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You have a migraine? Imaging the headache the people that battled the same thing over in PIF for years only to see it move over here must feel. Seems like the same discussions - same people - time after time. Hasn’t Heraclitus taught anything up to the present day?

C'mon, I am not trolling, it’s just an important thing. I do not mean to have "the last word" and I am not angry at you. I agree Meeklo should learn from this experience, we all learn from experiences, we can’t just assume the learning curve is the same for everyone.

There is a very simple rule in respect, Hector: you can’t dictate whether a person should or should not reply, or how he should take lessons. I am not defending Meeklo‘s current attitude here, I was talking of something different since the beginning.

Harvey, it’s not about decisions, at least not for me. It’s entirely about how people are treated. I think pretty much everyone (including Chip and Meeklo) agree or have agreed – more or less explicitly – that the offer(s) might have been inadequate. Meeklo did not even contest the strike (I did), and Chip was humble enough to come here and apologize by posting a very good offer. But people (not only you) keep mocking, or insulting or deriding – to which end? You just assume, and not only that, we continue to imply people are not generous, while they are simply not attuned to the thread rules. MikeNYC pointed out I should not generalize the discourse reducing it on a dissertation on generosity: OK, but then once again, what we are speaking of is not always necessarily "generosity" as it seems implied? I think that everything would settle pretty much nicely if you’d stop using those irritatingly silly emoticons too.

Phew, for a moment you got me worried… Would have been awesome to manage to have it signed by Joe Simon before his death but I guess Stan will do…

Aww, I would be dead scared to have it traveling around! Don’t tell me you are going to have him sign on the cover, pleaseee! – do it on the insides, like Jack’s one… My last arrivals, a minor upgrade (#57) and I still missed #100. Not stellar copies but will do.

Very nice Illu… it’s similar to my raw copy in the FN range. P.S. I am still haunted by your Kirby signed Golden Age Cap… :cloud9: @Tom: Thanks! I’ve definitely been jonesing for #64-67 too… managed not to spend mad money but it was tough. Now I have the "final selection" going on among the copies…

What does it mean "jonesing"? I just got my third copy of #66 and now I can make a choice – will be in about VFNM as yours, but I have to decide which one! P.S. Love the centering on your copy!

Jason bought a pair of Marvel SA books from me, paid immediately and very good communication – many thanks! (thumbs u

At last my Spidey #121 has found its brother…

I never thought of Dr. Strange as "trippy" at all. Almost always a high quality comic.

Okay, I am expecting answers to my questions (including one about ridiculizing Meeklo before, which was left unanswered). If they come, happy to reply, otherwise I am done for good this time. And Mike, no, I really don’t care about your humour or Jiminy Cricket’s. Maybe you think you do a good service to people by being presumptuous or sarcastic: well, it does not work that way.

What kind of relply is this? I was asking questions. As much as this thread is Harvey’s idea, it has been developed by trials and errors, and I made observations.

Yes, it’s a very cool issue, each Spidey fan should have one…

I was re-reading the rules, as I think they are not worded enough clearly in other cases. For example, what does it mean, precisely «the offeror has "veto power" to reject a take it of their offer»? If that’s he has the right to refuse a pick up from a certain member, OK, but that was not the case we have encountered so far, as the veto was applied after the new offer was posted, i.e. it was not about the "takeit" but about the new offer from the taker. Also, I seem to get the veto does not result in a strike. If so, if one takes an offer with good intentions and gets vetoed, nothing happens? Inversely, how one could realize if the offer does not meet the expectations if he’s not allowed to rescind? I mean if one is in good faith and just do not realize his offer would not be (maybe) accepted well. In my opinion the a) b) etc. specifications are also a bit confusing, at least formatted as they are.

They are sweet offers, but I am not digesting the aforementioned questions.

Isn’t it what discussion should serve to? To understand better one’s own attitude as well, to improve, to try to be more balanced with the offers. What I found totally out of place is the judgmental way and the sarcasm, not the rules themselves. If one is advised to improve the offer, and does not, there’s the veto, but I think it would be really a remote option if everyone tries his best to offer a good follow-up.

I am not discussing whether it was appropriate or not, and not defending you acritically, I am just wondering why, since you ended up giving up the offer, it has to be applied. Andrew says he thinks is not enough and invites you to combine offers, and that is OK. You were dubious about it, but in the end you realized it was not enough good and rescinded the pick up- Even if Andrew put the veto slightly after your rescission, the rescission still holds value.

Is the trading thread a go already? I don't see it At this point I am a little concerned about starting it. I feel that a few people will intentionally threadcrap it. As far as the second take it and rescission goes, I feel like it was done purposely to test Swick and the rules. The timing and manner in which it was done felt unnatural and staged. I hope you don’t consider "threadcrap" the discussion which happened. I am still wondering why Meeklo got the strike, considered he rescinded in time.

There is already a discussion thread about PIF and The Trading Post thread – maybe it could work for all three.

"To follow up" means to participate. I will remain here to enjoy your humour, which is very uplifting.

Claudio - I need you to just take a step back and think about this for a second. That's nice of Meeklo to offer up something for free. (thumbs u But he was vetoed and got a strike so there comes with it a penalty. That penalty is a one month suspension. That includes RAK's whether that is giving or taking. I'm going to enforce the rule if someone tries to TAKE an offering as well so I'm just being fair both ways. I don't know why this is a difficult concept to understand. A one month suspension means just that. There is nothing preventing Meeklo from coming back in a month and offering up the same stuff free again. Again, what motivates that rule? What I don’t understand is this idea of generosity. This is simply a thread about exchanging material. Generosity does not need rules, and does not need to be visible. Not surprising of you. Go ahead.

No, it‘s not oxymoronic, because that is not generosity: it‘s just an agreed upon concept of generosity, by which we make a trade thread work. And honestly, I am not interested to follow up.

My point. It‘s either one or the other. I did not like this "strike system" idea in the beginning, but if it is applied consistently it does not need additional rules like "suspension from the thread". All it needs is suspension from taking offers. Inversely, if one realizes he’s not been adequate with his follow-up he should just be able to rescind.