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Claudio - I need you to just take a step back and think about this for a second. That's nice of Meeklo to offer up something for free. (thumbs u But he was vetoed and got a strike so there comes with it a penalty. That penalty is a one month suspension. That includes RAK's whether that is giving or taking. I'm going to enforce the rule if someone tries to TAKE an offering as well so I'm just being fair both ways. I don't know why this is a difficult concept to understand. A one month suspension means just that. There is nothing preventing Meeklo from coming back in a month and offering up the same stuff free again. Again, what motivates that rule? What I don’t understand is this idea of generosity. This is simply a thread about exchanging material. Generosity does not need rules, and does not need to be visible.

Right, but let’s not idealize it – that’s why we have rules: because of the human nature. Meeklo abided by the rules: I can’t see why he should get the veto. And even not to post free offers: this is really nonsense.

These two phrases pretty much underline the problem: as much one might be passionate about this, it seems one must conform to a fixed idea of generosity. Generosity, by its very first nature, would not worry at all about what is given in return. This thread is laid on abiguous bases.

If you guys think I'm behind the scenes telling people they should or should not use their veto, you are mistaken. I've told several that have PM'ed me that ultimately it is there choice. I've told people to try to discuss with the person via PM and get a sense if they are or are not being sincere in their offer. This time - yes, 1Cool will tell you that I told him he should use his veto. The offer was a joke. Not the items offered and this isn't an argument about "rich" vs. "poor". I don't know how any of you that are complaining about my "righteous indignation" couldn't see what just happened as an insult to this thread. ASM #50 offered and an "Here are some things I have hanging around that are of no use to me. Choose ONE." Cricket being cricket and 1Cool about the value of his ASM #50 (I had it higher than that). Meeklo pulling the "I'm not rich card" to which I responded - why not offer up a combination of those options (or maybe even all). Meeklo sees Cricket's low number and offers up JUST ENOUGH to get to that amount Yeah, I think that was a mockery of this thread. I feel like it was this belief that "just enough" is what did PIF in. There was no giving back there. There was "just enough" given to get something you wanted. So feel free to hate me and say how I rule this thread with an iron fist. I'm just trying to keep it honest. First of all, if it is expected that everyone is able to (more or less) understand and judge what has been going on, we should have had all posts, and all replies (which we haven’t). Second, I just think this vision is an idealization, and does not take into account human nature. This is just unrealistic. I might have been 99% in agreement with you, if you did not use derision or phrases like "the offer was a joke" and once again reading in other people’s intentions.

Post rescinded, I was venting. Sorry to disturb you Thanks. I was harsh too – sorry.

More than often, but hopefully not when I am striving for truth.

Alòso, the most important thing would be: do not cancel posts (and mark the reason if they are important and you edit them). How one can figure the actual succession of events without seeing all the posts in the order they were made?

I really can’t cease to be amazed at the arrogance of such statements, pretending to read a number of countless things in other people’s actions. What do you know about him? Nothing, I guess, so this is deeply disturbing. Sorry.

Yes, Tech is right, the reasons may be slightly different, but my position does not change. I’ll be very clear: what I don’t like is derision. And assumption of lack of generosity. If Meeklo did not realize his offer was not good (I have not seen it) then all it would have been needed would have been either: 1) an unbiased comment (or more) saying it was not adequate; 2) a veto on Andrew’s part (maybe after some PM discussion, as it has been done, and I think Andrew has been more than fair).

Which is all good, and which is what is often needed to understand and rethink one’s own position.

I have not had the opportunity to see Meeklo’s offers, but I did not like this. Anyway, I do not agree at all: Meeklo after some thought rescinded the "takeit", so Andrew’s veto should not apply.

Hi M.! How’s the kitty?

Love that pink FF… Which issue should it correspond to?

Imagine how sweet it was from Italy! Anyway, I made my first "serious" purchases on eBay that way (I still recall buying Fantastic Four #16 and #21 and waiting an eternity to get them – but when they arrived… ).

Crassus is entirely right. I always try to ship within a matter of few days when I get paid: if possible even 1-2 days after, but since I have to go to the post office specifically for this, it is not always possible if selling comics is not your day job. I have hardly waited more than one week anyway.

Andrew is always good to do business with, both as a buyer and a seller. He recently picked a BA book from me and paid immediately. Thanks! (thumbs u

Glad for you.

It‘s not been me that I posted that awful movie snippet… Not enough that I have to see it around, go figure if I go post in the thread!

You are not confused. I loathe the books as much as these movies. It‘s been Kystix that suggested a distinction between what they are doing with the movies and the rest, but I do not see it: they are both as much without care. Now, minor characters like Rocket Raccoon and Groot, randomly put together, do not trouble me. But Drax, Gamora and even Star Lord (as "secondary" as it might have been) have nothing to do with these "parodies".

But the movies are a different entity. All together. They don't have to be the same. Or even close for that matter. I like to think of them as ultimate universes. No one gets angry that ultimate uni characters are super different from their Earth 616 counterparts. Just my opinion. -Kystix I would love to get into your perception of things. But the thing that remains is that they are keeping their feet in two shoes, and while I can surely see these as Hollywood action movies I pretty much loathe, I can’t do the same thing for the comics. They did not rescind their legacy (which I would have appreciated), but rather they sort of pretend to have been remained consistent. Which they did not. There is also a more complex discourse about the use of the idea of "hypotetical realities" vs. "alternate universes" in the Marvel narrative. The second one is an excuse to avoid producing good quality narratives (I never liked the english term "fiction", which in some way evokes something fake). But this is off-topic here, it’s just that I can’t see these things, they make me… – sorry.

They have no value. Lapidary.

That kind of sarcasm, smartassery et al – these movies are downright awful… besides having NOTHING to do with the characters as they were meant to be. And Star Lord… man, I have little familiarity with Star Lord, but definitely this insufficiently_thoughtful_person has nothing to do with Star Lord.

Matt is an asset to the boards, and I love his collecting style. He recently picked a pair of Fantastic Four I offered in a donation thread and sent the donation immediately. (thumbs u

«but Darkhawk popularity began to dwindle…» – what deprecable individuals the guys at Wizard!

The word "nostalgic" applied to the 1990s sounds really strange to me. Wizard… how much I hated Wizard (although we followed it for some time, given we were buying imported comics)…