UltraMaximus

Yes. All of them were like that.

It's the same artwork for the Regular cover and the RI sketch version. I've only seen that print once before, and it was banged up too much for my taste. I wonder if the others had this too because the series had a huge Don Fig connecting picture of those covers making a battle scene. Don Figueroa's art is missed greatly in the Transformers realm. :- / One of the greats IMO but IIRC he is a little sour about the Megatron Bomber design that Hasbro basically gave him 0 credit for and why he quit for a "long break" after the "Revenge of the Decepticons" issues he worked on.

Now that you mentioned them by name, I am sure of it. I just nabbed Zatanna #13, 14 and 15. 15 is going to be a tough 9.8 with the black cover.

Spoon PLEASE! 1. You don't need to own massive quantities of a book to be guilty of pumping and dumping. You used a false narrative to prop up a book. You continue to do so after being made aware of the bad information you continue to post. Sorry Pal, but in order to pump and dump, you must be able to dump copies, and I cannot unless I dump the 1 I own. I am posting legitimate information and the pages form the book have been posted to support my logical conclusion. You have JACK SQUAT to back up yours so IDK where you think this perpetuation of bad information is coming from other than your mouth currently. 2. CGC labels aren't gospel. Realize where you are, and yes they are gospel to people who hold cgc as the standard in grading. Maybe you should leave if you don't support, think there are inaccuracies, and maybe Hulk 180 Should be worth more then huh?. Start your own grading company and make "correct" labels then. You can really show them who's boss! 3. What is garbage? That your defense of Cable/Deadpool 50 is that it came out first and that because it's in continuity? Neither of those things matter since it isn't the first appearance of the character. Venom is not in Cable/Deadpool 50. Deadpool is not possessed in Cable/Deadpool 50. Ergo, there is no first appearance of Venompool in that book. First time Deadpool combines with a Symbiote, and that symbiote is a spawn of Venom. ergo 1st Appearance. Try actually reading a book before discrediting it. 4. Feel free to post the panel or panels from Cable/Deadpool 50 where Venom possesses and or/manipulates Deadpool. And then explain why the character's first action is to stab itself in the head to separate itself from the host to which it allegedly just bonded. already done, you want to eat brains too bro? I know Deadpool doesn't eat brains normally unless Zombified or Symbiote controlled. And I know you don't lift bro. 5. You are now attempting to change the argument from whether or not Cable/Deadpool 50 is the first appearance of Venompool to whether or not it is "key in regards to the Venom Symbiote + Deadpool story." 1st time they appeared to combine, ergo 1st appearance. People posting "Why is C&D even heating up?" Well, maybe if you read books more often you'd know why 6. No, we are not all wrong. Just you. sigh, if we were in a courtroom, you would pack up and quit your practice before your partners fired you for getting owned logically. Excellent post. Nope. Post is weak as spoon. People get angry, Not angry but I won't be punked by a few fools who aren't able to manipulate the market on a certain book trying to discredit it's significance, while accusing others of trying to pump and dump a book they have 0 copies for sale of. You do realize how that doesn't work right? but it's more important to have accurate information, rather than coddle those who post misinformation. So why do people coddle you so much around here? Your inaccurate information about print run conspiracies is more than enough to ban yourself under your own set of rules. Get outta here!!! Nothing I posted is misinformation. It is a 1st appearance of the combo despite the name/label given to part of Venom that spawned off to create the scenario in the issue. Label for 1st appearance on your "What If" 1st full possession? Oh...wait...NO LABEL FOR THAT 1st Appearance, and since we are on the CGC boards, their word is gospel. Maybe you guys should leave if you dislike CGC books and their labels or how they label. Again, the bunch of you who seem to want to discredit C&D #50 because you are likely in on the What if and paid too much for copies. Sorry not sorry. Try reading if you want to try speculation. You want to try to debate me some more on this topic? We can do it via PM if you don't want to be embarrassed publically any longer. Bye Felica's!

All RI covers if 1:10 are roughly 1,000 copies, if it's a 1:25 there are roughly 300 Copies. Due to print runs at least. Infiltration hit 100K copies and the 1:100's aren't as hard to find as say a MTMTE 19 1:25. Now you guys see why I have the daunting task of finishing the whole run with TF #22 which was released at SDCC and then a week later through Distribution. How can a book that was released twice be so hard to find?!?!?!?! Help me find my grail!!!!

Did you say... Subscribed! When is her Nirvana cover album going to drop?

It was order all you want, so negative spec on that one sir, but I am going to have a nice PC copy. Likely the last store variant without a secret version, the Kirkham color will the be one to own variant for this book if you are into those.

Nice Pivot again, and way to keep trying to insult a reader who actually reads and understands the whole story better than you. I am sorry you aren't on the same level to follow along guys, it's ok though. You guys said it!!! Not me!!! LMAO But that would make Flash "Not Venom" too! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We likely won't agree when some people are heavily invested in the What If Reprint, and might need to dump copies of it. I cannot remember who, but I remember a post talking about how someone nabbed close to 100 copies of the reprint what if, and they are likely hating this market choice of C&D #50. C&D #50 is selling better than the What If part 1, but not the reprint which is par for the course being the reprint was hyped harder for longer. The What If Reprint is still not a 1st appearance book though and why that book should see a price correction back down to sub $100. Neither C&D #50 nor the What If story is a Black Suit Deadpool Symbiote and why little DSSW #3 gets in there for the speculation fun. At the end of the day it is still the 1st Venom Symbiote + Deadpool in a book selling well on eBay, and the topic is moderns heating up on eBay.

Man, I wish I had more copies to take part in a pump and dump that isn't happening. What does the CGC label say for 1st "Venompool"? Hmm? What book is it a label for? None...oh that's a problem now isn't it. All of this is garbage and we are all wrong if the labels don't confirm 1st Appearance I guess. But that's not what I am even saying. I am pointing out why C&D #50 is a KEY towards the whole Venom Symbiote+Deadpool story and you guys are democratically trying to pivot. I would own you guys in a courtroom if I were a lawyer.

THERE IT IS! "the massive attempt at a pump and dump " See, one would have to have a bunch of copies of an 8 year old book with a 23K sales figure. Good luck with that.... I am assuming, but with good reason, that the ones who are accusing people of this are likely the ones with the What if. You assuming C&D #50 is irrelevant and inapplicable is the only gross misinformation I see here. Sorry you don't feel the C&D relevance to the whole symbiote story, but readers and fans of both Venom and Deadpool obviously do and why it is doing well naturally. Let's revisit this after the Back In Black story, after all neither suit was BLACK and DSSW may go from $5 to eclipse all these other books in this crazy market.

Any argument against C&D #50 that it isn't Venom but is a spawn of Venom is void and meritless if you understand the mechanics of the Klyntar properly, it is a collective piece of the whole species which all parts that have spawned off of it are still connected and part of it. If the Klyntar multiplied enough, it would cover the entire planet and it would be a hive collective with host life, likely how they conquer. This made C&D #50 more awesome, and more in continuity after the GOTG Planet Venom story. Again......Both books are good, but we are talking about a book that is actually heating up on eBay because of the right reasons, and it is being downplayed by people who aren't holding it, or rather holding the What If's and Reprint. I again have 1 copy of each, not even graded but C&D #50 recently selling well to be labeled as misinformation is flat out wrong.

That argument that it isn't the Venom Symbiote, but only a Spawn of Venom is weak and why Cable & Deadpool #50 is likely to surpass the What If, and the What If Reprint collection of all 4 parts. Cover or not, there is a lot more going for C&D #50 even with the benefit of the doubt not calling it "Venompool" officially, Well...Besides looking cooler as a combination of Symbiote and Deadpool over the what if version. The Symbiotes in C&D #50 were Spawned from Venom. All parts of Venom, including Mania, Carnage, and Toxxin are part of the collective Klyntar species that is Venom ((See GOTG Planet Venom)) and why they can sense each other. Deadpool in C&D #50, is the first combination of Deadpool and Klyntar Symbiote. Period. The name of "Venompool" may go to the red abomination from the What If stories, but it's still years after the C&D #50, and some people like the original idea of the combination where it appears, vs. a What If out of continuity. Both appearances matter, but people are trying to downplay the C&D #50 likely because people were trying to say the What if would break $1k in 9.8 Blue Label. It looks like it won't because it isn't the right book, and investing into the What If book at high prices may be why those speculators would be a little upset they cannot flip it for profit. C&D is In continuity, and the reasoning behind Deadpool's ability to control the Symbiote in that issue is now going to be explained via his new Back In Black series, and the Deadpool Secret Secret Wars #3. Venom Space Knight #12 also just supports that with Venom flat out saying it's 1st host before Spider-Man ruined his mind! I've debated a few people on this one, but as a reader, the C&D #50 feels more natural of a 1st appearance and happened way before the what if.

I'm guessing that Lost Light #1 will be a reintroduction of the cast before getting on with the story. We have Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye Revolution One Shot before Lost Light #1, which will likely be the "Rebirth" ala DC style bridge for readers. I did hear a rumor though.......

Out today are the final 2 issues of the currently running 2 best TF titles. Transformers (Robots In Disguise) #57 Transformers More than Meets the Eye #57. As stated earlier, the release dates surrounding these books in the Titans Return arc have been all over the place. One last correction on that reading order, read Titans Return, then TF #56 and 57, the story then takes place over in MTMTE #56 and 57. Both felt FORCED and rushed in their stories and James Roberts gives a nice little reminder that he will pick up with Lost Light #1!!!!! Next up are the Revolution One Shots!

Glad you could make it here Augustus, where it seems we are spreading the good word of Primus and the warning of Mortilus, I know him from outside this thread and I'm going to have to out Augustus as the owner of a 9.9 CGC All Hail Megatron Coller Killing Joke Swipe Variant! (share a pic!!!!! It's awesome!!!) Welcome to the boards!

Casey Coller, Brendan Cahill, Bud Budianski and Alex Milne!!! Sounds like a party!

MTMTE #1E and RID #1E are also rare and not exactly an incentive IIRC.

Wreckers 1:10 Virgin Covers always look awesome. Speaking of virgin covers, All Hail Megatron #1 1:25 virgin variant is indeed #2 behind Spotlight Metroplex and its wraparound cover. We have a few people really scrambling for some of these RE. I'll stick to chasing one book.

Well, someone here wanted proof they got out, they got out. I'm just a monitor. My Grail of Grails is a set of TF#22 and #23 RI Both Signature Series 9.8 Alex Milne/James Roberts. They don't exist, but I am trying to make them.......transform. (Say what?)

I'll probably get a few of the regular cover. The Last B&W cover I got was the Iron Spider Mary Jane because of the remarks. Otherwise, I don't agree with paying more for a test cover without color.

Yes I have #23, you can see my TF books in the link to my CLZ account. #22 RI (2011) is the ONLY RI missing from my collection.

I haven't been to NYCC since signatures were FREE in 1994. If anything I am sorry it wasn't you, and wish you nabbed that MTMTE 19RI. It took over a year before I found 1 copy, let alone the 3 total I have owned. Only one left in the PC though or I would offer you a copy.

It's a 1:25, less than 300 Shipped out, and $300 is an average price for that book. Good luck. Someone pulled the trigger on the MTMTE 19 RI eBay auction @ $350. Anolotis was that you?

It's speculators buying them to sell to other speculators. All these store variants are going to tank eventually when speculators can no longer sustain the purchasing.

It's a 1:25, less than 300 Shipped out, and $300 is an average price for that book. Good luck.