ebtorres

I will re-post what I said earlier, because it is the heart of the matter:

 

The Probation List is there to handle disputes between Board Members. The PayPal personal issue would be a dispute between the buyer and PayPal. One has nothing to do with the other and therefore the PayPal personal issue should be irrelevant in considering a PL nomination for un-shipped books.

 

I agree completely.

 

When this board is firmly committed to justice for ALL parties, then I will heartily endorse and agree with your positions.

 

Until then, it is the rankest hypocrisy to complain about one party stealing from you, when you, yourself, stole from another party in the course of the transaction.

 

That doesn't absolve the first party. They still need to address the issue.

 

But to publicly complain about it, after having done the same thing to another party in the transaction, is blatantly hypocritical, and should be addressed as such.

 

Many people have done it, over many years, and many more people have justified it over many more years.

 

That doesn't change anything.

 

 

I completely understand your point about paypal personal.

 

However, isn't removing any recourse from the person who paid "Personal", in defense of paypal's policies, and allowing the party who took the money and didn't perform ALSO become a situation where there isn't justice for all parties involved.

 

Isn't defending Paypal only, and not all parties against theft and wrongdoing hypocritical?

 

There's a recourse for improper personal paypal payments, through paypal, and they enforce it rather regularly. However denying PL recourse entirely, due to improper use of personal paypal, is denying both notice to the boards and compensation to the buyer of a (for example for ease of % fees paypal charges) $100 wrong due to failure of payment of a $3 fee.

 

That equates to disproportionate punishment when, as personal payment limits ability to recoup loss, one of the only ways product or funds my be returned to the buyer is through the PL.

 

Eliminating the ability to list on the PL list for this reason handicaps everyone the list is meant to protect, and protects everyone it was meant to handicap.

if you have a pile of cocaine and someone steals the cocaine from you they have still committed a crime by stealing the illegal goods. Of course those crimes don't get reported but that's besides the point.

Well... actually...

Victim 1

Victim 2

Victim 3

Victim 4

I look at it like this. I want to know if someone is ripping people off on the boards. I don't care what PayPal rules were broken. It's like punishing innocent people.

 

So, what you're suggesting is:

 

Community Protection > PayPal Interests

 

Seems reasonable.

I would like to propose a new rule.

 

According to the terms of this sales forum, people are not allowed to use Paypal Personal to pay for merchandise, as stated here:

 

List acceptable forms of payment (NOTE: Personal PayPal is NOT allowed as a listed option in your post as it is not appropriate for item purchases.)

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1460472&gonew=1#UNREAD

 

...then those who deliberately choose to use Paypal personal for merchandise give up their right to place anyone who then doesn't ship said merchandise on the Probation list.

 

Here is my reasoning:

 

PP isn't appropriate for merchandise. It is against Paypal's TOS. Fees are how Paypal provides this service. Avoiding those fees is, therefore, stealing from Paypal. So...if one steals from Paypal, why should they then be able to turn around and claim they, too, were stolen from?

 

I suspect, if the books were to be opened, the amount of fees stolen from Paypal by using Personal payments for merchandise or services would dwarf the amount of money lost by those who simply never shipped.

 

Yes, I understand that some people view Paypal as "an evil corporation, that doesn't deserve their fees." But the reality is, if you feel that way, you should avoid Paypal entirely, rather than stealing from them.

 

And if you steal from Paypal...why should you then have the right to turn around and claim "Foul!" on someone else?

 

Seems reasonable to me.

 

Thoughts?

My thoughts?

If I'm understanding correctly, then your proposal seems quite unreasonable.

Sometimes sellers on this here site will privately request payments via PP Personal; you're saying if I comply with the seller's request and send funds via PP Personal, then I am voiding my ability to nominate said seller to the PL if they end up not completing their end of the deal?

:shrug:

Just to let you guys know on the WD 144 SDCC exclusive - I don't know if they held any back but the last copies on the table at the booth were the last copies at the show. Maybe fifty left total.

Dre, what about the 5th Anniversary boxes, were there a lot left?

Just bought my first ever OA page. Invincible #117 page 7

 

First OA? Be careful, I hear it's addicting!

I want the Michonne action figures and maybe another anniversary box if they post them for $80.

Don't care much for the head/face sculpt. Something feels off about it and doesn't look like Negan imo.

at first glance this looked like a good deal

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-SDCC-Exclusive-Image-Skybound-5th-Anniversary-Box-Set-Variant-Walking-Dead-/131553037215?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea12c0b9f

 

then I noticed he rifled through them..though he only opened them to take pictures of the books so that was nice of ...I guess the b/w witchdoctor 1 isn't bad.

 

wonder if any of these sealed auctions on ebay were re-shrinkwrapped.

"Only opened to photograph books."

Ummm... yeah... right! I bet he really did only open it to photograph the books.

Cool hardcover.

I think the pose they chose makes it look that way. Still an awesome piece, though.

Hans wife had a mask, very similar circumstances.

But was it revealed who she was before she took off the mask? Nope

 

Same thing with Gene Simmons, Paul Stanly, Peter Criss, and Ace Frehley. KISS didn't exists until they took the masks off. Slipknot too. Corey Taylor is real now.

Loot crate is fine without the loot crate logo.

I actually like the simplicity of the Loot Crate cover; zombie and nothing else but the branding placed ingeniously on the ripped up shirt.

Jesus in 91 and Paul in 92......

(thumbs u

yeah what they said... Same goes for Jesus and his first appearance.

Paul Monroe cameo in TWD #91; first full appearance is TWD #92.

Went looking for comics. Found this.

Still looking for information on it, but one major dealer has told me its from the 1880's.

 

Its a glass negative of Lincoln at Antietam.

 

That is beyond cool. Probably worth quite a bit. Where did you find it?

 

I agree. I dont know if negatives could be duplicated, which leads me to believe this is an original?

If so, this could be worth well within the tens of thousands?

Man if that's an original, you've made one helluva find! Would be museum worthy.

138 > 132 on Alpha IMO. Yes we find out its Alpha cameo or whatever in 132 (after the fact) but we don't see her face or hear her identified as Alpha.

 

+1

 

#132 has a few things going against it that could affect its desirability as a key book.

-No cover appearance on the main cover or on the Loot Crate version.

-There is a Loot Crate version.

-The cameo page doesn't reveal anything. No face, no name, no indication it's a leader figure.

 

#138 is the big reveal, name, face, intent, introduction etc.

 

I've had this discussion with a friend for months. I think her appearance in the mask is more important than without. Like Dr. Doom or Batman, the mask is part of who she is...so far. That and the only guy involved in the book on these boards said 132.

Just read it

 

I'm more upset about Rosita than I am Ezekial. This is going to get messy. Rick is going to have to enlist Negan and the Saviors, if he wants to stand a chance against the Whisperers.

 

 

This was my reaction too. Rosita was a big deal in my mind. She also had a baby on the way. That makes it even more brutal.

Oh mess, I forgot about that.

 

That makes me feel even worse. Eugene is going to be devastated.

So after all the "Nate is the only artist for NM" talk, ES ended up going with a new artist?

 

What a trip!

 

 

It was likely all a negotiating stance. Don't him off until you straighten out who owns what in order to move forward.......

Very true.

So after all the "Nate is the only artist for NM" talk, ES ended up going with a new artist?

What a trip!

RK asking for someone to bootleg the Deadpool trailer for him...

James, my friend, is your addiction such that you are now counterfeiting TWD funny books?

 

The Pearl is in the river

Bernie sends his compliments.