NinjaSealed

I pretty much agree with your whole post. There are a lot of post 2000 pieces that would hit 5 figures. Almost too many to list. Many would end in the $12-18k range. I think there is a wall at the $20k range and then again at that $40k range. You can see the trend pretty often, so many pieces fall into that $34-38k bracket. Getting silly, do any of the A+ Hughes/Campbell/Dell'Otto cover hit the $40k price mark? USM #1 cover? Do any of the best Batman/Spider-man covers have a shot? The Tec #880 cover at auction would be very interesting.(Although i'm not sure is it digital/partially digital? Does anyone know?)

The post 2000 pieces that would hit $20k let alone $40k has to be a pretty small list. A+ Jim Lee Batman and The Walking Dead would be the only properties I think that may have multiple pieces that would do that. Most would be one offs. Is any post 2000 Mignola work over $20k? I am not sure how much non digital are Bolland is making at the moment, but if they existed I would think a few tings he has done post 2000 would break 20k. Is that DK3 #6 Miller cover that just sold at $55k the highest sale of published post 2000 comic art? Completely theoretical but if Saga #1 cover was not digital it would easily be a $20k plus piece. Y The Last Man #1 cover?

A small crowd as a percent of the OA market, sure. Do I think there are more than a few people who would actually PAY $60k for that cover? Hell no. You don't need nostalgia for this piece. That is only 1(although probably the biggest) driver of OA prices. It's the 1st app. status that will drive it.

Rule of 25 will pretty much cease to exist as far as print comics go pretty soon. Adults read comics not kids. I was trying to find a suitable book for my nephews to read last weekend and EVERY book I pulled out has something so adult there was no way I could let them read it. Look what people spend on Hush art. That market isn't millennials that read Hush as a kid. Look at what people are spending for Capullo Batman art. Childhood nostalgia means nothing to new art.

I like his art a lot(during my nostalgic period) and Mr. Sinister is a nostalgic character for me, but I wasn't interested in the piece because it was a giant head shot with gnarly teeth. If that was the same piece for a non important character I don't think it goes much higher than 1k.

I'm just saying that when something is being viewed as key iconic, comps don't matter at all. Look at the Mark Bright Wolverine/Spidey cover. The nostalgia factor blew the doors off what everyone was anticipating.

Carnage is another great example as well. I didn't bring him up because he has a "clouded" 1st appearance buildup. Then again I guess you could say Harley and X-23 do to both having pre comic appearances(something that the market appears to ignore).

Agree completely. It is all conjecture unless we see those pieces hit the auction block. I do however think that some of those appearances outside of Venom MAY be 6 figure pieces as well.

and I am sure he is not the only one who would snap make that purchase at that price. That is an interesting piece to handicap as I am sure it would break $100k but $200k kind of seems impossible for it.

I have little interest in it as well, but I do think it is probably tops in 1st app. late 80's plus art. Using that as the top of the hierarchy and something like the Mr. Sinister splash I think it is helpful to plot where all the other pieces in between are roughly worth.

Collins UXM #266 is relevant to the conversation for sure. Comping the baseline value for this page might be tough, just because I am not sure is there is another splash that is so bleh. The full facial jagged teeth is just to me personally. When I stated my range, I fully took speculative value into the equation, I think you HAVE to on this piece. She is now a "comic household" name. She is the one thing people actual like in the god awful books Marvel is currently putting out. NYX #3 is the most valuable non short print run modern there is. FWIW I do like the NYX 3 cover better than the UXM 221 splash, and those concept drawings(the claws out one) add a lot to it for me. BA12 I would love to see before I really set a price, but I just can't see that cover doing sub 50k in any way. Can we agree ASM #299 Venom splash is a 100k+ piece?

I agree, That would factor in on ALL of the pieces we are talking about for sure. If the NYX 3 piece doesn't perform well that will be the cause. As you mentioned before, there is A LOT of white empty space on that cover, and claws out would have made it a lot cooler. That's one of the things that make TWD #19 cover so damn cool. It might be one of the best/classic modern images there is.

That's the funniest thing, I am not even a Marvel guy but I think she is pretty damn cool. FWIW I don't rank her among characters like Venom/Harley ETC at the moment, but I see the potential. Oh yeah, and the SNIKT feet.

That $6-8k is almost entirely based on the fact that it is the first shot of Mr. Sinister don't you think? It has very little to do with UXM main run/being Silvestri when the quality and "cool factor" of the art are taken into account. Mr. Sinister is not even in the top 30? characters developed since the late 80's and a crappy image of him is pulling $8k? I think it stands to reason a character like X-23, or especially Harley who also first appears on a great cover is going to have a value of multiples of that.

It may be fun to throw out a bunch of recent "comps" for 1st app. work to see how crazy some of this stuff has went for recently This one was particularly nuts https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/marc-silvestri-and-dan-green-uncanny-x-men-221-splash-page-1-mr-sinister-original-art-marvel-1987-/a/7124-92230.s?ic4=OtherResults-SampleItem-071515

I think putting the top 90's-current 1st app/key work up at this time may yield results that would surprise people, I think the market has come a long way in even the past few years on many of those works. Hell I am kind of hoping I am wrong. Maybe I should throw some wanted ads with prices out there on the modern works out there I would pay apparently crazy prices for and see if I can land some.

Again I ask to look at the spread between Trimpe Hulk 180/181 values vs his average or even best other work. It doesn't translate. Same thing for the BA12 cover. Also, I honestly thing it is a generational thing, because I don't know a collector who WOULDN'T know that cover.

I wanted to put a price I could come up with quickly just so I wasn't puffing hot air. If I bought it, it would be to flip. I would place the over/under on the BA12 cover at $100k

What is the second highest price for a Trimpe piece?

I had a much longer response typed out, but decided to delete it and just say IMO your are very wrong. And FWIW i'll make an open offer of $30k for the BA12 cover (assuming it's in good condition.) The chances of that cover only selling for $25k is absolutely crazy. Also not sure if you know this (or if you were implying it) but those are not prelims to the actual BA12 cover. It is for a convention variant? produced last year.

Ink over graphite on Marvel Bristol board! Nice! Now it is pencil and ink!

I already know it is one of your permanent collection pieces.

If this sell for under $12k I will eat a piece of art from my collection. If it sells for over you offer me one of the many pieces from your collection that I drive me jealous with rage for FMV?

I forgot to add to the list of negatives, that there is obviously no real nostalgia attached to this piece and the fact that there are no claws out is a drawback. I will say my opinion is coming from someone on the younger side of the collecting pool, as well as someone who also collects comics so my viewpoint may be different then many here. The people that will go after this are the same type of people who pay $5k+ for Capullo Batman pages and $10k for published GGA heroine J Scott Campbell pin ups. The same people who see Jim Lee Hush as grail pieces. This is the first appearance of the best property to come from Marvel since Deadpool/Venom/Gambit/Cable. It's a cover AND it comes with several concepts pieces. As far as 1st App. art since the year 2000, You have WD1, WD19, and probably this to round out the top 3(I am sure I may forgetting something). Didn't the 1st app of Talon in Batman #2 N52 sell for around $15k? This will not sell for only $15k.

Well, I may end up looking like the village insufficiently_thoughtful_person but I still so no way in hell it sells for only 15k. $60k is my upper range bidding war number if a couple people really want it, but I would be shocked at anything less than $35k-40k. I'm curious why everyone thinks it goes for ~$15k? Is it the artist? The fact that it is newer art and is kind of unfinished compared to the published cover? The fact that it is only a little over 10 years old? Technically not a first appearance since she was a cartoon character first?