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On 8/7/2021 at 11:38 AM, Timeless icons said:

 I wasn't asking for a bashing on my lowly piece of art but I guess that's what I got. As I said, I don't collect art but I like Deadpool and it was cheap at the time so I bought it from a friend. I figured I was going to possibly place it up for auction soon and wanted to get an idea on people more educated in OA than I was. Perhaps I should have titled the thread " how much is my garbage art worth". 

Well, to be fair the bashing wasn't necessarily on you or the art, nor did any one equate it to being garbage. You had no idea and came asking for advice. The bashing is more on Kevin76's astronomical evaluation, and unfortunately you were too quick to agree it was valid. Any of us would always gravitate towards the higher evaluation.

DeadpoolJr basically shut this topic down with the knowledge bomb that he dropped.

On 7/31/2021 at 1:44 PM, PhilipB2k17 said:

A little harsh. But this is the type of page that sits on eBay forever with a BIN of $250

True, insignificant is largely subjective on my part.

But even with the price of comic art on the rise, this piece is rather boring and like you said, would sit unsold on eBay with a BIN of $250.

A GRAND??

Gus Vasquez... a rather insignificant fill-in artist that I had to Google.

An insignificant page from an insignificant book by an insignificant artist. I'd say you're lucky to get $200 for that.

A GRAND. Lol.

People have already chimmed in regarding JSC.

Jay Anacleto is handled by Kirk Dilbeck - https://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryDetail.asp?GCat=14545

Regarding Ben Oliver, as someone who owns two of his best covers (clearly biased here) - GOOD LUCK getting a hold of him. He is not repped by anyone.

On 6/19/2021 at 7:37 PM, Unstoppablejayd said:

Anyone have some insight on why this portacio panel broke 10k? Something special or is that where we are now for his x related art ? 
 

 

I bet we can see some Portacio XMEN pages sudden pop up on the market asking for comparable prices.

16 minutes ago, artdealer said:

No one ever said anything about personality. 

Ok, but I was simply responding to a comment regarding how the show was painful to watch. Am I not allowed to do that?

4 hours ago, Garry Ghoul said:

this show was painful to watch

I really love what Bill and cast do with those auctions, as CRINGEworthy as they get.

But man, scanning through the one Glen put on was even worse. As least Bill and cast have some character.

Me, after last night.

On 5/26/2021 at 7:10 AM, timguerrero said:

I think Anabelle Kirby represents him try contacting her at Kirby's Comic Art. 

He did some work with KCA, but he was never represented by KCA.

I actually don't think he's ever had full representation under any group, including Comic Art House.

On 5/12/2021 at 6:31 PM, exitmusicblue said:

Re: one of the above posts, I wouldn't paint Felix as a mere hype man / great sales guy, btw.  He's proven to have exceedingly good taste in terms of who he reps. Signal to noise kinda thing.  Many collectors and speculators alike have come to trust his taste and respond accordingly.

 

Well, I wasn't trying to simply paint him as a hype man with no substance. He has curated a list of incredible artists who are deserving of praise.

On 5/16/2021 at 12:34 AM, Nexus said:

Whether it's prices for commissions or published art, we always try to arrive at something that we feel is fair to both artists and collectors. We do not set out to gouge anyone. Pricing is in collaboration with the artists; sometimes I tell the artists they are charging too low. Other times, though, I have to tell them their expectations are too high. Ultimately, the market decides. And from the beginning, the market has responded very positively to how we price. (Our "market" being primarily comprised of collectors who would describe themselves as those with "smaller pockets".)

Now, we HAVE sold art for some surprising amounts (certainly, to me). But don't overlook the fact that we also very likely sell more art priced in the $100 (or less) neighborhood than any other dealer or rep. So that everyone has a chance to acquire an original from us, regardless of the size of their pockets. I love the art form, I love the hobby, and actively promote it via avenues like the podcast and YouTube. Call it "hype", but the passion, and more importantly, the talent of the artists, are real. I work hard to introduce OA to new fans and collectors. That new demand may be detrimental to other collectors when it comes time to buy, but I don't believe that's detrimental to the hobby otherwise. Quite the opposite. It's all certainly been a boon for other reps, artists, sellers, et al.

Oh, hi. Don't get me wrong Felix, I'm not trying to throw any shade your way. I do think you're the best rep in the business, and you do a really great job at promoting the artists. Perhaps i'm just a bit jaded by the increasing rise in prices, and the sudden influx of new collector whales into the hobby who seem to have endless budgets. 

On 5/6/2021 at 9:39 PM, John E. said:

 

2. In my 8 years of collecting I had not known Albert to sell these types of headshots until Covid. True to his style, Albert pushes the limits on market price. And gets rewarded for it. 
 

Not just Albert. Felix is kind of the current master at pushing the market prices higher and higher, and it's really a testament to how good of a sales guy he is. He's the ultimate hype man, and unfortunately for those of us with smaller pockets, he's extremely good at it.

Great for him and great for his artists. Detrimental for the hobby, imo.

On 2/27/2021 at 5:03 PM, vodou said:

It doesn't, and that's not the point. You guys need to do a lot more of your own research - this is a foundational concept to the thing: anybody can see it but only the NFT owner "owns" anything (aside from creator rights and revenue stream). 

This. Exactly this. You own the art. It's just like listing our stuff on CAF. People can still download the image and make copies, etc. But they'll never actually own the original.

On 2/27/2021 at 3:13 PM, Will_K said:

As described by Jason of Essential Sequential, they are creating NFTs that are forever paired with physical art.  He said the pair can never be broken up.  He gave the analogy that it would be like taking a Mickey Mantle rookie card and giving half to Bill Cox and half to Felix.  Not half shares... but actually tearing the card in half.  Not sure if he counts as an SME but he's transacting sales using the model he described.

 

Well, technically you can't actually pair an NFT with something physical. There has to be some digital manifestation of the physical art, and thats what gets tied to the block-chain. So yes, you can technically sell off the OA and keep the NFT that is tied to the digital. 

18 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said:

NFT guarantees chain of custody and ownership of a specific digital image. But it doesn’t prevent the original artists from issuing another NFT token for the same digital image at a later date. You’d have to still get an exclusivity guarantee of some kind, which would be in the form of a contract and subject to litigation. 
 

An NFT would be better if it could be paired with physical OA. 

Or in this case, 52 different NFT tokens for this digital image by Jock:

https://makersplace.com/jock/drops/reflections-570/?fbclid=IwAR1USfMWCApQKSS2a7AfiXnEq2bQGK6HGGuXCi5J3FdAnjJsvow_s9PCbpI

Each edition (essentially each NFT) was sold for $499.

And then you have: a red variants of that same image:

https://makersplace.com/jock/reflections-code-red-10-of-10-47272/#

Edition of 10, and originally sold for what looks like $758.99 each. Looks like someone is offering about $2500 for one of these NFTs.

And finally: the elusive BLACK variant. 1 of 1.

https://makersplace.com/jock/reflection-1-of-1-47262/

Jock has not let this go yet, but he current has an offer on the table for about $5900.

1 hour ago, Shin-Kaiser said:

I'm a newbie collector. I've been buying art for less than 4 years and in that time I've seen prices move up, especially for particular artists. The 1st piece of art I wanted to buy was a double page spread from a newly released comic. At the drop, I got sticker shock at the price. 3k, way more than I intended to spend. In the very short time that I convinced myself that I would still buy it (mere minutes), the artwork was already gone. Since then, prices for that artist have sky rocketed, and I fear that I'm now priced out. I really wish I bought that DPS at 3k without thinking twice. Currently, it seems, the market is moving quickly.

I've only been collecting since 2017 myself, and yes, prices have continued to rise. Keep an eye out on the secondary market, that's where you'll find amazing deals.

3 minutes ago, Twanj said:

These wouldn't sell at auction or on the secondary market for that, but they want you to pay up if you want it. Why not try to make an offer tho?

Well, if I have been able to resist this long, that tells me that I just don't want it enough to even consider making an offer. I was just more curious about the logic behind the price increase, but @Bronty had a pretty great explanation.

4 hours ago, Bronty said:

The thing about selling art is you get one shot at it.    Its not like a comic book where you can wait to see what your 8.0 sells for before raising your price on your 9.0.   You don't wait.    You price in relation to the overall market.    Whether your particular piece has sold or not is pretty well irrelevant because as soon as its gone, you don't get another shot at it.

Therefore, if as a seller your perception of a fair (or unfair for that matter) asking price is rising, you raise the price.   Sale or no sale.   Unless you're trying to sell things under market, which most people aren't trying to do.

About four years ago, I bought a piece for 2k, couldn't sell it for 8k 2 years later, and then sold it for 30 recently.    That's a real example.    Was I supposed to still sell it for 8 despite the market moving?   

I think as a buyer its easy for it to seem counter intuitive, 100%.   But if you also sell from time to time, it can be easier to see how it makes sense sometimes.

Great perspective! Definitely made me rethink the logic primary sellers use, assuming they follow your business thinking. Thanks for your insight.

Also, hell of a profit on that 30 piece. Mind sharing what it was that you sold?

6 hours ago, Bronty said:

I'll go against the grain a bit.

I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with that strategy.

If you have a piece, X, you feel is worth the same as other pieces, Y, that are rising, what's wrong with pricing it at Y?

Besides that, psychologically, if something sits there at the same price forever, it gets stale and no one will buy.   Increasing the price is one way to freshen it up.

To vodou's point it works better when there aren't similar pieces priced at odds with what you're asking, but while its a counter intuitive move, I think it actually makes all the sense in the world *in certain situations.*

It might pisz off your buyers, but its better that they're are mad than apathetic.

What you're saying does make sense albeit it defying what I find logical. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ time to move on I suppose.

6 hours ago, Will_K said:

Not specific to Cadence... but there's a good amount of FOMO happening.  Better get it now at the current higher prices before they go even higher. 

It always seemed strange to me that he had so many covers available, and no one seemed to really want them at those prices. 

Myself included. And now that they have been raised even higher, I won't even consider them anymore since he was never a must have for my collection.

I like Rafael Albuquerque's work, and once in a while i'll pop onto Cadence to see if they lowered his prices on the DOZENS of covers he did for Batman related books.

A lot of these covers have been on his site for 2-3 years, unsold. 

They recently updated these covers and RAISED the prices.

What's the logic behind this?

On 1/21/2021 at 8:53 AM, LastRaven said:

One of my goals is to go from a stack of pages in a binder to actually having the art displayed.  I think a big part of that for me is actually acquiring original pages that are actually "displayable".  

Guido Guidi, who does a lot of Transformers art, does a LOT of great, displayable pieces, but I'd like to branch out from that particular artist since I feel I've "over collected" (is that a thing?) his art.  Though, I'd never turn down a great splash or cover from him.  

I think I have maybe 5 pieces of comic art in my collection that's been published that I'd consider as good display pieces (i.e., no context needed to understand / appreciate).  I'd definitely like to get an "original marvel run" of Transformers piece that's nicer to look at. 

This is largely what keeps me in check with my collecting.

Are these pieces display worthy? If not, i'll just move on.

But secondly, do I even have room to display it if it's display worthy? I've seen a few collectors who litter their walls with nicely framed comic art, but it just looks like a mess and gives me anxiety because there is no order and everything is poorly aligned and crooked.

I like to have my art spread out throughout the house, here and there as opposed to having a small room where all my stuff is displayed.

On 1/15/2021 at 7:26 AM, ShallowDan said:

II don't have any other solutions/ideas, but for what it's worth, I've successfully used the iron method before on a gouache illustration that was on a very wavy piece of heavy watercolor paper.  Basically I lightly misted the back/verso so that it was just barely damp, laid a layer of paper towels over it, ironed it flat on a low heat setting, then sandwiched it between some heavy books (changing the paper towels out every few hours).

The process worked great and completely flattened the piece.  I'll admit though that this was a fairly low value piece of art and even then the pucker factor was really high.  I don't know if I would have the courage to try it on something of higher value.

This would def work, but the original poster specifically said Bristol, unless he is just mistaken.

There are a number of people I talk to regularly who are also currently experiencing issues and radio silence from Cadence, including cover purchases going missing and not sent, to receiving odd and completely random packages from them.

Wholly unprofessional to ghost people that have sent you thousands of dollars, even if delay issues are out of their hands.

No goals for this year. I picked up some great pieces in 2020, but in hindsight, nothing that I couldn't live without.

I'll be building up my war chest and just sitting and waiting for the right irresistible piece to appear.

On 11/26/2020 at 3:51 AM, ESeffinga said:

Regarding lighting, I switched every bulb 💡 in our house (other than the bathrooms) over to 4000k led bulbs a couple years ago. The LED market finally got to a color temp and lumen count that hit a sweet spot for me, coupled with a quality and aesthetics that I was finally happy with with.

Sorry for the essay. Hope someone got something out of it. I get as excited my this stuff as talking Heritage, or favorite documentaries. Hahaha. 

Solid work on this, and you citing a ton of things I was going to.

Firstly, Dave, congrats on the up and coming house! We moved into our new home a little over a month ago, and sadly all of my framed art is still unhung. I'm still trying to suss out where i want things, as I generally don't have a dedicated space for my art. It's all just sprinkled through-out the house.

One of the best things you can do is to use LEDs for EVERYTHING. They'll save you money in the long run, and if you have valuables of all sorts to protect against UV, then this should def. be your first step.

Unlike ESeffinga, I bought into a whole entire Phillips Hue eco-system and i've got most of my lights running on set schedules, including rooms that aren't occupied, I kind of like having a little light on in those rooms. Personally, i think it makes the house feel warming. But, we're going off course.

I was going to add some stuff, but I went through what ESeffinga wrote, and they pretty much checked off everything I was going to mention.

Again, congrats!