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No idea as to value but almost certainly OA. His estate was recently sold at a small auction house in TN.
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that's a lot of information ;)
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It DOES look like it starts with an A. And the first letter of the last name could just as easily be an L or a P as a R.
Do we know for a certainty that the name 'tom reilly' was even correct?
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On 10/30/2023 at 11:34 PM, tth2 said:
I could actually understand the reaction better if it was Stan Lee that had actually signed it.
The reaction isn't hard for us to parse out. Its large, distracting and in the middle of the page. If it was small and in the margins no one would say boo.
It sort of reminds me of how as a hobby, in the early days, we got books signed on the interior, often the page 1 margin, when the signatures were "for us."
It was only when signatures evolved into something for resale that people began to have the covers signed.... the grass roots desire to have the book signed tended heavily to have them signed unobtrusively so that the signature wouldn't distract. That same desire is probably what bothers us as a hobby, at least some of us, when it comes to having a big white signature in the middle of what is supposed to be a large black moody space.
While it personally wouldn't stop me from buying the page if I was in the market for it, I might bid an increment or two less. Its a bit distracting.
Obviously the comparison stops there as no one would have had gaiman sign it that way for resale considerations, but the basic desires at play are the same and as you hint at, Stan Lee's signatures are the best example of how for many people less is more when it comes to signatures.
There has to be a natural tipping point as to what people like and don't like in a signature after all. Otherwise, we'd be getting every panel signed in multiple colors of sharpie.
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On 10/30/2023 at 11:33 AM, delekkerste said:
No, it's all Megg & Mogg and related characters from the series (like Werewolf Jones).
I would say that while you wouldn't want to buy, say, a Serpieri piece that didn't have nudity, there is a wide majority of funny and/or pathos-inducing pages by Hanselmann that don't actually show the most extreme gross-out humor that he is capable of and so I don't think it is in any way settling for less to get a page that doesn't include squirting, penetration, etc.
squirting you say! I may have to start reading it
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On 10/30/2023 at 10:03 AM, delekkerste said:
Here's a timely Halloween scene from last year's "Werewolf Jones & Sons Autumnal Grievance Spectacular" (Fantagraphics, 2022) by Simon Hanselmann, my most recent pick up of the Australian-born creator's art (I've been a fan for years now). Megg, Mogg, Owl & Werewolf Jones' sons (Jaxon & Diesel) have a disturbing encounter with a shotgun-toting neighbor before witnessing an even more distressing scene in the form of a pants-less and possibly dead Werewolf Jones lying in the middle of the road behind police tape!
A great Hanselmann page without any oozing orifices, veiny genitalia, lewd sexual acts and/or other depictions that would make it unsuitable for display (always a risk with Hanselmann pages!!)Btw Gene, I feel like I've seen this artist before but I haven't bought any new books in a while? Does he do other work we might have seen?
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On 10/30/2023 at 10:03 AM, delekkerste said:
Here's a timely Halloween scene from last year's "Werewolf Jones & Sons Autumnal Grievance Spectacular" (Fantagraphics, 2022) by Simon Hanselmann, my most recent pick up of the Australian-born creator's art (I've been a fan for years now). Megg, Mogg, Owl & Werewolf Jones' sons (Jaxon & Diesel) have a disturbing encounter with a shotgun-toting neighbor before witnessing an even more distressing scene in the form of a pants-less and possibly dead Werewolf Jones lying in the middle of the road behind police tape!
A great Hanselmann page without any oozing orifices, veiny genitalia, lewd sexual acts and/or other depictions that would make it unsuitable for display (always a risk with Hanselmann pages!!)Nice piece!
As a side note, its interesting to see the different thought processes on the more risque work. My approach is the opposite; if an artist is known for really risque material (R-rated because of graphic sex or violence) then that's exactly what I want and I'm not worried about whether or not it can be displayed. If I collected Crumb, I'd want one that exemplifies what he's known for, which probably means somebody's having sex with somebody on the page where I suspect you'd be more comfortable with say an illustration of Mr Natural that you could hang without any hanky panky happening in the illo. I'm not familiar with this artist, but if graphic is what he's known for, its what I lean into.
I wonder what other people think on that? I think both perspectives are out there but I wonder where people fall out, on average.
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Yeah, that's the same thing in that people want what was local to their area. At the same time however, its a little different in that I presume there isn't a 50% discount between a New York TV guide and an LA TV guide.
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On 10/27/2023 at 4:26 PM, themagicrobot said:
It’s funny how you use the word “foreign “ as I don’t think it applies so much in the UK. We embrace the whole world. I love your comics but I also love UK comics and European comics. What car do you drive? I have a British car … a Bond…look it up… and a German car… an Opel…..and an American car… a Mustang V8
If you discount stuff from anywhere else as inferior I think it is you that are missing out.
Well if you like the use of the word foreign, you would really enjoy the use of the word "overseas."
A good number of Americans conflate "overseas" with "international" regularly.
I once had to ask an ebay seller that was mad at me for purchasing an item with no "overseas" shipping to specify exactly which "sea" was between BC and California as my map didn't indicate one
He begrudgingly agreed there was no sea to fly over but I should have 'known what he meant.'
In other words,
Outside of US = Overseas.
Hawaii and Alaska = Not overseas. Despite there being, you know, "seas"/oceans separating the land masses which require flying "over."
And look, if I'm living in the US, I'm probably acting the same way, so no hate. They are used to the convenience of being able to transact totally within their own borders. If anything I'm jealous!
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On 10/27/2023 at 2:05 PM, themagicrobot said:
the market is what it is. American buyers don't respond to foreign collectibles to the same extent as American collectibles.
I've had some American buyers express this to me in very clear terms.
Obviously, others don't care. And there's also many that want to feel like they don't care, but their buying behaviour says otherwise.
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On 10/27/2023 at 1:05 PM, comix4fun said:
For the longest time people assumed that the US AF 15 was printed a month before the UK Pence version because the US Version has an "Aug" (8/62) designation on the cover and the Pence only has a September, 1962 designation on the inside indicia. The stink of "reprint" (even inaccurate) stuck for long time.
That might have been the reason put on it at some point, but let's not kid ourselves.
Foreign = yuck for most US buyers.
1980s Cdn variants don't sell for as much as US variants either.
And TBH I can understand wanting the exact version that was for sale in your own country; that's fair. It is what it is and its fair play. But to bring it full circle, in the same way that people want the comics (or other collectibles; lots of examples...) that came out in their own country, Americans want to watch shows that look American to them. That's just a fact and I think generally very apparent to those of us outside the US. I don't think its 'wrong' to be clear. People can watch what they want and buy what they want.
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On 10/27/2023 at 11:52 AM, comix4fun said:
It's not the accent (for most viewers at least) it's the vernacular, slang, and location specific jokes and commentary that don't translate as well or as completely.
Also, the production values and budget per episode can vary wildly. The example I go to is UK Office vs US Office. A lot translates, some doesn't, but those UK episodes were shot on a sliver of the budget of the US version and you can see it in camera work and overall production value. it’s both.
It’s both of those factors.
If it’s not ‘murican a lot of people aren’t interested. Pence variants of amazing fantasy 15 trade at 50% for this reason. The book is otherwise identical… but it’s not ‘murican.
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On 10/26/2023 at 5:07 PM, MrBedrock said:
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On 10/26/2023 at 12:35 AM, tth2 said:
Speaking of Garfield, Heritage must've had a big shortfall in consignments for the just-started Signature Auction in terms of volume, because there are a zillion Garfields.
finally, a decent Signature
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On 10/23/2023 at 8:19 PM, jick said:Right now, $435 seems modestly tempting for a DD#1 9.8, but from my country and our weak currency, it's a pass. I think in the end, when slabbed comics will continue their nosedive in value, the non-vintage ones will mostly make nice display. In that case, I still think that Groo #1 Pacific is the issue to have because it is Groo's "first cover appearance." While Groo Special #1 is much more rare, and is much better composed image - I think Pacific #1 will be the "go to" issue for both collectors and those looking for wall hangers when the values really nosedive.
Speaking of Groo original art, I am actually in disagreement that they did well. Vintage Marvel Groo covers have sold for roughly $10k but remember that is Heritage and there is a buyer's premium. So the money the buyer takes home is considerably less maybe $7k or less when you take away buyer's premium and percentage. Meanwhile, Groo covers from the Dark Horse era are going for only $3k to $4k, so the take home of the seller is actually $2.4k to $3k - more or less. The Dark Horse era of Groo is already 20 years old, and Groo original art is perhaps the last remaining one up to this day where the lettering is still done on the actual board.
Speaking of lettering, Groo's letterer - Stan Sakai actually sells for more than Sergio's Groo art. His creator-owned character Usagi Yojimbo's original art sells for considerably higher than Groo. Then you have Mike Mignola's Hellboy - even his simple pencil sketches non-published sell for roughly the same amount as a modern Groo cover. Then another indie character - Nexus - has art that sells for more than Groo art. Finally, consider also that Aragones has been holding original art supply of Groo as he still keeps majority of the complete issues' original art (he is kinda like Walt Simonson or Jerry Ordway or David Mazzuchelli or McFarlane to Spawn) so there is very little in the market. That should artificially inflate Groo original art prices, but it hasn't.
In summary, Groo CGC 9.8 keys are going the bargain bin way and his original art goes for considerably less than other independently owned characters despite the limited supply. Either Groo is terribly undervalued (which I doubt!) or very few people really care about Groo. I guess it's only us.
If the prices continue the nosedive, I will buy more slabs of Pacific and DD#1. And if the OA prices maintain but my disposable income miraculously expands, I will definitely get more Groo OA. All because of my love for the character and not because of some market speculation or false hope!
I don't think the data really supports what you're saying.
If we look at HA results,
1) the most an Usagi cover has sold for is $8400, for #15, back in 2020. The most a groo cover has sold for is $13,200, for #8. Both are excellent covers. I think you can say that Usagi #15 might sell for more now than in 2020, but how much? 10-15k? That's the same as the Groo of similar quality. More sparse Usagi and Groo covers have sold for less. (Groo 15, Usagi 9). I think the best you can say is that the covers are in a similar range.
2) Nexus - same story. Biggest sales on HA are $8400. One was a cover, one was a nice interior page from #1 in 1981. I feel pretty confident that a page from Groo 1 PC would do more than that, considering the endpage from #28 or something just sold for around 5k.
3) Aragones has been selling off books of OA for years and years now. He doesn't have as much as you think at this point, and people have cherry picked away all the best issues. A lot of pages have been out there and been out there for a while now. I own some myself, and as you can see from the sales of interiors on HA, some of the pages bought by people like me are starting to hit the market. The same can't be said for Usagi - not a single published interior page has hit HA. That makes me think (perhaps you know better) that Stan is in fact holding on to all of his interior pages and only sells the covers? As a good number of those have hit HA. So, I think you may have it backwards. If there is a price bump from restricted supply of interior pages that's probably helping Sakai prices not Aragones prices. That's before we even consider how much more Aragones art, in total, exists and is out there compared to Sakai. Metric tons of Mad art. DC Art. Groo. His overall output has dwarfed Sakai's and really has dwarfed almost everyone else in comics, period.
More importantly, the pages are just great. From time to time I consider selling some, but I can't bring myself to do it, at least not yet. They are masterfully drawn.
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To be clear neither I nor I suspect anyone else considers it a significant pedigree. But the average grades and PQ are super high, thats just a fact.
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On 10/24/2023 at 2:12 AM, lou_fine said:
Nice white pages, but as far as I can remember, no keys at all and in fact, no books of any real significance at all.
Nontheless if state of paper preservation - and nothing else - is the criteria as per the quote I replied to , then that’s a top pedigree.
I’ve acquired the #1 book on my list. Please show your copy!
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yep, such a great comic book, congrats