joe_collector

For collectors of Rocket Racer, his first appearance is a key for that character. It's just there aren't many collectors of Rocket Racer, so most don't acknowledge the book as a key. For collectors of Spider-man, his wedding is certainly a key issue. It's true that there are a lot of books that are keys for more general reasons that appeal to a wide variety of collectors, and those understandably are more valuable and considered more important keys.

 

So, by this logic, every single book ever printed could be deemed a "key issue" by a sub-section of the hobby?

 

Fine, but we're talking about "hobby-wide keys" that have been accepted as important books by a significant portion of the collecting base.

I don't see how the first point is true. It's not even close to every first issue that features a first appearance or some other milestone event in a character's history.

Of course it can, as once you get down to pure minutiae like this, virtually *every* comic printed is special in some way. First, second, third appearance, artist, writer, cover appearance, large/medium/small event, co-star appearances, etc. There are many different types of "key" issues.

It all depends on your point of view, just like the Spidey-centric collectors who believe the MJ marriage is the be-all-end of keys. I bet there are some Flash Thompson fanboys who believe the issue he went to Viet Nam, graduated college, or got married are big keys too, again, from their POV.

Buying moderns for future value may not be wise

Exactly my point.

I don't care what people read, what people collect, etc., but when some yahoo comes on and says the "experts" are telling newbies to "spend $80 on a crappy Modern" then I've got to toss in my 2-cents.

No "expert" (unless he's an expert on crack) would recommend such a strategy.

"What I collect rules, what you collect sucks."

Hardly, and posting that same snippet over and over doesn't make it true.

and all the "experts" keep spouting "quality over quantity". What that means, in practical terms, is that a new kid who starts collecting should spend $10 on a Wolverine 80, instead of buying the 10 issues before or after and reading them, even if the only reason he should want it is a test tube marked X-23.

Uh, no, I don't see too many "experts" recommending you buy volatile Modern drek.

"Quality over quantity" means that rather than buying huge lots of generic books or longboxes to get "perceived value" (and then toss out 99% of it) collectors should zone in on the character, series, era, artist, etc. that they like and pursue books using a more structured approach.

For collectors of Rocket Racer, his first appearance is a key for that character. It's just there aren't many collectors of Rocket Racer, so most don't acknowledge the book as a key. For collectors of Spider-man, his wedding is certainly a key issue. It's true that there are a lot of books that are keys for more general reasons that appeal to a wide variety of collectors, and those understandably are more valuable and considered more important keys.

So, by this logic, every single book ever printed could be deemed a "key issue" by a sub-section of the hobby?

Fine, but we're talking about "hobby-wide keys" that have been accepted as important books by a significant portion of the collecting base.

Dr Strange has a battleaxe

 

And who is the Cap/Hawkeye kinda looking swashbuckler with the sword?

 

Yeah, it's like Doc;'s heading out to fight crime, and he thinks... "Hmmm, maybe I should take my Battle Axe with me?"

 

And if Doc has an axe, then naturally Cap needs to get a sword and wrap a pile of cloth strips around his arms and feet, right? Can't go out without those thin strips of cloth.

 

This is bad, like New Universe-level bad.

 

Who's the hoodie?

Lizard? Elektro? Probably someone more prominent, but I can't think of anyone. Looks more like Lobo than anyone Marvel.

I wonder how long it takes Cap to wrap up his boots?

Take ASM. Is the first Rocket Racer a key book? The first Big Wheel? The first Spider-kid?

Yes Yes No

Dr Strange has a battleaxe

 

And who is the Cap/Hawkeye kinda looking swashbuckler with the sword?

Yeah, it's like Doc;'s heading out to fight crime, and he thinks... "Hmmm, maybe I should take my Battle Axe with me?"

And if Doc has an axe, then naturally Cap needs to get a sword and wrap a pile of cloth strips around his arms and feet, right? Can't go out without those thin strips of cloth.

This is bad, like New Universe-level bad.

A comic is not a key until comic-keys restores it.

I can answer your question. Because all those movie ticket sales didn't translate into comic sales. Why pander to a movie going public that doesn't buy comics? Instead, they will pander to the aging fanboy who will speculate on the latest character wearing Iron Man's armor or wielding Thor's hammer.

Exactly, which is why I find it amusing Marvel thinks (or promotes) that by changing their X-Men funny books, this is somewhat going to force Fox's hand and make them surrender all film rights.

Think about it, if this strategy actually worked, Marvel wouldn't be trashing their entire comic line.

What.....the........fornicate am I looking at here?

The latest in a very, very long line of ill-advised, short-sighted and extremely idiotic "revamps".

ooh, hot vet on vet action

Hardly, Rockhead is an '05 newb like you.

Besides, you were supposed to be ignoring me...your words, not mine.

I thought you might have gone back to Normal-land for a visit, but if so, it was certainly a short-lived one.

Seems Marvel is intent on splitting up Peter and MJ so why would people be interested in the Wedding issue now.

 

Maybe the divorce issue will become the next hot thing...

I can't wait for the "MJ was really a clone/Skrull/evil twin/mind-swapped/etc." reveal - bet you never saw that coming.

Here you go:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8574801&fpart=1

 

Apparently, Murphman13 is now taking applications for the pregnant pole vaulting team...

Sure, but don't you think "Moderns That Are Cooling Off" is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel? 99.9% of Modern Drek gets hot for 15 seconds, then dies off and is never heard from again.

That one book i never have to spend time grading in order to sell at a premium

Comic Rule #245 - Never trust sellers when it comes around to declaring a comic "Key".

Burns have to have some resemblance to the truth to be effective, or they're just dumb comments that only sycophants think are funny.

In a single sentence, RMA again does his best to alienate the entire board.

Okay along that lines then Reed/Sue FF Annual is a key?

 

Does is sell at a premium?

Has it always been in demand?

Was the marriage celebrated in a huge sport venue?

Was it reported in the media?

Why in the world would these questions be relevant to a SA comic?

You sound like some newbie spec-vestor who literally just fell off the turnip truck yesterday,

hmm. I dont know. To me a "Key" issue is one that gives it a distinction from its surrounding issues. Like say a 1st appearance, or 1st issue of an artist or writer. Something along those lines.

 

I dont think Price or Age is the distinction here.

Exactly. Price has absolutely nothing to do with the "Key" designation.

Oh didnt you know

9.9 is the new 9.8 (..or +9.4)

 

How that guy is still selling is beyond me..

 

Makes me very curious what's required to be an overstreet price guide adviser.

A picture can tell a thousand words.

Death appears to me as a bread-stick armed CGC board member.

That's called a MIRROR, not Death.

WIH #9 or CM #26..

I was always curious about this myself. Anyone?

 

Captain Marvel 26 - that is a 1973 comic and War is Hell is a 1974. Even easier, CM 26 is 20-cent and WiH 9 is 25-cents.

 

In my mind, these are not even the same character. Mistress Death is an aspect of death that clearly is feminine. The other character is not.

That' just how it showed itself to Thanos.

WIH #9 or CM #26..

I was always curious about this myself. Anyone?

Captain Marvel 26 - that is a 1973 comic and War is Hell is a 1974. Even easier, CM 26 is 20-cent and WiH 9 is 25-cents.

But no one ever dies.

... in Modern comics.

That's the joke, since late-90's-2000's, Marvel Comics has been one big What If run and I am certain that writers are cribbing from the old issues. It's too close to be a massive coincidence.

And another nice book that's hot:

 

FANTASTIC FOUR 348

I actually thought that was a fun little mini-series run, and I suppose now we'll have to rate the scarcity of the various prints.