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3 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

Been there, done that, sport. Many times. 

Try to keep up. 

-J.

Sure you have!  Post the links please!  Or not! 

8 hours ago, Jaydogrules said:

Put up or shut up.

I'm ready.   

-J.

Prove that you are right; you are the one that comes into this thread pounding your trashcan.  Do the work and the math, you win the thread and can go back to wherever you hang on on here.  I'm waiting. 

On 4/30/2021 at 9:23 PM, Jaydogrules said:

Not really.   You are simply delusional if you think "white pages" on the label results in a 15-20k difference in price.  

-J.

You are completely right except for the sales data part of it.

23 hours ago, 1Cool said:

Ugh - it’s bad enough to have spec being driven by movie news but this is quite a stretch.  I’ve got a few but I just can’t see people clambering for it long term (or even short term)

Says the guy the uses Key Collector?

The Terapeak seach engine now free, way better than Watchcount:

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/Terapeak-Product-Research-is-now-free-to-all-sellers/ba-p/31797231?fbclid=IwAR3zVvm534waB6cEL3ABjDCLfYalIvsn3lzKS6EGIOTZgCif_uZoXkMeBHU

The GSX 1 9.6 (white pages) that went off last night was for a $28,250.00 best offer.

18 hours ago, october said:

Zero chance that hits 9.0 or better. 

LOT and I mean a LOT of dumb money sloshing around in the hobby right now. 

I'm not a shill bidding conspiracy theorist on the regular, but it looks like there may have been some shilling bidding around the 2100 dollar bids, up to the 3400 dollar bids, though in the end, the winner and the runners up appear to be organic bidders.  But regardless, that book does come close to a 9.0, under any circumstances.

The thing about 94, and how in the end it might be a tougher grade than a GSX 1, is that cover, properly colored, is unforgiving in terms of spine breaks, ticks, and wear.  The squarebound nature of the binding of the GSX 1 saved alot of those imperfections that you can't skate by with the 94 (this doesnt take into the horribly pressed GSX 1s which some person_without_enough_empathy made into a regular bound book).

13 hours ago, Pantodude said:

I collect currency, too, mostly early U.S.  That background makes the disparity between Can PVs and UKPVs even more baffling if, as you suggest, it is because of the mere presence of the "9d" vs "12c" in that tiny section of the UKPV cover.  Seems like folks forget that our first currency was colonial currency in the few decades leading to the creation of this country, and that currency (in the mid-1700s) was often denominated using the British system!   See below for a Pennsylvania note. How cool is that?  That (and of course the relative scarcity!) makes the UKPVs very intriguing to me.  And then there's the completionist in me, too.  Hope to amass more fraternal twins (cents/UKPVs) for my early SA keys, but I expect that will take a life time.  Eager for the hunt!   To each his own, of course. 

Would someone care to PM when this thread goes back to being even remotely on point with content that corresponds with the thread title? tia. And jfc.

55 minutes ago, Pantodude said:

You are referring to the charts again?  That milehigh info was consistent with my experience.  Anyway you know it’s a red herring, right?  Did you miss the memo about how the charts are largely irrelevant to the real issue here—whether premiums for newsstand versions of keys COULD be justified for high-grade books from the 1980s and early 1990s?  Sheesh.  

I'm pretty sure the hole just gets deeper the more you try to dig out of it, friend.

19 hours ago, Pantodude said:

Aw, come on now.  You might mislead a noob hanging on your every word for guidance.  The charts are legit, as they essentially mirror the charts offered in a newsletter by milehighcomics and charts by rarecomics based on CBCS census data.   Unless that info is also BS, here's a link with those charts (you'll need to scroll at least half the way down).   https://rarecomics.wordpress.com/category/direct-edition-vs-newsstand-edition-comic-books/  All other articles on this issue say the same thing with their own charts, presumably based on the same population data.   

Is this where everyone else quit reading this post as well?

MSC Ghost Rider 1 9.4 with white pages = $2650.00, ended last night. 

Your GSX 1 9.2 (ow-o) is now a five-figure book, enjoy.

https://comics.ha.com/itm/bronze-age-1970-1979-/superhero/giant-size-x-men-1-marvel-1975-cgc-nm-92-off-white-to-white-pages/a/122115-13304.s?ic2=mytracked-lotspage-lotlinks-12202013&tab=MyTrackedLots-101116

1 hour ago, PKJ said:

My cousin an I  are outcasts, we do not hunt, fish or own multiple boats.

I have to come clean then. I don’t hunt, I fish once a year, but it’s more like just being outside and drinking with friends while wearing waders than fishing. I own no boat. And I have literally one cousin.

So here we are, a couple of frauds.

1 hour ago, PKJ said:

I feel like you just described some of my kin folk..

Well then we are...probably related. And when I say “probably” I mean 100% absolutely.

Let me ask you this, how many trout did you catch back in March?

7 hours ago, Off Panel said:

 

I don't know if these people are "crypto dudes," hedge fund managers, Appalachian lottery winners, Q-Anon adherents, NXIVM cultists, or all of the above, but it definitely feels like current catalysts are occurring outside the hobby. 

As for my proof, I haven't got a shred. I'm all crazy hypotheses and tin foil hats at this point.

Unless “comics” means guns, four-wheelers, more guns, condos in Myrtle Beach, a 100,000 truck where you finance the insurance, and tax, tag, and title, and some guns, it’s not them.

9 hours ago, wombat said:

I will say one thing that will be very depressing. I went to a smaller local show a few weeks ago. Sticking with the theme of this thread I only bought a few things because the prices are just getting out of reach. I always look forward to Baltimore Comicon every year, but do I really want to spend a day looking at stuff I can't afford?

It’s interesting you being up that con. The best part about that con was the buying opportunities, but it is also (for the better) at the end of the con season, which I think is why you could get breaks on books left and right: it’s either sell it at price X, or hold onto it for the winter. My plan is just to review the booth list before I go. Sure, the same core of dealers will be there, but they are always overpriced. If the “guys between the lines” that I buy from by the short box aren’t there, then it’s more than likely what you are fearing it will be, just a bunch of guys standing in front of their overpriced plastic.

6 minutes ago, Hollywood1892 said:

Old label probably won't win but this is promising 

 

https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FSEARCH.ASP%3FFocusedOnly%3D1%26where%3Dauctions%26title%3DAmazing%2BSpider-Man%2B300%26GO%3DGO%26ItemType%3DCB%23Item_1466189&id=1466189&itemType=0

Old Label?

https://comics.ha.com/itm/bronze-age-1970-1979-/superhero/giant-size-x-men-1-marvel-1975-cgc-nm-96-off-white-to-white-pages/a/7242-92139.s

22,000.00 with ow-w pages, 26,400 with buyers premium

just went off

2 hours ago, HighRadArt said:

Was that 115k in US dollars or Canadian?  Regardless, congrats on the sale.

wtf.

What value are you assigning to a ASM 300 9.8 (direct and/or newsstand) in this deal?

15 minutes ago, drotto said:

Nice copy but that upper left corner is fairly brutal.  I would put that at a 8.5 maybe a 9.

And plenty of spine ticks on the back cover, though I would think some would press out, but still. 

7 hours ago, jsilverjanet said:

Sold a X-men 129 9.2 for $601 - Buyer has paid 

Well done. Out of curiosity, PQ?

10 hours ago, mjoeyoung said:

I would like to see the data that points to GSXM 1 being a 70K book.  20K? I see lots of recent data that supports that price.  It has been up to a 15k book for awhile so going up to 20k is not that unexpected, at least to me.  Cannot go wrong with more data, I would love to see it.  Just remember, there are also probably still some beanie baby message boards where they discuss how much their collectable was worth.

 

Nice!  I've been trying to get a coverless for a few years, keep getting sniped.

10 hours ago, lou_fine said:

Well, I believe this $70K price point is all based entirely on just that one CL auction result for $67,900 from a few days ago.  

As you have correctly indicated, we will certainly need to see more sales results in this price range before we can say whether this $70K price point is the new base for this book in CGC 9.8 or whether that last CL auction result was just an outlier.  I guess the upcoming auction for a copy of this GSXM 1 in CGC 9.8 in the current CC Event Auction will go a long way in determining this as it will add another valuable data point to the chart.      

Can either of you point out anywhere I wrote about any GXM 1 being 70,000? The thread I quoted mentioned a 7,000 amount, but please point out what either of you are using to attach me to a 70,000 amount. Otherwise, reading comprehension. 

But thanks to both of you for making my suggestion as to how to interpret this thread post by post absolutely, 100% true.

15 hours ago, MGsimba77 said:

Maybe time to stop drinking ☕ from this mug?...eh, screw it...if it fades it fades. It's too cool not to use it 🤟

On 3/26/2021 at 1:04 AM, mjoeyoung said:

But those are one of ones, completely unique items, like artwork.  If you want the original artwork for Wolverine's first appearance, there is ONLY one copy, so it goes for the big money.  GS X-Men and the like were mass produced in large quantities.  There are 10,000 copies in the CGC census alone, how many copies are in the wild?  There are 2,000 copies above 9.0.  These are not rare books.  Is there THAT much demand? Across all grades?  Maybe there will be an even bigger stratification between 9.8s and 9.6s, etc. (investment grade) and the lower grades.  Are people going to pay $7K for a 2.0?  I'm not saying it cannot happen, but how probable is it.

 

Aside from your personal opinion, given the data = Very.

The interesting theme to me in each of these posts in this thread, the Bronze Books Heating Up Thread, etc. is really a matter of perception of reality. The perception is these books that are selling for 3 or 4 times what they were last year are "not rare," which somehow sets up a barrier to continued purchases and higher sales. The sales data has proven this is just not true. 

And lets not kid ourselves and own up to this: if you are cheering for these books to keep going up and are bullish that they will, its because you already have what you want, in the grade that you want.  If you are bearish on these books and the "crash is near" and no way could demand be this strong or stay this way, its because you don't have these books. And to all the "I dont care or have a skin in the game" folks: fine, but if your not in this particular situation, you are in it on another book somewhere.  Not a slight to anyone, we are all on here because we love this "stuff" and remember, there is another message board out there full of passionate toy train collectors arguing about the exact same issue.