shrunkenhead

Geeze, 7 pages since I checked the thread an hour ago. Do none of you people work?

 

Keeping up with this thread IS work.

So very true.

Geeze, 7 pages since I checked the thread an hour ago. Do none of you people work?

 

I'm in a library pretending to study.

I remember those days...

Geeze, 7 pages since I checked the thread an hour ago. Do none of you people work?

Nope, now you have to read this post for completion's sake.

Worldwide I'd bet that 75% or better of comic collectors aren't interested in graded books at all. [/quote

 

I continue to be surprised at the low percentage of graded books at most smallish to mid-sized shows. The thousands of slabs that are for sale on ebay any given week always give me the impression that the market for slabs is far larger. But I still routinely hear dealers explaining to prospective buyers terms like CGC, slabbing, resto checks, etc.

 

So yeah, there is a big percentage of the hobby that has never got on the carousel.

Pauly Shore enjoyed a reference on the last page.

 

The MCMiles vs namisgr throwdown was golden.

 

 

What, no love for my mint smackdown?

 

What if I add, "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

 

 

That was a 'smackdown?' Surely you can do better? At least for my 'fans' who 'lurk' here.

 

For someone who does not seem to agree with any of my views, you sure have a way of bringing me back into the conversation.

 

I will assume you never bothered to read my responses.

 

'mint'

I've no problem with your views. It's the presentation of those views. It's telling somebody who's been dealing comics full-time longer than you've likely been alive that they need to cease to be part of the conversation because you're a part-time antiques dealer with a vast storehouse of knowledge.

Especially when that person has been respectful and gracious enough to directly ask your opinion.

It's kinda like Pauly Shore giving Olivier acting tips because of Shore's vast experience in cinema.

This board is a small community. A lot of the folks here know each other in one capacity or another. It's no hyperbole to say that some of the most influential collectors and dealers in the world regularly frequent this forum. I submit to you that you have far more to learn from the folks here than you could ever teach them. And I honestly don't mean that to be insulting to you, though you might take it as such.

There is a tremendous stockpile of knowledge on these boards. More than I'm afraid you recognize, and, if so, that would be a shame. If you're able to step back and learn as well as pass on advice to your disciples, that would be great. There are people here who can teach you stuff about the hobby that you're never going to get in a Gary Rinker piece. And I don't suggest that I'm one of those people who's got something to teach you.

My mention of a smackdown was an attempt to diffuse the situation via humor. Obviously it ain't working. So I won't go there again. I'll back away from this and derail no more.

 

The MCMiles vs namisgr throwdown was golden.

 

What, no love for my mint smackdown?

What if I add, "Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

What was the critical point in the pcs discussion last time? I wasn't here then. I will say this. This time is different for no other reason than cgc has probably already got a contract to buy CI. That means money will change hands regardless of the outcry. It's done.

 

But, I can't fathom how people can't be in agreement that this, at the least, creates the perception of a conflict of interest.

 

An interesting post on WW's homepage:

Matt Nelson is off to Florida to do GREAT things at CGC!!! Although it saddens our hearts to lose the best comic partner there is in the business today, we at WorldWide Comics were surprised but very pleased that CGC persuaded the co-owner of our company to help lead them to the future. In the years we have spent devising the concept of the Pedigree Book (which will be finished) and creating WorldWide Comics, Matt has proven himself to be one of the few comic specialists with the integrity, expertise and knowledge that I would have wanted to partner with. CGC could not have selected a better person to help lead them at this time. We realize that a few people will look at his arrival at CGC in a negative light, but we know it will elevate CGC to higher levels. We are expecting great things for the market with Matt helping take the most pivotal company in the comic collecting world to new heights. Thanks for the the years you spent with us Matt. --- Stephen Ritter - WorldWide Comics

Just is just my opinion, but please do not attempt to compare the pressing of comic books to another collecting field that you may not be educated in. All that this does is either make you look like you do not know what you are talking about; or causes someone who is knowledgeable in the stated field to come and state facts, thus proving you wrong.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but this is so undeserved. It's pretty clear that you don't know who you are 'talking' to on these boards. If so, you might not be so confident in your 'expertise.'

 

When it comes to the hobby we talk about on these pages most of the time, I'll take Moondog's opinion over yours any day.

 

Well, to be fair, mint, moondog was only asking a question. He didn't seem to be stating or implying anything. You coming on here and explaining is pretty much what he was looking for. (thumbs u

 

Andy

Exactly, hence no need for the supercilious attitude.

Just is just my opinion, but please do not attempt to compare the pressing of comic books to another collecting field that you may not be educated in. All that this does is either make you look like you do not know what you are talking about; or causes someone who is knowledgeable in the stated field to come and state facts, thus proving you wrong.

 

 

I'm sorry, but this is so undeserved. It's pretty clear that you don't know who you are 'talking' to on these boards. If so, you might not be so confident in your 'expertise.'

When it comes to the hobby we talk about on these pages most of the time, I'll take Moondog's opinion over yours any day.

 

 

That said... mass-produced makes no difference.

 

If it becomes collectible, it can and will eventually be restored... especially the most valued items... including mass-produced items such as posters, books, bicycles, furniture, toys, automobiles, clothing, jewelry, guns, knives, dolls, clocks, boats... you get the idea.

We more readily accept restoration on one-of-a-kind works of fine art because it's the only way to maintain the singular artifact.

When twentieth-century comics are in a far greater state of deterioration that they are at present, what you're saying will hold more weight. But we'll all be dead by then.

All art gets restored. Us comic book collectors are the last to realize this.

 

Dan

 

This statement is 100% not true.

 

Ditto.

 

Actually, for the statement to be 100% not true, you would have to be suggesting that a correct statement would be "No art gets restored. US comic book collectors are the first to realize this."

 

 

Exactly. The last time I was at the Met and MOMA, the curators were more than happy to let me know what pieces were being restored and therefore not viewable. This pansy approach to purity is pathetic.

 

Dan

Comics are mass produced items. It's a world of difference.

All art gets restored. Us comic book collectors are the last to realize this.

 

Dan

 

This statement is 100% not true.

Ditto.

It's not very rare to be pressing related, as is made clear from numerous before-and-after scans and experiences.

 

Ok, Bob.

 

If the before and after scans are available, I don't think it should be easily dismissed.

 

I've been collecting SA and BA comics for 40 years, and while books with impacted staples are not rare, they are uncommon. One glance through a raw original owner collection confirms this. On the other hand, a perusal of the large scans from any Heritage or Pedigree auctions or the Worldwide Comics website shows the prevalence of Silver sporting high numerical grades and also at least one indented staple.

 

Pressing overhang wear also sometimes leaves behind horizontal color-breaking creases even on books that have 9.6 CGC grades. They, too, can be readily found in perusing scans from the usual suspect sites.

 

This is in no way meant to cast doubt on credentials...I'm just curious. When people say things like "I've been collecting for 40 years" do we all begin to tally our professional experience from the age of 5?

 

I'm 58

Ye old geezer.

It's not very rare to be pressing related, as is made clear from numerous before-and-after scans and experiences.

 

Ok, Bob.

 

If the before and after scans are available, I don't think it should be easily dismissed.

 

I've been collecting SA and BA comics for 40 years, and while books with impacted staples are not rare, they are uncommon. One glance through a raw original owner collection confirms this. On the other hand, a perusal of the large scans from any Heritage or Pedigree auctions or the Worldwide Comics website shows the prevalence of Silver sporting high numerical grades and also at least one indented staple.

 

Pressing overhang wear also sometimes leaves behind horizontal color-breaking creases even on books that have 9.6 CGC grades. They, too, can be readily found in perusing scans from the usual suspect sites.

This is in no way meant to cast doubt on credentials...I'm just curious. When people say things like "I've been collecting for 40 years" do we all begin to tally our professional experience from the age of 5?

 

 

 

At the end of the day when the dust settles, this will have almost ZERO effect on the hobby as a whole. Pressing is already a wide spread practice. If you saw my post in the comic book grading and restoration issues sub-forum; I have been what I call a 'major' collector of comic books since 2008; buying most of my books when the market went into a free fall in 2010. I just submitted my first submission for pressing months ago. Interestingly enough, out of three books chosen for a possible upgrade out of nine sent; only ONE got a grde bump of ONE lone grade (9.2 to a 9.4). The other two pressed and graded came back the same grade sent; and six were rejected for pressing.

 

 

 

So what book got the one grade bump? I can see you thinking it's insignificant if it were a two or three-figure book. But what about the person who presses a spidey 1 from a 9.2 to a 9.4? It seems to me you're overlooking some of the ramifications for the upper tiers of the hobby.

One advantage to those that don't care about pressing is going to be the huge increase in high grade books as the census numbers explode due to the integrated, institutionalized pressing "ringer" comic books will now be put through. Should definitely bring prices down moving forward. (thumbs u

 

Stick a fork in bronze.

Stick a fork in Wonder Woman comics.

 

Touche.

yeah ga Wonder Woman comic books will make a comeback

just in time for her to celebrate her 100 anniversary in the year 2041.

 

 

 

comeback is now...greggy and shrunkenhead is the market.

Don't leave out Gator.

One advantage to those that don't care about pressing is going to be the huge increase in high grade books as the census numbers explode due to the integrated, institutionalized pressing "ringer" comic books will now be put through. Should definitely bring prices down moving forward. (thumbs u

It sounds like your alluding that there will be a buyers market in the future?

 

Future? The future is now...keep your eye on the Heritage, Comicconnect, and Clink auctions ending this month. There's been an incessant stream of killer, HG books hitting the market this year and the hobby's capacity to absorb them all is being severely tested. On top of those, SparkleCity has another great round of auctions coming up this weekend so I think by mid-December when the dust settles, we'll see where the hobby currently stands.

 

By this time next year after the Sarasota machine has been cranking away for half a year...well, it will be interesting to see what the future holds!

Here's what Nostradamus tells me: the best books in the hobby will rise once again. Everybody else can duck and cover.

Sorry...I'm three glasses in over here.

One advantage to those that don't care about pressing is going to be the huge increase in high grade books as the census numbers explode due to the integrated, institutionalized pressing "ringer" comic books will now be put through. Should definitely bring prices down moving forward. (thumbs u

 

Stick a fork in bronze.

Stick a fork in Wonder Woman comics.

Touche.

One advantage to those that don't care about pressing is going to be the huge increase in high grade books as the census numbers explode due to the integrated, institutionalized pressing "ringer" comic books will now be put through. Should definitely bring prices down moving forward. (thumbs u

 

Stick a fork in bronze.

 

Really It's going to be virtually everything post 1966, and basically every Marvel post FF 1....but all of that was happening already I guess. This will just speed up the inevitable wind down of values.

If so, what happens to 1966 and earlier? A higher climb/increased desirability, or a similar tumble by association?

So maybe I missed it earlier in the thread...but if Matt Nelson moves to CGC, what happens to Worldwide?

One advantage to those that don't care about pressing is going to be the huge increase in high grade books as the census numbers explode due to the integrated, institutionalized pressing "ringer" comic books will now be put through. Should definitely bring prices down moving forward. (thumbs u

Stick a fork in bronze.

In North America we use a comma...

 

 

And whose fault is that?