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Prices look lower on average across the board. Now that could mean people are going big on pieces and don't want to tip their hand or of course some weakness in the auction. We will know in a week!

I think it came out great and if you like it who cares what anyone else thinks. The issues comes if you ever decided to sell it. You would want to fully disclose the process(Would have been even better to have Jae quickly jot down what he did on back.) It would kill the interest in the piece for some people, some would be okay with it and pay about the same, and MAYBE a few would be willing to pay a bit extra compared to a similiar pencil page. It's just unlikely that you would ever get that extra money back, and I would probably opt to get the piece light boxed if that was an option.

Just another example of buyers not reading the description. It will get returned(if the buyer figures out what it is when they get it). Buyer should have put the word photocopy in the title.

WE will see how I do considering I have almost no interest in any of these pieces.(I really like the Miller and Zeck pieces, but not anything I collect.) 1. CAPTAIN AMERICA 68 COVER $90k 2. DAREDEVIL 165 MILLER SPLASH $31k 3. SWAMP THING 6 COVER WRIGHTSON $54k 4. RETURN JEDI COVER SIENKIEWICZ $36k 5. JIMMY CORRIGAN STORY CHRIS WARE $24k 6. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 259 COVER FRENZ $19.5k 7. SPIDER-MAN INDEX COVER MIKE ZECK $23k 8. DEFENDERS 4 COVER - STARLIN,ETC $29.1K 9. JLA 1 PANEL PAGE - SEKOWSKY $12k 10. PREACHER 19 PANEL PAGE -STEVE DILLON $1600

Add me to PM please.

Hasn't happened yet with some of the loaded HA auctions that has been going down, and I have a feeling it won't this time(but I hope too!) Nothing I have to have yet, but a few things I would really like to have.

I am going to try to shift the conversation a bit. We talked a lot about shifting demographics and their major effect on demand and supply being made available as collectors age out, but what about TOTAL supply of desirable OA? When we look at a basket of published desirable material, what percentage of what was made still exists, sitting neatly in the portfolios of black hole collectors that has not seen the light of day for 20+ years? If most of it is out there, maybe there is more than enough for everybody. However if most of it is lost to the winds, maybe the demand side may never be satiated. Also can over supply ever really occur of the desirable pieces that we know there is low supply of. We know exactly how many KJ pages there are, assuming none have been lost. on the flip side there are potentially thousands of desirable Kirby's out there. Does absolute supply of specific examples play into the future?

Hasn't the 'modern' version of sequential storytelling been around long enough for some to rise to the top? What's hot in comics, in OA from fifteen years ago that's 'modern' in form? I'm asking because I don't know and am curious! (And maybe looking for something good to read in tpb anyway that isn't Big Two same old same old.) Closest non big two I can think of at the moment that isn't TWD is Planetary I think? Cassaday Art, great Warren Ellis Story. Pretty much dead at this point, but A level panel pages are probably around $1k. Purely driven by fans of the series.

Pretty insightful view, I am going to have to kick it around in my head. Interestingly enough I just reread Miller Daredevil recently and I guess it has been awhile since I read anything older, because I could feel the compression, but I guess that way it had more impact. The Daredevil/Bullseye/Electra saga would probably be told in a story 5 times as long today. When it comes to decompressed storytelling I think the question is do the artist and writer add extra positive background/subplot to a story or not. When they don't it is like hitting your head against a wall, but when they do it can be like reading a good novel. I think there is still going to be key, impactful and sought after modern OA work, but they are very few and far between. You can probably count on both hands the work that people will care about in the future.

Message boards are actually on the decline, social media is where it's at for the younger collector to share and communicate. You often see people posting their most recent acquisitions in twitter. I also think the modern are indie collectors versus superhero collectors are a fairly different crowd. While the Scott Pilgrim guy may not be interested in vintage art, the Jock Batman guys grail still may be a DKR page.

The current modern art market(produced within the last 5 years) is probably deserving of its own thread, but some of the prices people are paying for this art is absolutely insane. I am seeing 1k+ for nice panel pages, $3k+ for nice splashes and $6k plus for covers, from artists not named Jim Lee or Greg Capullo, where the ink isn't even dry yet. I am willing to overpay for art, especially if the cash is going in the artists pocket, but not at 3 times what I think it would sell for at auction. Felix's updates are a breath of fresh air in the current market, because they art is almost always priced very fairly.

Great thread, I really think with all the current factors that play into the OA market(and the comic market) make for interesting analysis for the future of the hobby. I think most would agree the core route to the birth of a collector is adult male looking to recapture/relive the childhood/youthful happiness and buy the stuff from these days in a sometimes not so fun adult world. I think It is fair to call the silver age the kickstart to the birth of the current base of collectors. Those born in 1955 were 10 years old as the Marvel started to truly peak. It is very hard to find any males born in the late 50's who didn't read superhero comics as a kid. I am sure there are collectors who are older, but I would bet the collectors per capita tails off for those born pre 1955. This group of people who read paper sequential art as a kid runs all the way to about 1995 when the digital age really started to kick into gear. Those born in 1982(my age) were 10 years old when X-Men #1, The Death of Superman and some of these other major events hit the stand. I can actually remember buying books off of newsstand racks. Still children of a pre digital world. Those born in 1985 were hitting 10 years old at when the internet took off, and I would bet on the top end this is where collectors per capita starts to tail off on the top end.(It is incredibly difficult to find people born after 1990 who read comics as a child, have yet to meet one.) That gives you a group of collectors born from 1955-1985(30 years) who will find the hobby by standard means. The group today ranges from 32-62 years old. The bottom end getting ready for retirement, the top entering into their aggressive collecting periods, done with college, started a family and now have some extra coin in their pocket and need a hobby. The amount of new collectors that will be entering the hobby will now be shrinking(and quickly!) My gut tells me in about 15 years, when the youngest of those group are approaching 50 and the bulk of the group over 60 is where we may start to see some real issues develop in the market. Of course, it's not that simple, as the superhero genre has taken a hold on pop culture as perhaps nothing has before. The movies have dominated the box office for over a decade. How many copies of KJ and DKR sell every week? I am sure this will lead to collectors coming into the hobby from a nonconventional path. If you have a billion people who are introduced to the characters and 1/100th of them pick up a TPB that is 10 million people. If 1/100th of them become comic collectors that is 100 thousand people. If 1/100 of them become premium vintage collectors that is 1 thousand people. If half of them make the switch to OA that is 500 people. Now of course I am pulling these numbers from you know where, but the fact remains that there IS a number of people who will come to the hobby by other means. What kind of difference will it make? Damned if I know. I also wonder what the future of sequential art is? Does the paper comic die? Does the art form itself die? I sure hope not, but can't say it is impossible. What effect does this have on the OA market? As Gene said earlier, is there really any way the market can absorb 100 top shelf collections comics to the market, once a quarter, for the next 25 years? Only time will tell. I'll just gonna sit here in awe of the art I currently have, and patiently wait for Killing Joke pages and Kirby Silver Surfer to lose half their FMV

Either way, it will be interesting to see. (I am fairly neutral to which scenario will play out.) I wonder what exactly is the size of the current collector base? I have a feeling it may be larger than some people would think.

This is how I look at it(and would do it, probably for a few pieces actually.) If had to trade my whole collection and then just have that one and only piece forever. The answer would be no. It would be pretty boring no matter what it was.

Yeah, the additional art is what prompted the post, the other stuff is whatever floats your boat, but messing with the art..... I wonder why they didn't add a SNIKT!, should be worth another $5k

Is it possible the CAF link is just a cover proof of the production art? Considering all the facts I highly doubt it.

I bid on this piece, thought it went for a fair/very fair price and was kind of regretting not going higher. Now I REALLY regret it.

I would do it for the Batman 497 cover if my collection covered it in a heart beat. I think my collection might cover it.

Something of that nature. They also actually decided to add art and extend the legs and claw at the bottom.

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/sam-kieth-marvel-collector-s-edition-1-wolverine-cover-charleston-chew-giveaway-original-art-marvel-1992-/a/7141-93139.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 http://www.comicartfans.com/ForSaleDetails.asp?ArtId=547593

It looks like this is a fake Chinese knockoff set of these, but if they are real they are worth good money. Also check other coins for any actual silver/gold. They are worth at least spot and most sell significantly over. Those Superman rings are probably worth a couple hundred. That Batman/Joker BTAS framed piece is probably worth at least a few hundred depending on what it actually is. A lot of junk but a lot of stuff there is a market for as well. You just have to have a couple people sift through it ti separate the good from the bad.

I'm interested to see if they clear things like this up. I like the show, but it seems to have a lot of plot holes/plot silliness as compared to the average quality of the shows HBO puts out. One thing I thought was weird, was that Ford Had the old picture of Arnold sitting on his desk. No one has ever looked at the picture and said "Hey wait a minute, this doesnt make sense." I am also wondering about the HR department at Westworld. Do they have one? Does Bernard get a paycheck every month? Is there really nobody at the park who met Arnold or has ever seen a picture of him, considering he is one of the founders?

Yes, but... Oh yes, the show and writing in general is horrible and that scene as a whole was cringe-worthy. For some reason though I watch every week and enjoy it. The music in the scene put it over the top.

Okay, blowing up Azrael with the rocket launcher was hilarious. Did anyone catch who Strange was talking to in the preview for next week. It looked an awful lot like someone in a court of owls mask.

Keith has bought a couple books from me over the past few weeks, Quick payment and easy to deal with. A boardie who can easily be recommended.