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oops sorry about that Harry I just assumed you had completed since you signature says looking for 35 cent variants. which one do you still need that tough Kid Colt #208? Good Luck Hope you get one soon and sorry for the mixup.

Yea that would have been cool. has anyone ever seen a orginal cover from that time with the 35 cent variant price on it? Also thought I would post a comparison of the art and the variant.

I was watching that auction and wandering did they just paste or glue all the Text on comic cover orginal art before they sent them off to the engravers looks that way and it also looks like some of it is falling off? And what is with the Master of Kung Fu's head did they cut that out of another comic? How did they go about doing the different price verisions like the 35 cent variant the 12p UK and the diamond direct market verision did they just paste or tape the new price over the 30 cent price and make four sets of plates if so did the other prices just fall of the orginal art or maybe the engravers removed it to use on the next comic does anyone on hear know how this was done . Maybe DiceX knows . Also I would like to Congratulate Darth and ShieldAgent on completeing their 30 variant sets very COOL .

Hi; I got another little manafacturing error that I have been wandering about for a while. I have two comics a Defenders 50 and a Marvel Tales 82 and I did have a Peter Parker 7 that all have two sets of staples in other words two at the top and two at the bottom what I found strange about this is that one set of staples is inside the cover and the other set holds the cover on and all three of these comics are like that. It is like the comic was stapled together without the cover and then they sent it back through and stapled a cover over it did this ever happen

DiceX would it be safe to assume that on this error on the Howard the Duck that the error ones would have been printed before the corrected one or is it just as likely that it could have happened at the end of the print run. I guess what I am asking is did they change the plates during a print run for any reason other than errors like this, like did they wear out after so many pages or did they use the same plates for the whole run?

Hear is something very interesting I have discovered a printing error in my Howard the Duck #15 35 cent variant it has 4 pages where the color plates were switched "see DiceX's thread in Comic Book Grading and Restoration Issue about Production Flaws". Hear is what I am thinking if the 35 cent variants were printed at the same time as the normal 30 cent issues which I assume they were because if they were not they would be reprints right. And since the 35 cent variant of this Howard the Duck 15 has 4 pages of errors and the normal 30 cent verision does not would this not mean that the 35 cent variants were printed first and after they corrected the error they printed the normal 30 cent ones. Is this Proff that 35 cent variants were printed before the normal 30 cent version ? I don't know for sure but I have seen two HTD 15 variants with this error and I have seen dozens of the normal 30 cent version with out it and it doesn't make sense that the error would happen at the end of a print run which would require plate changes what does everyone else think?

Thanks DiceX this is by far the best thread on the boards and sorry for the lame questions I will have to go and visit the comic plant some day and see it all in action. Thanks again for all the great info.

Hi; DiceX hate to keep bothering you but I find this all very, very interesting you say that each page has 4 plates one for each color and you have also said that they did the whole 32 pages of a comic at once on one sheet could you explain this a little. I am just guessing that each press must have some how had 16 plates on it and that the sheet must have to be fliped at some point to print the other side does this mean that each sheet goes through 8 presses each with 16 different plates on it to get the finished 32 pages story. If this is correct how are the plates put on the press and how do they apply the ink to the plates and are the presses just a large squar press that goes strait up and down producing one page at a time or is it some kind of large roller press where the pages just keep moving through continuously never stoping? Back to my comic with the 4 pink pages you are saying that the 4 plates for two different colors of those pages got put on the wrong press and their for got the wrong color on them. I am also assumeing that each press only has one of the 4 colors is this right sorry if this sounds dumb but I would love to hear how it really works when you have the time .

Does this mean you think my copy would be the only one, because I have seen another one with the pink on those 4 pages. Question did they have seprate plates for every single page or did plates have more than one page on them like maybe 4 pages on one plate since only 4 pages in this comic were colored that way? I am sorry if this is a dumb question.

Hi; Dice X I have another little error for you I have two Marvel Howard the Duck comics #15 from Aug. 1977 one has page #2,15,18&31 with a lot of pink color on them in place of the green and yellow which is in the other one. What happened hear did they just use the wrong color or maybe left out a color and why is it just on 4 pages and not the whole comic ? I will attach page 18 which it is most noticible on, let me know what you think.

Tough book and great job on putting a set of 30 cent variants together so quick you are a lot closer than me . Did anyone on hear ever make a deal with that guy who posted all those 30 cent variants on hear a while back what happened with that ?

Congradulation and very Cool osborn_france

Thanks comichunter I am sure that your FF 187 must have came from Memphis TN. orginaly. Also very Cool find on that 35 cent in the indicia on that FF 187 I went through and checked every Marvel comic from that month Oct. and the FF 187 is the only one with 35 cent in the indicia. Does any one think that maybe their were some delay in releasing this pictular issue and that posibably it was released with the eairly Nov. issues instead of with the Oct. ones since it is the only one with the 35 cent in the indicia? Could this have been the very Last Marvel 35 cent price variant ? Also wandering about that Marvel Greatest 74 that Darth brought up with the 30 cent diamond price and it being a Nov. 77 issue does anyone have one of those handy and can check what price in the indicia on that one wonder if it says 30 cent? Is it posible that this one was moved up a week to cover for a late FF 187 or am I way off hear ?

Cool find !!!!! I had never realy looked at the indicia but after I read your post I checked a few ASM 173, Avengers 164, and X-Men 107 35 cent variants all Oct. issues all have 30 cent in the indicia I also looked at my Fantastic Four 187 35 cent variant and it does say 35 cent in the indicia so I pulled out all my 30 cent FF 187 and they all have 35 cent in the indicia I also have a UK one and it also has 35 cent in the indicia. Mabye the FF 187 was released the last week of Oct. and got the 35 cent in the indicia and mabye their are some more like this I will look through some more tomorrow and see if I can find any more if I do I will let you know . By the way what kind of distribution marks does your FF 187 35 cent variant have on it?

I still have not contacted bonas yet but I will try. I was very happy that both Glenn and Daffy replied to my emails but I not sure if either one is willing to sit down and list every one they have and I can't blame them it took me hours to do mine and I am sure they have almost as many as I do if not more it would be Great if they did but that is up to them and I will be happy with any info they are willing to share .

Thanks Darth I also thought I would through this on hear for anyone interested in the differences of these Distribution marks on Marvel's 35 cent variants I posted this eairler on S&B 35 cent variant thread but hear it is again.

Well I have a chart of the Tuscaloosa AL. 35 cent variants that I know of and I have a big problem with this one their are 5 different colors instead of 4 and I am not sure why but I am sure all the comics on this chart came from Tuscaloosa. All the comics I have seen form Tuscaloosa have about a one inch band of color near the middle of the top edge if anyone finds any like this let me know what you have and where it came form if you know. I still need a lot of help on this project so anyone interested please feel free to make suggestions or give your opinions I am open to any help I can get Also like to thank Daffy06 from ebay who has helped me add a few more to my Toledo OH. chart I will try to update it before long and post it hear.

Very Cool Carl and VERY Nice Set I only have one CGC graded 30 cent variant a 9.2 ASM 157 can I start a set?

I finaly got that Memphis TN. chart completed but it has a lot more holes in it than the Toledo one did but I will attach it anyway for all that are interested to see and if anyone can help fill any of the holes that would be Great. I also heard from Glenn last night and he comfirms that his High Grade Wilimgton NC. collection of 100+ variants have no Distribution marks on them so I think that verifys that Wilimgton NC. distributor did not mark their comics and I would also think for High Grade collectors the Wilimgton ones would be the most disireable examples. Well I will get to work on that Tuscaloosa AL.chart in the next few days and compare the three and see if the comics from each of those test markets were released in the same weeks or not, if so then I may be able to predict most of the missing comics from all the charts if not it will be a very long process.

Good to hear form you silverandbronze some Great Info and some good points I also fear that two distributors used the same marks and I do know that two different sorces did spray the whole tops of their comics but I think I will eventually be able to tell them apart. I think the biggest problem will be if two Test Markets don't mark them at all like Wilmington NC. In my understanding of Distribution marks "which is not very good" each week of the month has a different color and if Marvel released their comics on time then a certain tital would always have that color marks, Lets take ASM for example from the Toledo chart well ASM 169, 170 & 172 were all in the Yellow colum, the 171 is in the Green colum, and the 173 is in the Red colum, well before I started this I would have assumed that they would have all been the same color. So if my understanding of how Distribution is correct then ASM 171 and 173 came out different weeks than the others either that or I have no ideal how Distribution marks were used . and I am very sure all the ones I have on my Toledo chart are correct. Their are some that do all have the same color and they are all reprints, Marvel's Greatest, Marvel Super Action and Marvel Super Heroes of course these are bimonthly but maybe Marvel was more on time with these since they were reprints . Well so far I am sure their are at least 5 test markets one of which is still a mystery to me but most of the comics I got form Motor City came from their and I also got some form MGD5 on ebay that must have come form this 5th Test Market and I think when I get that Toledo chart more complete I will be able to fit those into a 5th Test market. thier are two more comics that don't fit I have one with the Memphis like marks but looks like the color is orange and if this is the case that would be 5 colors for Memphis and I don't think that is likely. I also have 5 colors on the comics with the one inch band in the middle, Green, Red, Yellow, Black & Blue, my thinking hear is maybe the Orange one is either from another market or is just a mistake I need to take a better look at that one, the other with the one inch band does any one think maybe at some point the Tuscaloosa distributor may have subsituted black for blue I guess I will know when I get to that chart. I really like to hear how and where 35 cent variants are found and I especially like to hear form the orginal owners like Daethwalker, but I really hope the guy you got them form was telling you one because if he is not I am wasting my time hear . I think that the group of variants you bought must have came from at least 3 different locations " I need to believe this in order to go on with this project" I wish their was a way to be sure. I have also bought a large collection of these from the orginal owner who says that in his area you could not find any 30 cent ones or he would have bought those instead. Well I hope I am not Wasting my time I nearly have a chart done for the Memphis Test market I will try to post it a little later tonight if I get it done. silverandbronze I really value your opinion and hope it don't sound like I don't. I would love to hear anything you have to say on this and any info you may want to offer would be Great.

Hi; Roger I don't know what is wrong but my chart don't match your list their are a few colums that come close but then the next month they are totaly off I have rearanged it in every conceivable way but nothing looks right . and it is very inprotant to get them in the right order. I do have a ideal but it might take a long time also has anyone got any 35 cent variants with date stamps on them I have one I will attach it and it has a Apr.18 1977 date so I will assume that every comic that came out that month with the same color spray on them came out the same week as this comic which is the July issues with Yellow spray. If anyone has any with Date stamps and would like to help post them or PM me and if anyone can come up with a better way to get the weeks orginized in the proper order Please let me know. Also does anyone on hear know if Marvel was consistent on getting their comics out on time or was that not the case at all, in other words did Marvel have comics that were ment for the first week of the month come out maybe a week or two late or even eairly for that matter because it is sure looking like this was the case by what I have so far. Well anyway I appreciate any help or Ideals on this I can get and please let me know what you think. Thanks; Terry

Thanks William and Harry I have not got very many responses yet but I have emailed Glenn and Daffy and I hope they will be willing to help and their are a few more I still have not emailed yet that may be able to help alot. I also want to thank Keith for helping me add another to my Toledo Chart now I only need 56 more. I think that if we have one chart complete we can assume that all the other charts will be in the same order comic wise in other words if one comic, say ASM 169, was in the second week of June in one test market it should be the second week of June in all the test markets so if we have one complete chart we should know how to fill out the other charts without actualy having examples of every issue does this sound right or is it poisble that this could vary Well I still need to work on the order of weeks the chart goes in and any help in this is appreciated as I am still trying to figure out why 6 colums have no comics in them . William could you check out your 35 cent variants and let me know what marks they have I think those PP you got from me came from Toledo I will have to check and I never looked at them when I had them to see what kind of marks or color they had . I will get to work on that Memphis Chart soon and post it hear and maybe we can see if all the variants were released in different markets on the same weeks. Thanks; Terry

For all those nuty 35 cent variant collectors including me I thought I would start a thread to see if we could piece together the 35 cent variant Distribution Question if that is posible. And maybe get a better ideal of just how Rare these are ? Well I have started making a list of all the Distribution marks on the tops of Marvel's 35 cent variants from 1977 and so far I have found 4 different types. 1. top sprayed usualy covering all the top and is sometimes faint and pachy. 2. one or two color marks about 1/8 inch or less wide usualy on left top edge. 3. about a 1 inch band of color close to the center of the top edge. 4. No marks or color at all. My hope is to get anyone who is interested in this subject to post anything that might be of help toward this goal. The main thing I am looking for now is anyone who has any 35 cent variants if they could list their comics the type of mark and color of it and if they know where it came from that would be a big help. Also anyone with knowledge of how distributors marked their comics I would love to hear all about it . Well I have been working on this for just a week now and thanks to Carl, Harry, Roger, Keith, Jeff and Tony Brock's help I have a chart that has 127 of the 184 of all the variants from the Toledo area Test market and I will attach it to this post . and if anyone has any that is not on their I would love to add them. I also welcome any help in figureing out which color was used which weeks and is it posible that the distributer only put out comics every two weeks as their are 6 colums with no comics in them, and their is one with only one but their are still 57 comics missing from the chart . I still have a lot of work to do as I have two more Test markets to chart, Memphis and Tuscaloosa" and I don't have near as many examples of these as I do for Toledo", but I hope to complete them some time and Post them hear for everyone's use. I don't think their is a need to make one for Wilmington as their are no marks on those. and then I need to figure out how to deal with all the ones that don't fit on any of the charts hopefuly a 5th market will come to light soon and maybe a 6th one. Anyway I will give this a shot and just hope I am not wasting my time . Thanks; Terry

Very Cool 30 center lot I hope Carl, Harry,,j.r.9 and Roger all are able to get the 30 cent variants they need to complete their sets or just build on what they have this is a great find. I would like to hear how many complete 30 cent variant sets this find makes if they sell

HI; Jeff That Star Wars #1 is very interesting I have been looking for a 30 cent one with the diamond price for a while now but I have about decided it doesn't exist has anyone on hear ever seen one? I have also never seen one with the UPC and the diamond price But I wouldn't mind having one wheather it is a reprint or not.