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For all the those here who appreciate pence copies. Added another pence priced book to my collection recently...

Haha yeah good call. I guess I won't throw mine in the trash tonight

Don't forget about Dr Doom. First real Marvel villian. Once they some day make a FF movie from Marvel Studios his intro will get a nice sustainable bump. And maybe Magneto. Depending on how they handle him. Might also get a sustainable movie hype bump

Agreed. Avg 55 has crashed almost as hard as Ronan's intro. The way Ultron was portrayed in the movie definitely didn't do him any favors. I've read the avengers run from the 1960s through the 1980s and he was a more formidable villian in the actual comics (although he was pretty corny in his first couple appearances, I remember him throwing the word "cretins" around quite a bit). Even in some of the cartoons my 4 year old watches Ultron is handled better.

There you go. Just remembered they're all also reprinted in the Classic Xmen series, Volume 2 from the mid to late 80s I believe

Haha I have 3 myself. Probably time for a fire sale

Agree on the Mutant Massacre storyline. Really good read. I would also say any of the early "reboot" issues. From #94 through the late 130s with the Dark Phoenix and Hellfire Club stories. Although unfortunately those won't be cheap these days, but as someone else suggested online might be an option.

Oh yeah, I know what you mean. There are multiple antique shops by my house that do consignment. And the prices are outrageous. The store that had the Hansi book is a rare one where sell stuff cheap. For comics though they normally only have Archie's and other non hero stuff. None bagged or boarded or well displayed. Just tossed in a heap. I used to go in there once a week hoping to stumble upon a hidden AF15 or something crazy. Needless to say, didn't pan out. 😪

Cleaning out a drawer this weekend I discovered I have a copy of The Hiding Place that I forgot I owned. I guess it was ... hiding. I also remember passing on a copy of Hansi for 50 cents at an antique shop about 10 years ago. Even if these don't have any real monetary value they're still a cool oddity to own

That was an interesting question and actually reminded me I did have that basic situation happen a couple years ago. I sold an ASM where someone has doodled on Spiderman's web with what looked like a felt pen maybe. I called it out in the listing and showed a close-up pic but when the buyer got it he said he wanted to return it because he saw it as being restored. I assume he didn't clearly read the listing and was maybe surprised by the amateur doodle when he got it. I did accept the return though. See I'm not so terrible. Or am I...? Really though I've never denied an eBay return in over 15 years. Even though buyers do come up with some pretty questionable reasons. My intent here was never to come across like I'm the all powerful seller and I'll stick it to any buyer who crosses me. Hopefully it didn't seem that way. I just enjoyed discussing something I felt was unclear but I'll happily consider all of the info provided here. Thanks

All good points. I've actually called eBay before to see their policy for both buyers and sellers on the matter but I got different answers each time as to how they would handle it. I am curious if anyone has ever tried to invoke the buyers protection from eBay in a situation like this and how they ruled. Like I said I'm open to changing my mind on the matter. And some good info has been given here.

One last question. Are you secretly Matt Murdock? I only gave my opinion. If we can't have dissenting opinions due to a fear that others will take it as fact and then suffer as a consequence, well then I guess there's nothing left to say. Take care, man.

Some additional info on the UCC, found online: "adoption of the UCC often varies from one U.S. jurisdiction to another. Sometimes this variation is due to alternative language found in the official UCC itself. At other times, adoption of different revisions to the official UCC contributes to further variation. Additionally, some jurisdictions deviate from the official UCC by tailoring the language to meet their unique needs and preferences. Lastly, even identical language adopted by any two U.S. jurisdictions may nonetheless be subject to different statutory interpretation by each jurisdiction's courts." I have my opinions but as with anything I remain open to changing my perspective, considering the matter remains murky, which I am comfortable acknowledging. Personally I wouldn't begin to speculate on the difficulty of convincing a judge of anything.

Ok final thought 😁 I agree that what your saying makes sense for something like an auto inspection or a home inspection where the potential buyer has the item inspected prior to buying. But I've never heard of anyone buying a house and then having it inspected and returning it. Of course now someone will cite an example where this has happened 😂 but I still stand by never hearing of it

Yes restoration is black and white. But if a seller puts up a raw book for auction and the buyer never asks about restoration and the seller never says it is or isn't restored (because he doesn't know) then why would the seller expect a guarantee on something that they didn't negotiate when making the purchase? I think a guarantee on something like a missing ad page is a reasonable assumption because that is something clear to the naked eye. And I agree that "as is" can't purely be based on the online transaction. Once the buyer gets the book in hand that is their prime chance to review the book in great detail and come to their own conclusion. I've said that from the beginning. If the buyer inspects the book and deems it restored then the seller should accept the return because it should reasonably have been caught and disclosed. But if the buyer can't tell either that it's restored then why blame the seller instead of blaming themself? They had a chance to return the book and instead decided to get it graded. At that point they chose that it was an acceptable risk based on their own review and they now own the book. Thats how I see it anyway, but what do I know. I admit it's somewhat gray though and emotions can come into play. Even if I felt the buyer was in the wrong I would probably feel bad for him and still work something out. So yeah, it's complicated. Anyway It's been good debating with you, and I do mean that, but I shall now retire to bed

Again I do see you point. And it's well thought out. But that line of thinking is assuming the buyer and seller are agreeing that if the book is restored it can be returned. If the seller has no idea it's restored and the buyer gets it in hand and also has no idea it's restored then HE is now the owner who doesn't know it's restored. ( This is all assuming the seller isn't a scumbag who restored it himself or took it out of a purple label case. If that's the case I'm onboard and it's basically fraud). The seller doesn't continue to own the book indefinitely. In my mind the transfer of ownership happens once the buyer gets the book and decides to grade THEIR book. Renting someone else's book to see how it turns out isn't a reasonable expectation.

I see and respect your points even though I disagree. If I'm selling a raw book I'm selling as is. A raw ungraded comic book. I have no affiliation with any grading company or any way or obligation to uphold to their standards. If I had the same expertise and tools at my disposal as they do then I would probably charge a lot more. If someone wants that type of guarantee then thats why already graded books are a good option. Maybe a new company will come out tomorrow that deems all books with a dog ear to be Grade A Bow Wow Worthless. If I'm selling a raw book it's not my responsibility to adhere to a companies standards that I am in no way affiliated with. I think some buyers are incorrectly assuming that sellers have to uphold to professional grading company standards. But if a regular Joe seller isn't claiming his books are going to meet the specific standards of an independent company then it isn't reasonable to use that companies standards to hold the seller responsible. Am I playing a little bit of devil's advocate? Maybe. Am I somewhat drunk? Probably. But if a buyer is expecting a guarantee in relation to CGC standards, then they should buy something that has already been reviewed and verified by....CGC.

Forgot I have two of these types of books. The first (1st 3 pics) is called Marvel Chronicle A Year by Year History. It's from2008. The cover isn't much to look at but the info inside is amazing. It covers Golden Age Timely Comics through modern Marvel. The other book (last 3 pics) is only Marvel Comics from 1961-1978 and isn't quite as good of a read, but still pretty good. It's called the Marvel Age of Comics Can't really go wrong with either one.

Totally agree. If a buyer wants the seller to be responsible when a book is found to be restored does he also want the seller to be credited when the book grades higher than expected and is worth much more than the price paid? The point being, I don't like the idea of some buyers buying raw books and expecting to be able to "test the value" to see if they got a deal by sending it to be graded and then wanting to return if it doesn't work out. I agree that if a buyer wants a guarantee on a book then he should buy an already graded book. There's an inherent risk in buying a raw book. There is also a potential reward. If you buy a raw book and it grades well you can end up with much more value than what you paid for. It just doesn't seem right that someone wants to only be onboard for the reward part but wants a guaranteed backout clause for the risk part. If the risk part is a blocker, then buying already graded is probably the best bet.

I've got one at home, specific to Marvel though, that covers from the golden age up to whenever it was made (early 2000s maybe). Found it at Goodwill one day. It's a large hardcover book. Pretty good read with plenty of pics. I can post a pic tonight with the title.

Good question. I just did some amateur searching of active and sold graded copies on eBay and I couldn't find a single one where interior writing was noted on the label.

Well said.

Good list of options. Thanks. I've got the book in a long box temporarily in storage so if the can get to it any time soon I'll get a pic. I was doing some googling last night and I realized I forgot how wildly Stan's signature varies. So I don't think there's realistically any way a mortal man can look and say one vs another is 100% fake. To illustrate: below is a lineup of signed Avengers #1's. If anyone wants to play along, feel free to try to guess which ones are verified slabbed sigs and which are unverified (and possibly fake). If anyone is totally right you get a No Prize. Refer to them in order from top to bottom. #1 being the top and #10 being the bottom.

Damn, you're really bringing me down here 😄 . I've bought and sold and previously owned a decent number of graded books signed by Stan and this one def LOOKS totally legit, but obviously that's just opinion. I'm going with glass half full on this one though

That's too bad. Thanks for the quick reply though. Good to know at least