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1 hour ago, Math Teacher said:

Since you're bringing up Statistics, perhaps you should look at the definition of outlier: a data point on a graph or in a set of results that is very much bigger or smaller than the next nearest data point.

Congratulations on being able to do a google search.  Perhaps you should read my post in context with regard to the use of the word "Statistics," what do you think?

10 hours ago, batmiesta said:

Not many collecters care about magazines in general thankfully for us that do.

If Marvel sticks with its Horror tie-in phase, there are going to be alot of people on the outside looking in when it comes to HG magazine books.  Few and far between in HG.

11 hours ago, lou_fine said:

I certainly hope you are not suggesting that this $20K result based upon 2 totally blind and I am sure automated computerized sniping bids in the last 7 seconds from 2 individuals who most likely thought no other bidder would place a similar irrational atomic bomb style bid is the new normal for X-Men 94 in CGC 9.6.  I believe you need to have this same result occur in a fully visible step-by-step bidding format auction before you can say this.  Especially since the last 2 CGC 9.6 sales on HA since October came in at $7,800; the last one on CC came in at $6,988 in December, and this one here was sitting in the $8K range before the last 2 out of this universe blind Hail Mary snipe bids came in with only 7 seconds left in the auction. 

 

How real is this disparity between grades when grading is really still more of an art (i.e. based upon a human opiniong at a particular point in time) as opposed to an exact science, coupled with all of the gamification that is taking place when it comes to the grading and slabbing of comic books.  After 20 years of certification, it still puzzles me as to why some buyers would pay multiples more for tiny increases in subjective grades when we have seen books at times go from CGC 4.0 all the way up to CGC 9.0 and books from CGC 9.0 be "maximized" all the way up to CGC 9.8.    

Considering I didnt suggest anything close to what you wrote in your first paragraph in response to my post, you should go back and re-read what I wrote more carefully.  Or not.  Or, even better, don't speculate on why the bid history is what it is, unless you are one of the two folks that bid over 20,000 for that book.  Or maybe you are both bidders.  Anyway, the say you are "sure" about how this played out is not accurate, you don't know. Great guess though.

With regard to your second paragraph, grading may be an art, but the quantification of grades related to the values of those books (which is what someone is willing to pay for the books in their various grades) is a science, and an exact one, called "Statistics." Again, to skip over your guessing game (gamification ), isn't the proof in the sales data?  Just because you don't believe in it doesn't make it wrong because it actually works in a way opposite of your viewpoint.

You sell books on this website, and probably other platforms.  To give your position any veracity, should you be open to selling a 9.4 graded copy of Book X for a price more consistent with a 9.2 graded copy or a 9.0 graded copy?  Because why would "some buyers would pay multiples more for tiny increases in subjective grades when we have seen books at times go from CGC 4.0 all the way up to CGC 9.0 and books from CGC 9.0 be "maximized" all the way up to CGC 9.8 [?]" (cut and pasted out of your statement.) (Emphasis Added.)

Put your position through the test, post the books for sale with prices based on the principle of the matter and lets see where we all end up.

13 hours ago, BrooksR said:

 That was the first book I bought off the racks as a kid. 44 is a cool lady jaye cover too.

 

Lady Jaye and rack in the same sentence. 

14 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Well the census disparity between 9.6/9.4 is wider than between 9.4/9.2. The 9.0s are really high in census. Just anectodaly It does seem like there's a few 9.4 listings everyday as opposed to 9.6s going unavailable for some extended periods. I think the main thing that comes out of this is there's going to be a holding pattern with 9.6s for awhile as buyers get sticker shock. I suspect this 20k result will benefit 9.4s in the shorter term 

I think this is spot on. Certainly looking at the bidding history on Comiclink for the 94 shows a wide jump between the cluster of final bids in the two bids that pushed it over the $20,000 amount. But the reality is this book in 9.6 grade could be had for 6000 and change a half a year ago, and it is impossible to see a market correction that brings it back to 7500 or 8000. The fact of the matter is that the disparity between grades is a real thing, and to take it one step further, you also have the issue of white pages versus off-white to white pages, and these very bowls, along with the fact that this is a stone cold lock top five bronze age key, it’s not hard to see the new market for this book settling in at The $15,000 range, with nowhere to go but up. This is also one of the books that transcends whether or not there is a movie in the works, or a Netflix series, or a Disney+ show, etc. as this will always be a desirable book from The perspective of a seasoned collector, but it doesn’t hurt that over the next 10 years when the X universe moves into the marvel and Disney realm, this book and giant size X-Men one will be front and center in terms of the books to have, and any grade, but especially 9.6 and 9.8.

40 minutes ago, Wolverinex said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned but a X men 94 9.8 sold for 20k

Also all other grades are selling pretty hot on ebay right now too... I was a little shocked by the prices. Guess everyone is getting a companion for their GSX1

I did not have a bid tracker in on the 9.8 #94, but I did track (and put a legit bid) on a #94 in 9.6 grade...at that went for $20,367 I think...if there was a 9.8 that went for that, it was a steal, before and after the 9.6 went off.

13 hours ago, batmiesta said:

I would forget price tracking bids on this Clink auction, think of a fair price you would pay for a book then times it by four. 

The She Hulk Rocky Mountain ended at 1900.

Some other notables:

Star Wars 1 9.8 white $4600

TOD 10 9.6 white $5981

X-Men 50 9.8 ow-w $9,100

X-Men 54 9.6 white Rocky Mountain $1450

X-Men 96 9.8 white CVA $3315

X-Men 129 9.8 white  $3100 (horrible cover wrap)

Not Bronze but:  X-Men 266 9.8 white direct $978

On 2/21/2021 at 1:13 PM, Poekaymon said:

9.2 OW on ha.com is already up to $7200 and  And a 7.0 OW-W for $3500--both with time to go.  And that hits me harder since I don't pay tax on eBay but I do on ha.  Will be interesting to see where they end up, but if I had to guess, they'll make that 9.4 sale seem less outrageous than it did at the time of your post.

The 9.6 on Comiclink went off last night for a shade under 19,000

DK #1 9.8 for $1000 was the most surprising of all of the Clink auctions I had tracking bids on last night, which has been a 550-650 book for the past year or so.  561 blue 9.8s, not the biggest number, but not that small of a number either.  Tough to keep this book in 9.8 condition due to the square binding.  

3 hours ago, manetteska said:

IMO, the (vast?) majority of these multi-thousand dollar prices are being realized due to Investors not Collectors.

Or both, or neither.  Not sure why it matters?

11 hours ago, kimik said:

I know it is not a Bronze Age book, but the 1.5 XMen 1 closed at $7800 tonight as well. You could buy 3.5s for less a month or two ago. 
 

The other Bronze XMen closed decently as well. Looks like the XMen run up continues unabated.

9.2 with OW pages.  Is a GXM 1 9.6 at 20K book now?  Is a GXM 1 9.8 a 40K book now?  Close to 10K graded, less than 600 9.8s and 9.6s.

On 2/15/2021 at 4:58 PM, jokiing said:

All 15 of my X-Force 1 have negative Captain and I came away with 4 Deadpool cards

You are so rich. 💯

On 2/15/2021 at 6:38 PM, Hamlet said:

I have six copies and no Deadpool card.  No found money for me 😀

You are so poor. 😢

I have been looking for PPSSM 87 for about 6 months.  12 9.8s in the census, no 9.8s for sale presently, last sale was in October 2020.  PP reveals identity to the Black Cat.  That 80s-90s run of SM/BC is a pretty decent read, but could be a good book down the road when BC makes it into the MCU.  

11 hours ago, BigLeagueCHEW said:

Go buy 10

Okay.  You go figure out how comic book collecting, buying, and selling works.

8 hours ago, RedGiant said:

Updated: My CFD registry set as of 2/9/2021 (added another 9.8 LE, only two to go)

A beautiful, beautiful collection. Very well done.

5 hours ago, BigLeagueCHEW said:

Well, think about it, average Joe has 5K cash/reserve laying around these days? Do we honestly think it would be a wise investment charging this thing to a credit card and making payments on it? Most do.

I am at an age where need vs. want has to be considered. I am not going to pay that much for a book, even if it goes up in value for the time being, or a speculated long term.

I just don't want to buy something, and then it looses value as the years go by, thinking w-t-heck did I buy this during a hype, when I should have waited.

I...I think you might be in the wrong thread, forum, message board, collectible market, planet.  I don’t know of anything else to say to you.

44 minutes ago, BigLeagueCHEW said:

 How much more are we looking at? Since it is at 5K, are we talking 10K?

Is this a serious question?

5 hours ago, BigLeagueCHEW said:

Depends, with stimulus money coming in, tax returns, it's just a bubble IMO. I still don't think it's worth 5K. And even if it holds at 5K, it's not like I can't just open up the internet and buy one right?

Maybe I will sell enough comics that the market is paying to regain a loss if I choose to buy one, and if it goes down in value.

We'll see, again, not in a rush to buy something not rare.

I did buy an ASM 238, with the semi low census numbers, and the hard retention of the tattoos, I think this book was not hoarded like 300.

Sounds like a plan.  Paying more for something later, even though the price keeps going up because of demand, not rarity, makes really super good sense. 

On 2/1/2021 at 9:53 PM, BigLeagueCHEW said:

I haven’t bothered to buy one yet, I don’t think it’s worth 5K. Even if I decided to, there is always one listed somewhere. It’s not rare.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that it is rare, but rather, the demand simply outweighs the supply. If you are not buying one because “there’s always one listed somewhere,” at some point, haven’t you noticed that this book that is always listed keeps getting more expensive and more expensive?

I wish there was a Quickidation thread every week, no everyday.

16 hours ago, MAR1979 said:

Is it just me or do many books at clink auctions garner 15-25% higher prices than on eBay. I've also seen common (non Joe) books that just sit on eBay at lower prices go for decent money at clink. makes me think that even if no reserve their system enters a minimum at some point before the auction ends.

Joe #1 does now go for 2K on eBay in 9.8 so probably not the right topic for me to have placed my above paragraph.

It does make sense #1 has hit the $2000 plateau even though the population of the book in CGC 9.8 compared to other books is on the high side. 

- #1 and #2 (low distribution compared to previous and next issues)  are books that were pretty much HOT from the very day they went on-sale. Other issues in the run of course too were very hot during the 1980's but not from Day 1

- #1 and #2 are books that all kids collecting comics in 1982-end of decade had or wanted badly.

- #1 is one of the most remembered (classic) books and covers of the 1980's.

- It can be argued the TV Show and GI Joe #1 are Pop Culture symbols of a generation and the demand for #1 far outstrips supply

Speaking of Issue #2,  I recall as child getting it at an unplanned and unexpected visit to a comic book shop. Issue #3 was already out and no issue #2 appeared and my local newsstand racks.  For many reasons including the story it remains my favorite issue of the run. I still read it once a year.

My experience with Clink has been very different, I tend to buy stuff under GPA on Clink and Heritage (but thats because of the ridiculous 20% buyers premium), but with Joe 1, 2, 26, 27, 155, and of course 21, these books look like they are going there and staying there in terms of price climbs.

1 hour ago, BrooksR said:

Wow, I’ve never seen this before. Did they make more of these? Is it magazine size?

Man dont know a thing about it.  I googled it to figure out what the contents of the book are, but thats as far as I got.  I dont have it in hand yet from Comic Link, but I am betting its in a magazine holder, as its three comics in one book effectively.  It just really through me off that there is one CGC submitted book.  I like collecting the hard to find ARAH era stuff, but this is just the outlier of all outliers.

43 minutes ago, WoWitHurts said:

I had my eye on that IM 100. It got to be more than I was wanting to pay given my other purchases. Maybe next time.

The last one I saw was on eBay maybe about a month ago, and it went off for around 380 I think, and then I didn’t see one until the CLink auction. More than I wanted to pay, just didn’t want to miss the boat again.

Got this during the last Clink auction.  TPB of ARAH 3, 6, and 7.  Census: 1 graded copy, this one.  Just stumbled on it.  Anyone know the backstory?  Its Marvel, but I have never seen it before.

#1 ARAH 9.8 went for 1995 on Clink two night ago.  The ship has officially sailed.  To me 26 and 27 have to be next that get up to a grand each.