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CGC has been around for almost 18 years.
There will always remain a group of people that are ignorant and choose to remain ignorant.
"I hate CGC graded books."
"Why?"
"Because you can't read the comic."
"Sure you can. You just remove it from the holder like I do with books in my collection"
"It makes comics more expensive."
"Maybe because you're finally getting what you paid for rather than undisclosed resto and over graded books?"
It's never ending.
 

Because that is exactly what it is.
There is no underlying fundamental emotional attachment to the characters. It's just speculation based on movie performance.
Comics used to be valued because readers wanted a copy.

Miswraps only affect the grade if they are larger than a certain size.
On an otherwise perfect book, the miswrap can downgrade the book between 9.6 and 9.9.
This is not that bad of a miswrap and completely acceptable on 9.8
 

Andy and Veronica Fish

Miswraps only affect the grade if they are larger than a certain size.
On an otherwise perfect book, the miswrap can downgrade the book between 9.6 and 9.9.
This is not that bad of a miswrap and completely acceptable on 9.8
 

Miswraps only affect the grade if they are larger than a certain size.
On an otherwise perfect book, the miswrap can downgrade the book between 9.6 and 9.9.
This is not that bad of a miswrap and completely acceptable on 9.8
 

We've been talking about it and want to do it.
We've got a set list of about 20 songs that we want to work on.
We're trying to nail down a location and see if everyone can make it happen. So far it's a strong maybe.
 

There is no rule as to what they notate and what they don't. It changes depending on who is grading the books and how they feel that day.
 

CGC has been around for almost 18 years.
There will always remain a group of people that are ignorant and choose to remain ignorant.
"I hate CGC graded books."
"Why?"
"Because you can't read the comic."
"Sure you can. You just remove it from the holder like I do with books in my collection"
"It makes comics more expensive."
"Maybe because you're finally getting what you paid for rather than undisclosed resto and over graded books?"
It's never ending.
 

If you're saying that CGC should adjust their grading standards based on market prices, I completely disagree.

Because that is exactly what it is.
There is no underlying fundamental emotional attachment to the characters. It's just speculation based on movie performance.
Comics used to be valued because readers wanted a copy.

I'm always doubtful of anyone who proclaims themselves an expert on the internet. The proof is in the pudding and there's a lot of pudding in this thread.

 

The book is only 'all over the place' if you are micro analyzing prices like stock tickers, which is the biggest mistake most people make when they follow prices.
It's normal for there to be a variation in prices at auctions and there are reasons why.
For someone who has 'been following the hobby' and 'talked to many dealers' you seem to not know this.
 
 

I'm always doubtful of anyone who proclaims themselves an expert on the internet. The proof is in the pudding and there's a lot of pudding in this thread.

 

I think I have one of those kicking around somewhere. Forgot all about it.

It is unfortunate and unprofessional. And it will likely have the opposite effect that it was intended to have.
I assume someone in higher management made the call.

In cane someone is interested, I've put up for sale my Matt Baker original art.
Link to eBay listing.
This page was presumably drawn in 1946 but went unpublished until it was found in the Iger studios. It was then published in 1984 in Jerry Iger's Famous Features (1984, Pacific Comics).
Matt Baker pages are rare and NICE Matt Baker pages with gorgeous GGA are even more rare. Usually you get a glimpse of GGA art. This piece is stunning in hand (more than half the page is a splash with a gorgeous, full front and detailed Flamingo drawing) and Flamingo is featured in 3 of the 4 panels.
Please message me here with any questions or interest.

Best chicken wings you will ever have in your life is in Carmine's in Times Square.
Be prepared for a long wait during peak hours.
Everyone I've ever taken (New Yorkers and non-New Yorkers) agree, the best wings ever.

@october
Andy, I was wrong.
Now when I think about it, I think the X-men #1 market was established but the surprise was the CGC 9.4 price because one hadn't been on the market in a while.
But that price point was more or less established when the book came up for auction.

I think it explains why most collectible markets have exploded in the last 9 years. Near zero interest rates and people who have money don't have placed to put park it.
Collectibles historically gain faster than current interest returns and so money is being poured into collectibles (and BITCOIN and real estate, etc).
Cars, comics, cards, real estate, crypto-currencies are all rising at rates that are making people's heads spin.

I don't see any hatred for AF #15.
I see some people who are sad that they may not be able to afford a copy and I see a few people perplexed at the price increases because they can't find the logic to explain it.
I think the only hatred is towards posts that are fixated on value alone and this chat forum has always been protective of it's culture in the sense that they've always preferred content and quality over just money.
But big dollars will bring in a big difference in opinions. 
 

I don't see any hatred for AF #15.
I see some people who are sad that they may not be able to afford a copy and I see a few people perplexed at the price increases because they can't find the logic to explain it.
I think the only hatred is towards posts that are fixated on value alone and this chat forum has always been protective of it's culture in the sense that they've always preferred content and quality over just money.
But big dollars will bring in a big difference in opinions. 
 

Gang, have a pretty special book up for grabs. Featuring "the world's mightiest mortal", this genuinely is a tough book in any grade. I looked for a few years before finally finding a copy to fill my personal run.
 
There are only 37 books on the census in total with only 15 being Universal and 22 being restored.
 
To compare, Action #1 has 60 graded copies 35 Universal and 25 Restored and Marvel Comics #1 has 55 graded copies with 23 Universal and 32 Restored.
 
For those that don't know (or follow the GA forum discussions), Captain Marvel eventually outsold his competitor Superman by 2 to 1 during the Golden Age of the 1940's until DC put Fawcett out of business with a law suit claiming that he was a copy of Superman. In my opinion nothing could be further from the truth as CM was a being that relied on magic while Supes was an Alien. In any case, it was DC's lawyers that eventually killed the character and not comic sales. Who wouldn't want to be a kid that turned into a Superhero with a magic word?
 

 
Whiz #1 was considered a mega key alongside Action #1 and Marvel #1 but has in the last few decades faded into obscurity, partly because the character has not been used extensively over the years (this may be due to the Marvel Man lawsuit going on - I haven't really followed the details but I do know the name and rights are being disputed) and also because relatively few copies change hands, making it difficult to create a market for the book.
 
Sorry for the diatribe but since I don't post much any more I had to get that out of me!
 
Because of the cover stock that Fawcett used at the time, most copies of early Fawcett books (Captain Marvel Adventures, Special Edition #1 and Whiz #1) experienced heavy spine wear/splitting along the spine. That is the main reason that those books do not exist in higher grades and even in lower grades, usually exist in pieces.
 
The book was originally graded a CGC 4.0 MP LtOW and I have removed the book from the holder. Restoration includes colour touch, spine splits sealed, tear seals, reinforced. For the life of me I haven't been able to find the old label but it is possible that I turned it in by accident as the book no longer shows up on the census (I don't remember turning it in). I do have pics of the book in the holder thanks to Greg Reece, whom I purchased the book from.
 
A very difficult book to price, because they rarely sell in any grade, I can only offer what little comparative info I have.
 
I know Matt Nelson / Worldwide had a CGC 3.0 Blue Label priced at $10,000 in 2010. I had my eye on that copy at the time but it had a strip of tape sealing the spine from top to bottom. While I was pondering the book it was stolen at a show in NYC about 3 or 4 years ago.
 
These are the only other sales I am aware of from the past 2 years to give you an indication of valuation.
 
CGC 1.0 sale @ $9560 in May 2012.
 
CGC 2.0 sale @ $13,600 in January 2013 (Cover reattached with tape, tape on cover and interior)
 
CGC 6.0 sale @ $176,000 in December 2011.
 
CGC 6.0 EP sale @ $4481 in February 2013
 
CGC 7.5 EP (trimmed) sale @ $6600 in April 2013
 
CGC 9.0 sale @ $281,000 in December 2012
 
I am sure that the book would have graded higher than a CGC 1.0 without the restoration, as the entire book is complete with no pieces missing - there were no pieces added to the book and so likely would have graded in the 1.5/1.8 range with a detached or partially detached cover. For that reason I value the book in the $12,000 range so that is my asking price.
 
Feel free to drop me a PM with any questions or concerns.
 
 

 

 

 

Gang, have a pretty special book up for grabs. Featuring "the world's mightiest mortal", this genuinely is a tough book in any grade. I looked for a few years before finally finding a copy to fill my personal run.
 
There are only 37 books on the census in total with only 15 being Universal and 22 being restored.
 
To compare, Action #1 has 60 graded copies 35 Universal and 25 Restored and Marvel Comics #1 has 55 graded copies with 23 Universal and 32 Restored.
 
For those that don't know (or follow the GA forum discussions), Captain Marvel eventually outsold his competitor Superman by 2 to 1 during the Golden Age of the 1940's until DC put Fawcett out of business with a law suit claiming that he was a copy of Superman. In my opinion nothing could be further from the truth as CM was a being that relied on magic while Supes was an Alien. In any case, it was DC's lawyers that eventually killed the character and not comic sales. Who wouldn't want to be a kid that turned into a Superhero with a magic word?
 

 
Whiz #1 was considered a mega key alongside Action #1 and Marvel #1 but has in the last few decades faded into obscurity, partly because the character has not been used extensively over the years (this may be due to the Marvel Man lawsuit going on - I haven't really followed the details but I do know the name and rights are being disputed) and also because relatively few copies change hands, making it difficult to create a market for the book.
 
Sorry for the diatribe but since I don't post much any more I had to get that out of me!
 
Because of the cover stock that Fawcett used at the time, most copies of early Fawcett books (Captain Marvel Adventures, Special Edition #1 and Whiz #1) experienced heavy spine wear/splitting along the spine. That is the main reason that those books do not exist in higher grades and even in lower grades, usually exist in pieces.
 
The book was originally graded a CGC 4.0 MP LtOW and I have removed the book from the holder. Restoration includes colour touch, spine splits sealed, tear seals, reinforced. For the life of me I haven't been able to find the old label but it is possible that I turned it in by accident as the book no longer shows up on the census (I don't remember turning it in). I do have pics of the book in the holder thanks to Greg Reece, whom I purchased the book from.
 
A very difficult book to price, because they rarely sell in any grade, I can only offer what little comparative info I have.
 
I know Matt Nelson / Worldwide had a CGC 3.0 Blue Label priced at $10,000 in 2010. I had my eye on that copy at the time but it had a strip of tape sealing the spine from top to bottom. While I was pondering the book it was stolen at a show in NYC about 3 or 4 years ago.
 
These are the only other sales I am aware of from the past 2 years to give you an indication of valuation.
 
CGC 1.0 sale @ $9560 in May 2012.
 
CGC 2.0 sale @ $13,600 in January 2013 (Cover reattached with tape, tape on cover and interior)
 
CGC 6.0 sale @ $176,000 in December 2011.
 
CGC 6.0 EP sale @ $4481 in February 2013
 
CGC 7.5 EP (trimmed) sale @ $6600 in April 2013
 
CGC 9.0 sale @ $281,000 in December 2012
 
I am sure that the book would have graded higher than a CGC 1.0 without the restoration, as the entire book is complete with no pieces missing - there were no pieces added to the book and so likely would have graded in the 1.5/1.8 range with a detached or partially detached cover. For that reason I value the book in the $12,000 range so that is my asking price.
 
Feel free to drop me a PM with any questions or concerns.
 
 

 

 

 

AF #15 has by far been the most valuable book of the silver age for nearly a decade. How can this possibly be 'overdue'?