joe_collector

180 = first appearance (a cameo can be a first appearance, IDK why people are so reluctant to accept that)

Do I really need to go into this again?

Did you ever read comics as a kid? As in READ them just to READ them and experience the stories, follow your favorite characters, etc.?

Well I did, and before sportscard dealers brought this whole "rookie card" mentality to comics in the late-80's, people actually READ these things, so ask yourself this:

If you are looking to READ and collect a back issue (remember, there were no TPBs) about your fave character's past exploits, would you choose:

a) a comic with the first single panel of your fave character and no cover appearance.

or

b) a comic with the first entire story about your fave character and an action cover image.

That's why "first FULL appearances/covers" were more popular and worth more historically pre-CGC, and will continue to be, as in the CGC entombed comic world, covers mean more than ever.

Call it a wash = Call it even

I feel there is a significant difference between a regular Joe in a comic suddenly gaining powers (i.e becoming a superhero for the first time) and some guy like Antman changing costumes to Yellowjacket.

That's why I look at cases like Ms Marvel, Black Goliath, et al as being especially worthy of a "First Appearance" since these characters are what has built the mythology, and not some nerd Bill Foster jerking off in a test tube.

I have a feeling there is some ultra-anal-nerd (But, but, but... Bill Foster already made his first appearances.. my brain is exploding... AIIIEEEE!!") working at CGC who put forward this idiotic "Origin of..." policy, and then CGC slapped his down to change it whenever they feel the need to over-hype a new dealer-$$$$ speculator book (First Winter Soldier).

I have one diaper box and one laundry detergent box that both seem to work perfectly as well.

 

Next you guys will be taping together cereal boxes.

Tape takes money out of the comic budget

Exactly my thought, and it would be far more fiscally responsible to use cereal boxes as backing boards.

Well, this should be interesting - http://www.ebay.com/itm/311331122104

 

If I remember correctly, back in the day (1999-2001) before it got too zany, a CGC 9.4 copy sold for $150-$200. A great deal, and this is might be the same copy (looks similar to the scan) with a quick press job.

Label should read....

 

 

Bill Foster becomes Black Goliath.

Origin and first appearance of Black Goliath. Ringmaster & Circus of crime appearance.

 

Exactly. Has Black Goliath ever appeared in a comic before? No? Then it's the First Appearance of Black Goliath.

Dispute that.

Winter soldier is the same as bucky in the exact same way Him is the same as warlock.

FF #66 then is the first appearance of warlock.

Backwards logic. I mean come on, that would be like re-labeling all the Captain America #1 as the "First Appearance of Winter Soldier".

We're talking about CGC's stance of putting "Origin of XXX" if any existing person in the Marvel Universe becomes a hero or takes on a new persona.

Hence the "First Appearance Him / Origin of Warlock" - I don't agree with this, as it's totally opposite to the previous Overstreet listings, collecting history and the comics hobby in general, but at least BE CONSISTENT.

The problem is that only seems to apply to OLD characters, while anything new (hyped by comic dealers/CGC member firms) gets the "First Appearance of XXX" full label notation ($$$) a la "First Appearance of Winter Soldier". It's quite obvious why this is done ($$$) but it's quite sad how much power the CGC member dealers really hold.

I mean, no one's got a box of CGC 9.8 candidates for the first appearances of Warlock or Black Goliath, but I guarantee a lot of dealers have stock of the latest Modern drek.

I have one diaper box and one laundry detergent box that both seem to work perfectly as well.

Next you guys will be taping together cereal boxes.

This is a bit surprising. Perfectly wrapped copy, yea, I would understand. A very stout price for this wrap.

Hey, I've been hyping Power-man 24 as an "undiscovered gem" for a while now.

And WTF is all this "Origin of XXX" BS? It's the first appearance of Black Goliath, no question, yet CGC seems to want to give "Origin" to any older books with pre-existing hero (or even normal) characters.

With Modern ones, it's always "First Appearance of XXX" (to let comic shops/member firms hype the readily-available books) like the idiotic "First Appearance of Winter Soldier" (ummmm, Bucky's been around for decades).

I have gotten $25 for copies of Legends # 3 in VG/FN and $30 for Legends 1 in FN/VF, at shows in the past month.

Okay, I haven't been in the forums for a while, but what.....?

I bought a whole bunch of those from the junk bins just because I like Byrne and they were dirt cheap, so now you're saying I'm sitting on a goldmine?

So back to captain carrot for a moment. Is there room for this book to grow

I see what you did there.

What language is this video in?

But as of 2 years ago that has changed and now they only show the books they carry in stock

I really hate that a lot of e commerce websites are using this stupid "you must buy online" tactic, especially large ones that have store stock indicators. It's like the web section of the retailer is actively trying to put the brick and mortar stores out of business.

Loved that book when I was a kid.

If Spider-woman #1 is exploding, what 's happening to Marvel Spotlight?

MOTP#20 is one tough book. Only seven copies have cracked the 9.0 level.

That's really weird, and as I've posted on here a few times, I have quite a few copies of that issue. Love the black covers and bought them whenever they came up, as well as some OO runs that had that issue every time.

Is it your right or left arm that goes numb when you're having a heart attack?

Seriously, that is one freaky set of "cut-off cover" scans.

I love them and the affordableness of them...once upon a time in the1990s they were hot,and the market feels like 1990 again...

Do any of the McFarlane ASM's (other than 299-300, natch) have "villain first appearances" in them, no matter how low-key/unknown the character?

You got it D_ink.

 

 

Well he's correct, just not necessary to say it on these boards

Coming from a winner like you, I take that as a compliment.

They couldn't cancel it!

 

At the time, DC did not own Wonder Woman. They had a contract with the Martson estate that stipulated they had to publish a certain number of Wonder Woman comics every year or else the contract would end and the rights would revert fully back to Marston.

Exactly what I was going to post, and this the same situation that the movie studios share with their Spider-man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, etc. licenses - if they don't make a movie every X years, then the rights revert, so even if it loses money, they'll likely to keep churning them out.

DD is an anomaly, since the license isn't worth the $100's of millions needed to produce a DD movie every few years.

They have to split a percentage with the theaters for certain,

plus distribution costs, plus costs to produce film/digital copies, plus local theater chain contracts, etc.

My understanding is that they generally get just over 50% of the domestic box office.

 

If they only get 25% of the international box office then they probably aren't doing great with this movie.

The closest estimates I've seen are 50-55% for domestic and 30-33% for international, although the last one can be lower due to exchange rates, higher distro costs in some countries and rampant fraud.

Some countries you might get 40% while others you would be lucky to see 15%.

If they get 25% of the International Box Office and 100% of the U.S. Box Office, that puts the revenues at $325 Million.

Really, you actually believe a studio receives 100% of the domestic box office?

It's Magic Accounting!

You got it D_ink.

Teen Titans (vol. 3) #37

The 1st appearance of Miss Martian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Martian

Hey Larry, the MODERN Forum is calling you.