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Here's a 2 year flip.

No original art really. Production art.

2015: $657

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/john-byrne-namor-the-sub-mariner-7-cover-original-art-marvel-1990-/a/7136-93474.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

2017: $4063

https://comics.ha.com/itm/original-comic-art/john-byrne-namor-the-sub-mariner-7-cover-original-art-marvel-1990-/a/7163-94444.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

Before your post @JromeSaskagograci I was going to say something similar.

"You can't always get what you want..."

Who's to say that the person with 1 page doesn't love it more than the person with 21? Maybe they just have more time & money.

If I had a page I didn't mind letting go that someone was after, I'd try to throw em a bone.

But if it's a page I really love or have some sentimental attachment to, no way!

Soooo depressing ?

8 minutes ago, Madman1138 said:

I have seen this only in a few cases, and should clarify. The 60/40 was not the split with the penciler & inker but the discussed "value" of pencils to inks over bluelines. 60% "value" for pencils only and 40% "value" for the inks over bluelines, or some such. I was just referencing that from earlier in this chain. 

As for the artist doing full tight pencils, then making a blueline copy to ink separately, I have only really seen it with some newer artists. I agree that most would loosely pencil when inking themselves but I have seen it both ways. I can't think of other artist examples off hand except for these covers by Steven Russell Black, but I know I have seen the same practice somewhere else before, I just didn't buy it. But with the Black covers, one month I won the blueline inks to 2 covers on eBay, aka the published covers. Then the next month he listed the original pencils to both covers to eBay and I won both of those as well. So they were all sold separately, but I did manage to win all 4. I sold one set and kept another, shown below side by side. Maybe it is so the artist can make more money off the published art? Maybe it's in case they mess up on the inks and want to have that freedom? I don't have the answers for that but that is one example I have at least.

Out of curiousity, which sold for more?

Which do you like more? ?

No need for exact numbers unless you want to give them

Didn't a recent BWS Conan issue sell at CL?

I thought I saw someone giving estimates of what it went for vs what it was worth broken up.

9 minutes ago, Bronty said:

I would guess 25?   I'd rather have absolutely any mcfarlane ASM cover over this one and I think so would everyone else.    So I think this has to slide in under the most entry level of ASM  covers which are probably 40?   They were 30 but I imagine have rebounded a little since the time when a number were sold at once.

 

As mentioned earlier, I know it's been a whole year but...I'd rather have this cover 100% of the time

I have 3 DPSes and a splash that are pencils only. I don't know if inks over blue lines exist.

I also have 3 Inks over bluelines pages. I think original pencils exist (as in, they're not digital).

The inked stuff displays better from a distance (just because it's darker and easier to see) even tho the DPS/splash pages have more images that "grab" you more.

The pencil are you have to be closer to appreciate, but it's great.

I think I read on here that value would be pencils 60% / inks only 40% if both were available. It would be kinda cool to have the inks only & pencils only to match what I have, but I don't know if I would sink that much more $ into "duplicates".

28 minutes ago, JadeGiant said:

Don't see this being worth anything near 65K any time soon, if at all

Image quality and artists style has to play into the desirability/price. He hadn't fully developed the McHulk style yet for a few issues and this isn't recognizably HIM yet. 

1 hour ago, comix4fun said:

The more I read that edited description the more annoyed I get. That one line "inks over blue lines" does almost nothing, in the face of the rest of the description, to truly inform the buyer. However, it does add a layer of "but, I provided disclosure" to the seller if any potential buyer discovers that Lim never touched this piece beyond laying a signature down on it. 

It's a self-serving non-disclosure/disclosure to me. 

 

I agree that this is the bare minimum. Someone new to the hobby won't understand at all.

I bought a page that is inks over blue lines without disclosure. it's a pretty big bummer.

I can't imagine if I paid $5k for a cover, then tried to flip it for $8-10k. absolutely heartbreaking.

Frankly, it's put me off buying more modern pages. I'm just always a bit suspicious. It sucks.

1 hour ago, comix4fun said:

Someone should let the seller know that he's mis-attributed the credit on that cover. Given the dollars potential involved selling something as created by an artist when it was not could turn into a very sticky situation. 

I did. The eBay seller changed the listing to "Ink over blue lines on Marvel Bristol board!"

but he he already paid thousands more than it's worth. It's too late. 

Here's the most annoying to me personally:

Avengers Infinity Gauntlet #2 Cover (Inks only, no pencils) by Lim/Florea

ComicLink Sep? 2015 $1,200 Full disclosure, no pencils

Pedigree Oct 2016 $5,150 no mention that it's inks only

Ebay seller collectors_comics currently $9,500 earlier, $8,500 today Buy it Now. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avengers-Infinity-Gauntlet-2-MARVEL-Original-Art-Cover-by-Ron-Lim-Thanos-/381998987251?hash=item58f0e9f7f3:g:HOsAAOSwVctY5BG4

So who are some of the other people in the pics? No JRjr?

10 minutes ago, O. said:

New Article - 16/6/17

Report on last week's ComicLink Featured Auction is up!

https://comicbookinvest.com/2017/06/16/market-report-june-2017-comiclink-featured-auction/

 

The X-Force #7 page looks a bit weird to me.

Inker is listed as Liefeld, but is it because I'm used to other people inking him or was this deadline crunch where other people filled in that it feels off to me?

It's definitely good to point out, transparency is best. Stuff on dealers sites too.

He does have a Make Offer option, which is better than most people...

I just can't imagine enough people buy this stuff to make it work posting for stupid high prices, like the crappy Hulk 330 McFarlane cover for $65k.

I find flipping annoying & really anything overpriced to that degree, but isn't this just an attempted flip so far? if you want to list all the potential ripoffs on ebay, we're gonna be here a long time.

Is the seller doing anything unethical (or is this just buy low sell high)?

4 minutes ago, comix4fun said:

Nice, makes you wonder why that's not one of the choices on the main page. 

because hey haven't hired somebody to make a usable site! ?

1 hour ago, glendgold said:

ComicConnect Navigation

If I wanted to find all the art in this auction that was by (let's say) Jack Kirby, how on earth do I do that? 

Go to Advanced Search from the front page

http://www.comicconnect.com/bookSearch.php?spsearch=advancedSearch&searchType=advanced

Item Type: Art/Memorabilia

Artist: select Jack Kirby

Click Search button

20 minutes ago, Flambit said:

Quick question: when did Heritage start including sales tax?  I haven't won anything on Heritage for a few years, but I don't remember it before.  

I think if they have a physical location in your state. They list em at the bottom of the site. I coulda sworn there wasn't a location in Palm Beach, FL before ?

I'm still on the lookout for PUBLISHED Marvel Original Art (mid 1980s - early 1990s, no color guides etc) by these guys:

RON LIM (mostly Silver Surfer #19 - #65 covers, splashes, DPS, & other great pages, Captain America, but some others)

Jim Lee

McFarlane

Art Adams

Silvestri: Wolverine and X-Men

BWS

Keown, Purves: Hulk

Liefeld: New Mutants

Alan Davis: Excalibur

Larsen

Kirby (later stuff like Machine Man, Devil Dinosaur)

I'm not interested in commissions or color guides or other unpublished work.

I am aware of what's on Heritage, Comic Link, Comic Connect, eBay.

14 hours ago, malvin said:

I don't know,  But in general, I would think that allowing someone to insure something for higher than the appraised value because that's the value to them and they are willing to pay the premium will lead to trouble.

Haha, yeh I figured, I already have too many friends with big life insurance policies on their wives 

1 hour ago, comicwiz said:

Not if you have an appraisal report from an accredited appraiser. It is the baseline, and even in the case the valuation is severely out of date (say the loss happens 5 or 10 years after you had the appraisal done) you should still notify the original appraiser who produced the report to have them reevaluate. I'm suggesting this because an adjuster will always try to cherry-pick as contextually disimilar a data point to pay out as little as possible, BUT they won't get away with it if you protect yourself as I have advised above.

Ok, this is a dumb question since I don't have collectible insurance but isn't the cost of your premium based on what your payout would be if the item was lost/stolen/destroyed?

So if something was appraised at $1,000 you couldn't have it insured at $2,000 to futureproof things? Your payment would be higher but if that's how you wanna spend your $, they wouldn't take it?

These aren't interchangeable commodity cars that can be replaced so easily.

Who?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say not much unless you can get the world's top two Dr Kincaid fans in a bidding frenzy. Even then, I don't see that eclipsing it being a Kirby Thor page. 

I see Heritage (at least sometimes) lists them as "...Story page X"

Either way you do it, "Story Page X" or "Published Page X", I find it better to have it labelled instead of just "Page X".

at least you're ok, but sorry about the accident. good luck!