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Those look great.

The strange thing I have seen with pre-lims is that they go for 5-20% of the published piece. Depending on the piece. 

What I never understood is how a finished prelim could sell for less than a similar looking sketch or commission piece by the same artist.  

I agree with you that the process is very cool. At the same time - the prelim is where the spark of creativity took place. The artist created magic from a blank page. The finished piece is usually a more detailed copy of the prelim. 

The reality is - that most comic art collectors prefer finished(slick?) looking pieces. Perhaps thats why most of us like inked more than pencils.  

Interesting topic - hope more folks here chime in on how they feel about this stuff.

13 hours ago, Chaykin Stevens said:

It's page 1 from the Amazing Spider-Man 1999 annual, pencilled and inked by Big John.

thank you.

@AnkurJ your premise is correct as long as you see the market going up. I know that for comics and toys and such - every year new stuff costs more than previous years. and yesterday's prices on most items usually feel cheaper when looking back.   a lot of folks I meet will say about a purchase ' its expensive' - but not if you try to imagine what that item might cost in the future. I think for me any way - its got mostly to do with budget. how much do I have to spend.  Even if I feel an item will go up, - I am constrained to some extent by my budget. Also  - it is possible to overpay for stuff.  For example when buying of coolyness. Perhaps the market will catch up to their prices in the future - but how long is that?

another interesting report.

the one item on the list that I was actually very keen on was the Lee X-men.  But after winning some other stuff to be posted soon, I couldn't go to 15k on a page.   The reason I am talking about this page here is your comment about the team not having their regular costumes. For me, the costumes in that issue make this more special as that Jim Lee run with the 'new costumes' was so cool when it came out and is preferable for me as a collector of art. It will be interesting to see what happens with UXM 248 cover coming up in the next big heritage auction. Not Lee's best X-cover, but it is his first.

the other piece I did not win,but which I was initially excited about and wanted to go after was the Bill S Elektra painting.   not sure if the final hammer price was good or bad - but the off-centered image (all the way on the right) kept me from bidding higher.   I loved the way he painted Elektra, but that blank space beside her was going to bother me if I ever had the chance to hang it on my walls.

5 minutes ago, zhamlau said:

I’m gonna try and remember to take some pics this year.

Booyakasha my cgc art fan brother!

4 hours ago, MR SigS said:

Tim Vigil- 

 

wow! Can't believe that is Vigil. Its outstanding. Congrats.

so - I am not sure if this page was inked by Buscema - but I suspect it might have been as it all came in a package when I got it some 20 years back. I am not sure what its from and perhaps if anyone knows - you can let me know here. the writing on it says amazing spider-man annual. but not sure which one, if at all.

what makes this piece interesting to the discussion is the 3 stages of drawing Big John went through to create this.

1st is the loose layout page drawn on regular 11x17 paper.

2nd is a slightly tighter pencil piece on marvel board

finally the inked page.

as you can see - he made some changes to the shots -but the most striking thing for me is the fact that the earlier stages are far more lively. On the other hand -the inked page seems to have lost a lot of that energy and life that existed in the rough work.

hey guys and gals,

if anyone here is heading to art con on Sunday March 18th and has pictures they can post of the event (booth displays, cool pieces etc..) it would be very nice of you.

thanks in advance.

not sure if anyone cared for the series Silent Invasion -but the cover for 5 just showed up at koch comic art for $800.  not sure if that is a fair price or not - the original price is still written in pencil at the top corner.

10 hours ago, Nexus said:

Heh...a poll of my customer base would look quite a bit different. But so would their OA collecting interests. We skew older here (and as Hekla points out, probably even older on Comicart-L), with a collecting emphasis on vintage art.

maybe that could be a topic for a future podcast. do a survey and discuss. or not. just an idea.

3 hours ago, vodou said:

I had quite a bit of interest in the art, but no interest in this:

Winning Bid:

$8,783.57 (Includes 18% Buyer's Premium)

I  had the toy - got at a garage sale as a kid. loved it. not sure what happened to it -but as a kid, the best part was that it fired missiles out of the wings which popped open.

What is the story behind this thread. Feel like I have been in a cave and missed out on the news here.

wow. great podcast. this was back to basics, collectors talking to collectors - and real treat overall.

one interesting point that came up with the Andy discussion was ending auction prices 'with juice'.  Although lots of folks say they look at the final price when they bid at HA - I think there are many of us who consistently fail to do this. The hammer price is always the physically larger # on the screen and the one that is mentioned by the auctioneer -while the 'juice' portion is played down. The end result is many of us spend more at HA - and the extra money doesn't go to the consignor.  This is one reason I like CLINK better -as ending prices don't carry that same level of fees that make it seem like a great result -but in HA's case -that result benefits them, not the consignor.

The other part of Andy's story about a friend who sold art to buy art - was very relatable.  I have sold stuff only to not have enough to fund a piece.  The trick, I learned, the hard way - is to buy first -and then sell.  this way if you lose the auction, no need to sell.

6 hours ago, zhamlau said:

20 somethings don't have money to buy comic art. By all accounts they aren't good at savings, incur HUGE debts early, and spend it as they make it. I'm not trying to be mean, but i think its unreasonable to expect them be to able to afford this stuff...heck I dont know how I can afford this stuff anymore lol.

 

At least one collector exists. Remember the Capullo Batman 1 cover?

34 minutes ago, delekkerste said:

My faves: Judge Dredd, Jon Sable, ARBBHamsters, The Adventurers, DNAgents, Airboy, Groo, Xenozoic Tales, Area 88, LW&C

 

 

What is LW&C?

1 hour ago, Rick2you2 said:

I wonder if the poll accurately reflects the pool of OA collectors' ages. People in the 41-50 group are often busy raising families and saving/paying for college. This seems like a tough hobby to afford or to remain active, when busy with those other things. And how many people in that age group can afford dropping 6 figures for some artwork?

I would expect the actual ages to poll higher.

Perhaps if this poll was up on CAF - it would be different?  As the pool is larger than thoae of us here.

6 hours ago, williamhlawson said:

I expect to see a ridiculously high number in thae 41 - 50 range continue.  The under 30 result will most likely end up causing concern amongst many I presume as well.  But...many collector's I know 'graduated' to art after focusing on comics, books, toys and even posters prior to the art bug biting them.   I didn't know a lot of collectors in my 20's and early 30's other than myself actually, but boom...here we are now!  I don't know a lot of 20 something's who through 1k around for a high quality (hopefully) splash page either.  As a book I read once said..."Don't Panic". And obviously...the answer will be 42....;)

 

The universe is so depressing

2 hours ago, jjonahjameson11 said:

Personally, I prefer the Ivan Reis homage, but the Jurgens version is also an interesting take, and of course, you can never go wrong with the Simpson

 

 

I have the Reis cover. See it HERE.

I love the Cooke piece too. Was going to bid - but since it was a commission - I passed on trying. This cover was 'homaged' several times and remains a fun topic for sure.  I am sure new versions will come up in years to come.

This poll was inspired by the poll for 'how long have you been collecting art'.  Since the results there show most of us in the higher end - I was curious to see if that makes most of us fall into the higher age groups ?

7 hours ago, Bill C said:

I still wouldn't mind getting great examples from Elementals (both Willingham and Leeke), Ralph Snart, normalman, and more (GMC) Dark Assassin and (Silverwolf) Grips.

It seems all the major Elementals pieces are out there, so that's good to see. Snart, as many of us know, seems to be mysteriously absent from the marketplace (I have some theories). Dark Assassin/ Grips is in the hands of someone difficult to deal with. Surprisingly, I've seen almost nothing on the market from Valentino's normalman. A SDCC cover, a Journey cover, and one panel page is all I remember seeing. Guessing it was all sold cheap decades ago at conventions and in the hands of people not currently playing in the art game.

There is a ralph snart color guide coming up @ ha.com  - the image wasnt up when I found it posted via CAT the other day. Comes up in next week's Sunday auction.

3 hours ago, lobrac said:

Dalgoda #3 title page by Dennis Fujitake (Fantagraphics, 1983). You can close the thread now. 

ah.. makes me think back to the era of epic illustrated, void indigo and the like. Nice page. Incidentally Fish Police has come up often at ha. another long running series of the time.

3 hours ago, vodou said:

"Care to own", present tense, seemed you might have something...present tense

I think there are some fans of the series out and about, but I never see it brought up in the context of original art, got a little excited!

there was a cool piece a short while back at heritage -but I missed it as I was bidding on other items. its not from the original series -but a very cool piece by Steve Rude.

heritage link

2 hours ago, Brian Peck said:

32 years I got my first page from my father , Incredible Hulk Annual #7 by Byrne  and Layton.

So was your dad a collector too? 

5 hours ago, vodou said:

Yes. Whatcha got?

Not sure what you are saying.  I dont have any art from that series yet.  Keeping my eyes open.

Seems like a lot of the items you checked off had longer runs. In that respect - some of my favorites include Nexus, Groo, Grendel, teenage mutant ninja turtles, badger, grimjack and judge dredd.

At the same time - shorter series that I still care to own art from include:  adventurers, elf lord, troll lords, whisper, eagle, mr monster, megaton man, adolecent black belt hamsters.

90s indy titles at the top of my list - madman, the tick and bone.