If everyone is worried about all the extraneous stuff being used to make this decision I suppose we can create a new one with the simple facts of this particular instance of fraud, along with him being caught in the lie, attempting to maintain it, and being exposed for lying in his attempt to maintain the original lie and that should be enough to get a "clean" vote.
I doubt, at this point, if mention of his previous activities would even be necessary given how clearly he was busted in the midst of this deceptive dealing.
Clear HOS to you, not even close for me.
He tried to sell a comic he did not own, OR have possession of. If you offer something for sale, it is absolutely implied that you own (or have a clear right to that item, or have been granted agency to sell that item (sell for a friend, consignment, etc). If you do not own that item and have attempted to sell and collect money for that item without disclosing things like (I've not yet paid for the item and I do not have possession of the item), you have committed fraud. You have intentionally misrepresented AND omitted relevant facts while attempting to make a sale.
That's the 1st fraud, the lie about the case is 2a. The picture of "the case" was fraud 2b is support of fraud 2a.
Given all the subsequent discussion there are most likely more, but no one really needs more at this point...at least they shouldn't.
Yes, they should.
Presales happen ALL the time. The difference here is poor communication. Did he say he had it or did the buyer assume?
2nd was to cover his and he needs to make it right with 4comix.
Poor communication? In what world is this just poor communication? I guess those Nigerian emails I get are just poor communications as well.
I have to agree. Jeff, that is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard in awhile - poor communication?!
Then please tell me the difference between this sale and a presales. If he had communicated how he was acquiring the book would we be here?
Poor communication.
I'm ALS on my phone in the NOLA airport so hard to keep up.
Ok I will play ball on my lunch. Hopefully the what if scenario works for you as well.
Presale - Hey I am presellig this con exclusive price is X. (Shoot I sold more than I could get my hands on). "Hey Steve, I couldn't grab you a copy at the con since I promised you this book I will get on for you at my charge"
Hustruck - Hey someone buy this. Shoot I am not gunna make money how can I get out of this. Oh I can lie about the books case etc etc etc. More lies and more fraud. Sweet I am done and good to go.