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Nope ! Metro has an open offer of $450k for a 9.4, so it will hit at least that. I'm sticking with an easy half a milly. -J. Well then he or she is gonna be pizzed if it sells for less than 4-fiddy! Actually $500 K if you count the vig under 425 with vig Care for a gentlemanly wager ? -J. Sure. I win, you ship over the Tec 33. You win, you ship over the Tec 33 That's what I call a win/win! (for you ) -J.

Nope ! Metro has an open offer of $450k for a 9.4, so it will hit at least that. I'm sticking with an easy half a milly. -J. Well then he or she is gonna be pizzed if it sells for less than 4-fiddy! Actually $500 K if you count the vig under 425 with vig Care for a gentlemanly wager ? -J.

Received this not too long ago. As promised at the end of last year, finally able to join the club. Only need a a couple more Campbell books and I can refocus on my silverage keys. Happy to cross this off the list. Very nice jreezy! Where did you pick up this bad boy from ? -J.

Nope ! Metro has an open offer of $450k for a 9.4, so it will hit at least that. I'm sticking with an easy half a milly. -J.

It shouldn't have and I don't think it did. In my experience, CGC has lately tended to be pretty hard on tanning, much less hard on dust shadows. Without having bought the grader's notes, I would guess they considered this a dust shadow and, so, failed to hammer it. I agree with you, though, that it's off-putting and the type of flaw I tend to avoid with books in my ballpark. Of course, this book is in a different ballpark -- actually, more like a different sport altogether. +1 At worst it's a dust shadow. "NM" is not a perfect book, and this is a solid NM copy. -J.

Bout damn time! -J.

$500K. Because it's a NM copy of the #3 book in the hobby. -J. Eye Roll all you want. But it sure as mess is not NM So then don't buy it? -J.

$500K. Because it's a NM copy of the #3 book in the hobby. -J.

Currently at $215k. -J.

+1 If anything by the time the movie comes out there'll be 200 9.8's for sale. It's the flood of people cashing out of a book once a.movie or TV show comes out that causes prices of books to decrease/plummet. As someone pointed out earlier the only exception to this rule seems to be Walking Dead 1. -J. As long as Deadpool remains relevant, be it movies, comics, toys, video games etc, NM98 will have a $600-700 floor. Probably stay in the range it is now, with minor fluctuations. Walking Dead is the tough one. When the show ends, and the comic winds down, what happens? I know that I wouldnbint to have to try and sell a 9.8 for $2k 10 years after the show ended. Kirkman has said on multiple occasions that the comic will go on long after the show ends. And even when the show eventually does end, look for movies and spin offs. Walking Dead as a title is a bona fide institution now. Deadpool has the spotlight now. But unfortunately he's being speculated on because of the movie. I agree that $700 is probably the floor regardless of how many copies hit the census though. But even that is 30% below its peak movie hype price . -J.

+1 If anything by the time the movie comes out there'll be 200 9.8's for sale. It's the flood of people cashing out of a book once a.movie or TV show comes out that causes prices of books to decrease/plummet. As someone pointed out earlier the only exception to this rule seems to be Walking Dead 1. -J.

Wolverine ain't exactly PG-13 either (at least not in the comics) I am personally glad that the miscast Jackman is finally hanging it up. I hope the next cinematic Wolverine is down and dirty and feral and snarling and not the borderline Boy Scout Abercrombie & Fitch model version that Jackman has given us. There are way too many high grade copies of NM 98 for it to be "the next Hulk 181" price wise, but I don't ever see the book selling for less than $700 no matter how many copies are on the census. Deadpool is a solid B list character now (with the only real A listers being Bats, Supes, your friendly neighborhood Spider, and Wolvie just one half tick below those three on the A team). -J. Fair warning, this is off topic. Most modern incarnations of Wolverine are not feral or snarling - comics, cartoons or movies. I get it that is your favorite version, but the character hasn't really been like that in some time. Maybe Jackman is a little too "pretty," but I can't see Marvel taking one of their largest properties and making him less appealable to children/preteens/teens. :shrug: FYI - Jackman is HUGELY popular as Wolverine on an international scale. The only people that really complain about him are comic nerds. To most of the general public he is Wolverine and via versa. Exactly. And if Fox wants to "move on from Jackman" they're going to have to take the character in a different direction. They're best bet would probably be to marginalize the character and make him more old school. I appreciate what Jackman has done with the character but I have never been a fan of that "pretty boy" portrayal. That's just not Wolverine. That's movie Wolverine. The movie going public will probably have to see something different - a different interpretation if you will- to even accept someone different in the role. That's the problem you get when you have one guy playing an iconic character too long. But if Christopher Reeves (RIP) can be recast then anyone can. -J.

Wolverine ain't exactly PG-13 either (at least not in the comics) I am personally glad that the miscast Jackman is finally hanging it up. I hope the next cinematic Wolverine is down and dirty and feral and snarling and not the borderline Boy Scout Abercrombie & Fitch model version that Jackman has given us. There are way too many high grade copies of NM 98 for it to be "the next Hulk 181" price wise, but I don't ever see the book selling for less than $700 no matter how many copies are on the census. Deadpool is a solid B list character now (with the only real A listers being Bats, Supes, your friendly neighborhood Spider, and Wolvie just one half tick below those three on the A team). -J.

+1 The Hulk is certainly far more ingrained in pop culture than the Flash. The new show is obviously doing a lot to help but it is airing on a third rate network. Crossing over to supergirl seems more designed to help that struggling show than the Flash. Hopefully people will follow him back to his own show on the CW. I do wish they would use the same actor for the movies as the show. The different actor might throw some people off (especially if he sucks). We'll just have to wait and see on that. Not saying showcase 4 won't ever be the "#2" book. But I do seem to notice a certain price resistance at some levels that I do not see with hulk 1. Hulk 1 has obviously cooled in some mid grades the last few months. But that is likely the calm before the storm. The more I see about the third Thor movie the more it looks like Planet Hulk. -J.

So because an ultra high grade copy hasn't been put out to the public market its not number 2...seems like a terrible qualifier in terms of which book is number 2.. Anymore "terrible" than declaring it the "#2" book based solely on three or four sales in low to mid grade on GPA last year ? -J.

Until someone sees fit to spend $320k+ on any copy of an SC 4, hulk 1 is the number 2 book. -J.

The book was actually going between $450-$475 when the movie was announced and jumped to as high as a $1000 before settling into its current $750-$850 range. -J.

The supply of this book in high grade seems to be never ending. But I don't think the popularity of the character or the series of movies will ever allow the book to drop below $700 in a 9.8. -J.

Chuck we really aren't disagreeing on the main points any further. So I'm not sure why you keep coming at me. And I never said variants are printed to order. I said that Marvel prints up to the nearest case. And I have already given an example in an earlier post as to how several dozens or even up to 100 "extra copies" of a book will be printed that were not ordered and I also explained how it is very likely that those are the few books that end up in five packs or blown out in a variant sale every few years once enough of them from various titles have built up to warrant such an offering. I have also explained how "event books" like star wars spider gwen and pretty much any "#1" will probably have one or two extra cases printed in anticipation of a higher than average demand. These will not be produced as a typical run of the mill variant for obvious reasons. And it would explain why those are predominately the kinds of books that have been distributed at cons. But again , this is an infinitesimal , microscopic percentage of variants that even just one publisher produces in a year. Where you go wrong is trying to extrapolate these intermittent examples into being "the norm", thus giving the false and ludicrous impression that ALL incentive based variants are produced without the slightest regard for how many are actually ordered and whether or not they will ever be distributed. That's where a rather large credibility gap becomes exposed. -J.

+1 Yup. -J. The number of extra Star Wars variants far exceeded a case size of 200/225, so this is a new development. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that Marvel would in fact over print a book that was as heavily anticipated and ordered like star wars. -J. I'm seriously confused about what you are saying. Marvel prints variants rounded up to the case size or they overprint those variants? You seem to be arguing both situations in this thread. Is it possible you just don't know? Hardly. Marvel prints variants to the nearest case. For an "event book" or pretty much any big "#1" release one should expect Marvel to over print beyond what would be the norm for a 1:XXX variant, I.e. printing a case or two extra as a hedge against overwhelming demand. We are once again using one extreme example (star wars) as a way to question how marvel in fact prints the vast, vast majority of its run of the mill incentive variants. There really isn't anything confusing about it. -J.

+1 Yup. -J. The number of extra Star Wars variants far exceeded a case size of 200/225, so this is a new development. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that Marvel would in fact over print a book that was as heavily anticipated and ordered like star wars. -J.

+1 Yup. -J. As usual, you have tried to frame the conversation around that which makes you think you're right. Here's the time line of events: In 2013 Diamond sells massive amounts of overstock incentive variants for 75 cents each. Marvel comes under scrutiny from retailers for printing more copies than the 'incentive' states. Marvel takes a 'hardline PR stance' that they are printing now close to the 'incentive' numbers. In 2015 Marvel then comes under scrutiny for Star Wars Variants and Action Figure Variants showing up as give aways at shows, as Diamond give aways to retailers, and even on sale through Diamond after the fact. (The Gwen Variants were on sale after the fact to at a Diamond Summit) Marvel again takes a 'hardline PR stance' that they are printing now close to the 'incentive' numbers. People who don't know any better, or WANT them to have a 'rarity' will continue to be deceived. Eh you just blew it again. All you did was reiterate the data that I already posted in the thread. The only thing is your timeline is whacked. Marvel has printed variants to the nearest case for years and this is per Diamond , and has simply been publicly verified by Marvel. But Marvel didn't just recently "figure out" how to not over print a variant after 2013. Such a suggestion is patently laughable Chuck. And so is calling the sale of 225 variants a "massive sell off" when it probably represented less than 1% of their total publication output for the time period that those variants covered. But it's nice to see that you're at least starting to post some actual facts for a change instead of just your opinions and speculation disguised as facts. -J.

+1 Yup. -J.

That's unfortunate. I'm sure there are several people who would be willing to take those books for more than the cost to shred. However...if you have a mind, you might pass this on: please ask Dino and VEI to document and account for the numbers shredded. That way, we might have a better idea of what actually exists down the road. In fact, you might ask them to document everything, because who knows what people will be interested in in 2036? I asked him that exact question tonight. He replied: "Lol. We don't document it. All publishers shred o.O" To which I replied: "Sure, but all publishers don't have Valiant fans." Dumb and shortsighted. Expected. But dumb and shortsighted. Didn't learn anything from the original Valiant experience...? Actually, it's more than shortsighted - they have to track to take those books as a business loss. I would be shocked if there is not some accounting of all merchandise they destroy - Dino may not even know about it. I would also be shocked if Marvel/DC ever printed anything other than a rounded-up number of just about any variant. A printer may charge nearly the same for 1000 copies or 600 copies based on their equipment. They print 200/225 per case for distribution, rounded up to whatever number it takes to fill a complete case based on how many retailers qualify for a variant and order it. Anything more than that would be pointless and wasteful regardless of whether or not the printer charges the same or more to produce extra copies of a book that no one has ordered. -J. You are mistaken. Not according to the multiple Diamond account holders whom have shared this information. I apologize if that does not jibe with your oft-stated opinion on the subject, i.e. that it makes more sense that publishers print every single one of their variants by the thousands regardless of how many are actually ordered or whether or not they have any intent to distribute them. -J.

That's unfortunate. I'm sure there are several people who would be willing to take those books for more than the cost to shred. However...if you have a mind, you might pass this on: please ask Dino and VEI to document and account for the numbers shredded. That way, we might have a better idea of what actually exists down the road. In fact, you might ask them to document everything, because who knows what people will be interested in in 2036? I asked him that exact question tonight. He replied: "Lol. We don't document it. All publishers shred o.O" To which I replied: "Sure, but all publishers don't have Valiant fans." Dumb and shortsighted. Expected. But dumb and shortsighted. Didn't learn anything from the original Valiant experience...? Actually, it's more than shortsighted - they have to track to take those books as a business loss. I would be shocked if there is not some accounting of all merchandise they destroy - Dino may not even know about it. I would also be shocked if Marvel/DC ever printed anything other than a rounded-up number of just about any variant. A printer may charge nearly the same for 1000 copies or 600 copies based on their equipment. They print 200/225 per case for distribution, rounded up to whatever number it takes to fill a complete case based on how many retailers qualify for a variant and order it. Anything more than that would be pointless and wasteful regardless of whether or not the printer charges the same or more to produce extra copies of a book that no one has ordered. -J.