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    Pedigree trying to sell art now?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    - doug = 1st alarm ringing

     

    what's the issue? I've lost track, there's so many

     

    and some posts ago, i don't remember who sid the donn' bros would take off the lim covers from their site.....but what are they waiting for, is it that hard to pull off a picture (it takes 2 clicks on CAF)

     

    that may be annoying, but there's nothing wrong with it.

     

    reserves not met, annoying, but nothing wrong with it.

     

    misleading auction descriptions leading to sales 4x market value, that I have a problem with.

    Pedigree trying to sell art now?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted · Edited by Twanj

    I'm not going to waste my breath anymore about this silliness, as I have already been as open and honest as one can possibly be...but to put this issue to bed... the signed Lim Avenger's Gauntlet # 2 cover was in our possession and was sold in our last auction. Coollines forgot to remove it from their site...they have been alerted to this fact and it will be removed shortly.

     

    the issue with the "Lim" Avenger's Infinity Gauntlet #2 cover is that it's ink only art & Ron Lim didn't touch the page.

     

    to quote Claudio on http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=9652593#Post9652593

     

     

    One way of helping to establish an honestly run auction would be to notify the buyer of this piece that Ron Lim was not involved in this piece.

     

    https://www.pedigreecomics.com/v2/auction/comic_art/056410

     

    Here is some pertinent information

    http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=48&Number=9614055&Searchpage=1&Main=417550&Words=gauntlet&topic=0&Search=true#Post9614055

     

    Just thought I would chime in here... I worked with the consignor of this piece when he sold it through ComicLink in 2015. From the outset he was very clear that this piece was Florea's published ink art over a blueline of Lim's pencils. I even have an email exchange with him where he mentions that "Lim would not sell the pencils"... so, I am highly confident that our 2015 listing was in fact correct.

     

    I would expect that the nature of this piece simply was not communicated to Pedigree by their consignor. I can't imagine that they would intentionally leave out this sort of info. Maybe they never even had the piece in their possession. Seems like they probably did not have possession of many of the items in the auction.

     

    If the buyer of this piece is on the boards and wants to get more info on the piece, discuss it further, etc., please PM me or contact me directly at dgillock@comiclink.com

    Pedigree trying to sell art now?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    well that was fun getting to beta test their site!

     

    what are the odds that its gone for good & no one gets what they purchased?! :)

     

    +1 for having a site better than Comic Link & Comic Connect from the get go

    -1 scam history

    -1 Cool Lines

    -1 user supplied scans

    -1 for RESERVE NOT MET

    -1,000,000 misleading descriptions getting people to pay 4x FMW

     

    Pedigree trying to sell art now?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Just out of curiosity does anyone know anything about the Amazing Spider-Man #583 variant cover that's in this auction?

     

    Auction Link

     

    It appears to be the same Obama figure from the first printing cover. I'm wondering if the Obama on this cover is a stat pasted on a board created just for this cover with the Lincoln Memorial being original art, or if it's the original Obama art and they put a patch of the Lincoln Memorial over the Spider-Man figure from the first printing cover.

     

    the description says one thing but from everything else in this thread, I think you can expect the worst. & be paying 3-4x what's reasonable.

     

    So.... the whole thing (except for the Lincoln Memorial) is a Stat. (Phil is exceptionally quick at responding on Twitter, really one of the coolest and most approachable artists out there). Spidey is reduced and Obama is just a stat.

     

    Randy, you may wish to ask your boss what Fraud in the inducement means. Describing this piece as "Spider-Man and Lincoln Memorial are original art drawn on one board. Obama is original art drawn on another board, trimmed and attached to the Spider-Man board. Logos and any other mechanicals were separately attached to cover. This historic cover art is also signed." is pretty far off base.

     

    Link to Phil's response?

     

    I inquired about the piece yesterday, which is probably why the clarification showed up today in the description. This is what I was told:

     

    All the characters and background are original art, NOT stats. Spidey and all other characters, props, background, etc. are all created with india ink. I checked that part thoroughly once before! Spidey, Lincoln and everything but Obama are on one base art board.

     

    Obama is also art, but trimmed from some other board and attached into place for this iteration of the cover variants. I doubt there is any pencil art under Obama's inks. It looks more like a blue line original and since the Obamas on each of the variants are identical except for scaling and position, that make the most sense.

     

    The logo and mechanicals are reproductions.

     

    The cover is standard modern size.

     

    @giantsfan8110 The only new art, on a separate board, was the Lincoln Memorial. There is only one piece of original art; the rest is statted

    — Phil Jimenez (@Philjimeneznyc) October 21, 2016

     

     

    so do you guys take this as a mistake on their part, or deception?

     

    I can see the Lim cover being a sin of omission, if Cool lines or whoever didn't tell them it was inks only, no pencils would Pedigree not know? I just feel bad someone is being took since this appears to be the only thing this auction actually that is meeting it's reserve (that I'm watching anyways).

    Pedigree trying to sell art now?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Just out of curiosity does anyone know anything about the Amazing Spider-Man #583 variant cover that's in this auction?

     

    Auction Link

     

    It appears to be the same Obama figure from the first printing cover. I'm wondering if the Obama on this cover is a stat pasted on a board created just for this cover with the Lincoln Memorial being original art, or if it's the original Obama art and they put a patch of the Lincoln Memorial over the Spider-Man figure from the first printing cover.

     

    the description says one thing but from everything else in this thread, I think you can expect the worst. & be paying 3-4x what's reasonable.

    Pedigree trying to sell art now?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

     

    for instance

    issue_image-000377.jpghttps://www.pedigreecomics.com/v2/auction/comic_art/056410

     

    AVENGERS: INFINITY GAUNTLET #2 COVER ORIGINAL ART(Thanos crushes Marvel)

    ROM LIM & SANDU FLOREA art team - signed by both

     

    this sold about a year ago on Comic Link for $1200 to Cool lines. it's ink only art, nothing by Ron Lim on this page. I want to say Cool lines had it listed somewhere recently for $3800? I don't remember exactly. now it's at $4250 on Pedigree.

     

     

    It's still available here:

     

    http://www.coollinesartwork.com/featured.asp?Piece=303458

     

    I'm wondering if such pieces ever were sent to PedigreeComics or if they all still are at Coollinesartwork. The scan looks identical on both websites. When buying from HA or CLink I think they always had the pieces in their hands, so they're able to check and investige the pieces if necessary.

     

    If most of the pieces are still at the consignors, then PedigreeComics can do little to evaluate the pieces before the auction is over. I've always thought that the good thing about HA or CLink was that their art experts provided some security if there's something odd about a piece.

     

    If you're sure Ron Lim didn't draw anything on this piece, then to me there's a serious error in the listing on Pedigreecomics - it directly states that Ron Lim is the primary artist of this particular piece.

     

    On a side note over the years I've bought a few books from Doug, never had any trouble and I didn't pay more than usual compared to GPA prices - and Doug was very helpful.

     

    Did I miss in the description where it says it's ink over blue line? I'd expect a reputable auction house to specifically call that out.....

     

    it was in the description on Comic Link when it went for $1200 (which was why it went for that).

     

    since then the price tripled & that got left off subsequent descriptions :(

    Pedigree trying to sell art now?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    Coolines + Pedigree = :makepoint:

     

    Edit: I rather burn my money

     

    yes, I also noticed a number of Cool lines art (some with their "additions").

     

    I'm watching 14 items in this auction, & everything I'm watching jumped up quite a bit. all 14 items haven't hit reserve, which has me wondering if anything will.

     

    I mean, reserves are even more than the standard Cool lines 3x FMV.

    I think what happened were with a day left, things were bumped to 1 bid below the reserve, so the next bid will break the reserve.

     

    doesn't Heritage do something similar? there's at least more transparency on Heritage & not the double taint of these guys...

     

    for instance

    issue_image-000377.jpghttps://www.pedigreecomics.com/v2/auction/comic_art/056410

     

    AVENGERS: INFINITY GAUNTLET #2 COVER ORIGINAL ART(Thanos crushes Marvel)

    ROM LIM & SANDU FLOREA art team - signed by both

     

    this sold about a year ago on Comic Link for $1200 to Cool lines. it's ink only art, nothing by Ron Lim on this page. I want to say Cool lines had it listed somewhere recently for $3800? I don't remember exactly. now it's at $4250 on Pedigree.

     

     

     

    The OFFICIAL "This week in your ORIGINAL ART collection?"

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    ok, this is a few weeks scrunched into one post :)

     

     

    Guardians of the Galaxy (Volume 1) #25 pages 2 & 3 DPS: Silver Surfer/The Keeper Double Page Splash Title Splash

     

    http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1335690&GSub=177081

    JXKo0pLl_0808162046211gpadd.jpg

     

    7TASCpbP_3008162117111gpaiadd.jpg

     

    A handwritten note on the back says

    "PLEASE RETURN TO JIM

     

    Please, in order to maintain the "joke"'s integrity -- we need the background effect to be colored similarly to this example. Thanx"

     

    Anyone know what the example or joke might be?!

     

    Infinity Crusade #3 page 17, Mephisto, Thanos, & Adam Warlock 2/3 splash

     

    http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1335685

     

    kJGMexVk_0808162040441gpadd.jpg

     

    Silver Surfer #38 page 19, Thanos vs Surfer

     

    http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1335675

    xEiJ52kp_0808162033341gpadd.jpg

     

    Silver Surfer Annual 1 page 37, Nova! 2nd Ron Lim page on Silver Surfer

    I got this from a fellow boardie, it's the 2nd page Ron Lim did on the Surfer title before taking over for his amazing run.

     

    http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1335667

     

    xUIQy8tA_0808162019181gpadd.jpg

     

     

    Skaar #10 page 9, Skaar & Silver Surfer

     

    http://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1335663

     

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    Why is it harder to collect art from the 90s than it should be?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    The biggest thing I often stress to 90s collectors is that they need to understand how little of this art there really was. This isn't like Kirby or Romita or Byrne where there are long runs and thousands of pages of art. For many, they did a small number of issues, 10-30, of which there were a lot of talking head pages and strange inkers or any number of reasons why there isn't a constant stream of A-list pages filtering out - they simply don't exist.

     

    I noticed this when I was making a list, some of these runs that seemed to make a huge impact are amazingly small:

     

    Lee UX-Men (#248, 256-258, 267-277), X-Men 1-11

    Portacio UX-Men (#267,273,281-286,289,290) & X-Factor (#63-68)

    Silvestri UX-Men (#218,220-261,273) & Wolverine (#31-46,48-50,52,53,55-57)

    Liefeld New Mutants (#86-91,93-96,98-100) / X-Force (#1-9)

    McFarlane Spiderman (ASM #298-323, 325, 328, SM 1-14,16) & Hulk (#330-334,336-346)

    Keown Hulk (#367-398, -368,378,380,389,394)

    Larsen ASM 287, 324, 327, 329-344, 346-350

    Valentino Guardians of the Galaxy 1-22, 24-27

     

    What I also soon started to learn though was that a lot of these artists had big volume collectors that hoarded like mad. A lot of those 90s guys did not produce that much work in the first place, so someone could stockpile pages of art by an artist and in effect own 25%+ of an artist's entire run very easily.

     

    I kind of sheepishly looked around and put my head down as I read this, lol

     

    haha, yeh you guys had to go hog all the good stuff!

    Why is it harder to collect art from the 90s than it should be?

    in Original Comic Art

    Posted

    I agree with you & I kinda don't at the same time :)

    not much stuff comes up, but it's too bad that you don't have much from your golden age sweet spot!

     

    I'd say, yeh you may appreciate it more if you do focus...

     

    I collect Ron Lim & Silver Surfer art (10 pages) from slightly earlier ('88 to '92) for about the same amount of time (3 years) - with the exception of a few later pages by him.

     

    10 pages over 3 years isn't much. there have been a couple other pages that have been on the market that I passed on, but I got all the ones I wanted.

     

    I've seen some of the stuff you're looking for. the only place we overlap is the Silvestri Wolverine, which I've seen a few come up.

     

    I know the Rule of 25 came up, but that's only up for 1991. some of the stuff may not be as much in demand or people that have had it for years don't see a point in selling it if it's not worth much yet or they may have forgot they had it.