn't need to make excuses - he should be bothered by Biorupp's actions. A confirmed "sold" is a confirmed "sold". That's why PM's exist.

I kind of thought "if you don't mind" was being polite, sir.

Well said Sharon.

The main reason the " trumps any & all PM's" is posted in my sales threads is to prevent things like this from happening.

I'm not sure if Green knows that we were talking in a PM or not. I thought my wording was spot on in the "trumps any & all PM's" part.

Why Green refused to put the signs up is beyond me. He had a great deal. Why wouldn't he just do this?

All I can say is how fair would it be to Kawfeadikt to back out of his deal?

He put up the in the thread, as per the rules, and won the lot fair and square. I would hate to disappoint him, especially since he paid up immediatly and seemed very happy with the readers he purchased.

I would love to get past this with Green. I've even offered him a full out on everything he purchased (over $100) if he felt so strongly that I have wronged him.

Regardless, my terms were clear. 1st rule posted in my thread... " trumps any & all PM's".

Green didn't feel the necessity to post these and Kawfeadikt did... so Kawfeadikt got the spoils.

And while we are giving them the whole story bio, lets add that the books ended up selling for about 2.5x my accepted offer.

I know, they sold at exactly the discounted price I advertised them for in the sales thread!

Which is what makes it even more amazing, to me at least, as to why you refused to put up the signs to claim your prize.

BEFORE VOTING, READ THE NEXT FEW PAGES PLEASE

Lets give everyone the whole story Green.

Green lowballs me an offer for the remainders of the Marvel 3.69 sale. I counter and we agree on a price. He had the books... all he had to do was post the "take it" in the threads for everything he wanted. Not a big deal since it is clearly posted in my thread rules that "Take it" trumps any and all PM's which Green quoted for me above.

After accepting Green's terms and I did accept them I asked him to throw up the "take it" signs which you can also see above right under where I accepted his terms.

So Green shoots back with this...

Having to make 3 more posts wasnt part of the deal

... and I come back with...

Sorry...are you sure?

... which Green doesn't answer. In the 15 minutes all this is happening, Kawfeadikt steps in with the "take it" on the remainders.

Now Green is mad on top of being rude that he lost out.

I can't get him to understand that "take it" trumps PMs. He states that since he put the "take it" up in the PM, he did what I asked. ??

How would anyone know you won the stuff by putting up a "take it" in a PM? If you don't put it in the thread, then its still up for grabs, as per my thread rules. And grabbed it was.

Since you are mad (for no reason) I have offered you a complete refusal of everything you won with no hard feelings and you won't answer.

If you can't understand what "take its trump PM's" means which was stated in the rules section of each of my threads, then I can't help you.

Now it appears that Green is going to drag payment out with polls and discussion which really isn't helping me at all since I need the funds and know those books will sell. But if I have to wait 30 days for Green to understand the English language and pay, then these books will be right here waiting for him.

Rupp's $3.69 DC READER thread - SOLD OUT CLOSED!

Just a note that this lot may be coming back up for sale... I will keep everyone posted.

Going to start a nice DC Silver Age reader $3.69 sale in the Mixed Thread in about 30 minutes or so.

Just got all the Bulletman issues posted in my sales thread. More to come.

It seems the shills get discovered within 30-60 days after signing up,so I was thinking of having a new rule.

 

The new rule would be any new board member that has only been a member for 90-days or less can only any of my books if they pay via check/money order only.

 

Anyone think that would cut down on the shill fraud behavior?

 

what would truly cut down on the behavior is if they got a life. nah, ain't gonna happen. as it's your sales thread, i don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to put this stipulation in but i may be wrong. many have blackballed probation listees (obvious) and members they have on ignore (understandable).

 

Mike,

 

I am just seeing if that would work, meaning I haven't done it yet. Just curious if anyone would thing it would help cut the shill down a bit.

 

Can't see why I wouldn't be able to do that cause it my sales thread. I could be wrong but the only thing I know we really can't say is PP Personal.

 

John

Don't know if it would cut down on the behavior or not. They could still post the "take it" and never send the check or money order... which puts you in the same place with a lost sale and time wasted.

Plus you might lose legit sales. When I signed up in Feb (I think) after just reading the board for years, I went on a buying spree and spent waaaay too much. Sure would hate to lose some of that legitimate newbie cash by denying them a way to pay with a credit card.

Bio,

 

I haven't been in town or near a computer for the past couple days so I wasn't able to make things right as of now. I do want to make things better and I honestly didn't mean to put down the community with my last post... My bad sense of humor. I will try but try is all I can do.

 

-Lucas

Don't know Taz at all but received this PM from him yesterday.

This is better than dancing with the stars.

 

Palin is goin home tonight .

 

Sorry, She's not going home this week

For a second I thought Max was the one going home

This is better than dancing with the stars.

Palin is goin home tonight .

 

...had Thing had a 8 month late shipping problem in the NCG Board (which is where He11blazer's transaction took place)

 

 

I am still holstered (chaffs a little) but just to clarify, the sale was promoted and concluded in the Water Cooler, not the NGC boards.

 

Sorry sir, I misunderstood. The Water Cooler was the place.

Had Thing came to the Comic Forum Selling boards and done this charity auction and made the same screwup with his coin, we would not be having this discussion, as he would have violated OUR rules. But he didn't.

Thank you Pov for responding.

I think I understand what your saying which I think is...

...had Thing had a 8 month late shipping problem in the NCG Board (which is where He11blazer's transaction took place) & said a flippant remark about the NCG thread rules, it's members & probation guidlines/list (if there was one), then that individual thread's rules would have been violated by Thing and that community would have acted accordingly... perhaps like a few of us here did.

Since Thing is not a CGC Board regular user/member he's not expected to follow the same rules we follow here concerning on-time shipping, general respect & etc. Only on the NCG threads is he accountable.

That's great for the CGC Board I guess... but I'm sure its gonna scare the comic buyers who might want to buy a coin or too. Let's just hope any future transactions with the NCG Board will be trouble free.

You are correct tho, Pov... since Thing don't live here, I shouldn't & won't worry about it. I appreciate you sir. also holstered.