Mr.Mcknowitall

Welllll, not exactly a demanding resolve, but certainly a display of British manners.....

No harm or foul. I was referring to the best approach toward the problem, by members, and the more informed we are about any possible reasons, and that a sister entity does not have the same problem with a comparable Holder, it is no so easy to dismiss the members complaining.

Not exactly....why would the material touching be a cause....unless there is something in the quality of the material that causes it. Look at PMG Holders. No Rings. same Entity. Same manufacturing process. Inert. No gassing. No contamination. Controlled heat/extrusion. Not same raw material. Light simply allows the human eye to observe the "flaws" in the material. I mentioned had anybody used a black light. There is a reason.

Concur. Dissatisfied customers is the precursor of change. Informed dissatisfied customers improve that change.

H for humble...I am a humble kind of fellow.

This reinforces my opinion. Thank you for the picture.

IF you have a chance to read my earlier posts, I touch on the subject....contamination, type of material and manufacturing control, heat extrusion, etc. Plastic aint' plastic...until it is plastic. The light refraction is not the cause....it is a consequence. (Of course IMHO).

The why is known, by the Host, IMHO. the Host can certainly enlighten the members, and explain why the PMG inert Holders do not have Rings, when the surfaces are in direct contact with each other, which seems to be in contradiction to the light refraction phenomenon. The side issue, unfortunately, is the issue.

I am certainly not doing so. I am being VERY serious, and if there is an impression otherwise, I can not control that.

That is exactly the info I wanted to know. Then there is not a method that can be used on the new Holders, like the old Holders. Thank you. That helps me and my position of the why a lot.

That was not my motivation. I did. We discussed that earlier in the Thread. Not yet, and I will explain why. There is an understanding by our Host that there is a problem. the Host has stated it is a normal phenomenon and light refraction issue. The Host acknowledges there are "degrees" of the phenomenon, and some 'degrees" reach the threshold of what the Host deems is worthy of a do over. Granting for a moment that the Host has every business Right to set whatever conditions it wants in the matter, regardless of consequences, it is not progress. Yes, I have been questioning the theory presented as the prevalent reason...a phenomenon of light refraction. I explained why I questioned this singular theory. The Host has certainly had more than enough time....3 years?....to research the issue. I explained about polymers, co-polymers. Barex 210, heat extuded product, contamination, etc. Has the Host mentioned that there has been engineering research in this regard, and research into the product.... previously and presently......used for the Holders? PMG and the Host (and NGC) are part of the same entity. At one time, there was a slight visual aberration with PMG slabs, that had a blue/green tint, it was not exactly unsightly and was certainly not a Newton problem by any stretch of the imagination. It was a bit of a clarity problem on certain Notes, depending on the color of the Note. Around March of 2016 or so, PMG came out with new Holders. It was (and is) an inert material. It is extremely high quality, and I would state the best available ...and matched only by the Mylar D that Denly's of Boston offered at the time. but as far as TPGs there was no better and in my opinion still isn't. The Holders.... in their Construct...are sealed, and the surfaces in direct contact with each other. I should mention these holders were the 3rd Design, as I recall. So, the newtons? Why not in this product?

Why would Mr. Namisgr suggest the method he did? I asked him if he had tried it, but he declined. Maybe he did not realize the holders were the new version, and/or misunderstood my question due to my admitted ignorance. It was mentioned prior that the method can't be used with the new Holders, so I thought, maybe Namisgr knew a method to do it. so I asked. I am still confused...can it or can it not be done? Another member kindly answered it can not be done. I assumed Namisgr knows this stuff a lot better than me.....obviously.....and had found a method that worked on the new Holders. Another member mentioned that he was able to make the rings go away, and was nice enough to clarify that yes, he can make the rings reappear on the old Holders,by pressing together. i have not seen a comment that the same is true for the new Holders. So, either the new Holders with rings can not be "improved" without creative invasion of some type and, I assume a re-seal, which to me would be tampering and will not really solve the problem anyway, because it is possible that the rings would reappear with pressure, because....apparently to many...is that the phenomenon is due to the material in contact with each other (I am not in that camp, the reasons being as I discussed earlier in the thread.

To me, from a Market perspective, the introduction for the first time of a character, which the business entity hopes inspires the customer/collector/buyer to be interested in the character after it is first introduced and makes the customer want to purchase follow-on publications, defines a first appearance/introduction, etc. I don't think that necessarily has to be a drawing of the character; it could be a brief background/story line presentation also. I do think that first introduction has to give the character a name, though.

Thank you. I can appreciate your position of what a constructive question is. I will take your suggestion under advisement.

Thank you.

No. I have not. I presented the questions because I am not experienced in such undertakings, as I have mentioned. I assumed you had done so, and was interested in the findings. If you do not wish to answer in a constructive manner, it is not a problem.

Thank you. When you say ".....get rid of the Newton rings...." what actually occurred? For instance, were you able to....for want of a different description..."duplicate the rings by pressure, i.e. pushing the shells back together? Has anyone used a black light?

I am curious. Have you done this, and what was the result? Do you by any chance have before and after examples that you could share? If you have done so, what generation Holder was it? If you don't have any photos, is it possible you could do this on a case you have and take before and after results, and identify the Holder and when you received it?

Discussed......yes, you could say it makes a difference.

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It is certainly your choice. A bit vindictive, and the stated reason for doing so a bit silly, since any member can access the list, but it is your Right to play Javert all you want. It appears your performance could earn you an Oscar.

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