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It's interesting that my copy of WR7 also has that brownish bleed-through onto the cover. I've seen a few of these with that issue. Characteristic St John staining. It's on a lot of their books. Caused I imagine by the inferior paper or inks or both he was using. At one point, CGC seemed not to downgrade for it, apparently considering it a production defect. Now, unfortunately, I believe they do. I'm not sure that copy would hold its 8.0 grade on a straight resubmit. That Church copy was mine. Are you sure they downgrade for that transfer stain? I've seen books grade higher than 8.0 with it.

Those are two excellent examples. The slab change is a perfect example. Most of the discussion originated here and spread like wildfire on social media after the discussion started here. I know because I kept reading references to this chat forum on Facebook. Why would this topic be any different? IMO it isn't. I'd bet more people found out about the rising auction results from this site than from the CC auction links. This place has become a hub for information. And money interests people more than anything else.

+1, It's good reading here, when I buy a book-the boards have zero effect on me. I think over a decade ago this was true. This place was new, the internet was new and news traveled slower. Now I think conversations about chipping, tanning, pressing, movie announcements and anything else you can think of actually do affect the market. This is probably the most concentrated meeting of collectors and dealers in the hobby. I think you'd kid yourselves if you believed what was said here didn't have a ripple effect out there.

Bob, it's not the first time you threw out a blanket statement as a statement of fact. In fact you admit above that it wasn't well stated: But regardless, it's not a moderator issue. It's just a disagreement between the way we perceive things or write things, and it's not a big deal as long as people realize that your statement is a statement of fact but rather it's one possibility. If I'm wrong somewhere I'm happy to discuss it and admit it. I have. It depends on the type of damage. In the case above where there are several color breaking spine ticks present across the entire spine I agree that it's unlikely that those appeared in the holder. Dropping a book and incurring SCS can incur ticks or transverse stresses on a spine. Storing a slab incorrectly and having it bend over time can incur a bend in the book / spine incurring ticks as well.

Yeah, sorry. For the sake of the discussion I'm not doing this dance. Just pointing out you're wrong (again).

The word 'toasty' is not a scientific term. It's slang and the majority of people talking comics are on the same page when someone uses it. For example, when someone is 'burned' or 'roasted', it doesn't have anything to do with actual heat or fire and yet everyone knows what is meant.

Sorry Jaydogrules, you don't know that you're wrong (again). In the first quote above you are attributing PQ to foxing. PQ designations have pretty much nothing to do with foxing (except that in my experience books that do exhibit foxing actually happen to have excellent PQ - the Larson collection is one example of this - many books had foxing from the collection but the Pedigree is also known overall for it's excellent page quality). In the 2nd quote below, you are saying that a book with light foxing can't pull a CGC 8.0 or even a 9.4 from CGC. It can. These are only two posts I quoted.

Oxidation or dust/sun shadows. Read a book. You used the word foxing incorrectly several times. I don't think the word foxing means what you think it does.

My point was to show that the relative change from White/Pink or Blue paper to a darker color are all considered the same way by collectors.

I stated that more for others than for you.

I'll agree with what you said for the most part. But not all comics were printed with White paper. Some were printed with Blue or Pink paper. They still use Tan, Brittle, Cream designations. While an old teacher of mine once said that there is an exception to every rule (and I agree with him), I would argue that the majority of the time there is a relationship between the change in color of the paper from it's original state and a change in the actual quality of the paper (in regards to suppleness, life expectancy, etc) And this was really the crux of the discussion as I understood it.

I'll just politely note that even though namisgr and I have disagreed and agreed on things over the years, he's spot on IMO on his points on page quality and page color. And I think most collectors and dealers who are lifers in the hobby will agree as well. Is there anyone that disagrees with namisgr?

It was never pressed. @Bomber-Bob - I have no idea why you throw comments out like this. 1st, it's not obvious that a press 'faded away' because the book may not have been pressed at all (as is the case here). You don't know if the book incurred damage in some way over the course of it's life And you don't know if the book was simply over-graded to begin with.

Certainly hope this was not a MA book with this amount of defects for a 9.8 graded book. If it is, then it must have been very very loosely graded. Especially when I have seen GA books graded towards the latter part of 2016 with only the first and third of your defects noted above come back as only 8.5 graded books, even though I could not see any obvious defects from just the cover scans. You guys are over reacting. CGC graders now put more notes down than they every used to. It's been happening for a few years now (it all depends on the grading team). It's the size of the defect that matters. I've seen notes calling out defects that are hardly visible to the naked eye. Don't judge a book by the grading notes alone.

But Marvel has taken many of their A tier characters and still made terrific movies that hit sweet spots for many demographics even though they had big shoes to fill. DC has only really been able to do it with Batman thus far. The problem for DC is that they don't have an vision for their entire franchise. They're trying too hard to play 'catch up' (something I've been saying for years).

But the real point is the writing and directing made the movie and the franchise special. There are so many similar franchises (Suicide Squad for one) that (as Billy said) could have been better done. The writing by Marvel is just miles ahead of anyone else right now.

What I find most fascinating is how you can take a C team of characters like the current GOTG crew and make a list movies out of them. Marvel can make a supermodel out of a pig but DC can't seem to make a supermodel out of a supermodel. Real shame.

Agreed. It was absolutely amazing and might be one of the best Marvel movies. Marvel has the magic formula and they knocked it out of the park with GOTG 2. And I'm not usually a fan of over the top graphics and too much fantasy as I find it hard to get emotionally invested but I found all the aliens and visuals to be believable and intriguing. I can't wait for Thor. Looks like it's also going to be awesome but I don't want to jinx myself so I'll keep my expectations low.

That's just the thing, the TV series has had an effect it's just been slower to show itself in the highest grade copies. I think that's changing now. He might have been sarcastic.

Of course. And that is why we have to treat outlier sales as just that... The problem is when sellers don't factor this in and treat the prices as a new range for all copies. Which is what usually happens.

Because Buffalo used to be one of the biggest cities in the country and now has less than 1/2 the population of its peak in 1950. The Empire State. Buffalo was probably glorious at it's peak. I do like Buffalo though - there are some great neighborhoods to hang out in. I think there is one called Allentown that I enjoyed more than once. That sandwich you left in the car took out half of Buffalo Ah yes, the classic Turkey Sandwich Con thread. It's now ready to take on Godzilla.

Got mine a few days ago. In Canada no less. Strange.

Yeah I thought it was a bigger book at one point. I know the addition of two CGC 9.8's some years ago may have also softened the market on 9.4's as I recall, but I'm sure those three quick 9.6 sales did the most damage lol. Well, nice to see it recovering! When the 1st 9.8 arrived it was purchased by the owner of the Curator CGC 9.6. The owner of the Curator CGC 9.6 auctioned off his undercopy. At the time the put it to auction I don't think they realized there were 2 additiional copies being auctioned within the same time period. I think they all went off within 2-3 weeks of each other. The last copy to be auctioned off was also the least attractive copy, a CGC 9.6 with tan cover and OW pages which also didn't help the final auction price. It ended in a Heritage auction @ $37K and when that posted to GPA I think it affected people's valuations of the book. Before that it was regularly thought of as a $50K-60K book in CGC 9.6. It's a shame because I think the Curator actually ended at $50K or something like that on Pedigree but at the time they didn't report to GPA.

Any idea if this was recorded or posted somewhere? Would love to listen to this one.