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And because of that similarity, and the labelling, someone will buy it, for little Timmy's birthday, thinking it's the first appearance. If the argument is "Oh come on, it's obvious that it isn't the US original" then that implies that all collectors are on the same page and have the same knowledge - which they clearly don't. And if it is obvious that it is a foreign reprint of BATB #28, why the need to make the US book the primary focus?

Poor is a good choice of word, Axelrod. Take a look at these two CGC slabbed books: Both slabs are titled Brave and the Bold #28, both are labelled as the "1st appearance of the Justice League of America". Look at the first book, by DC: If I said to you that book was called Brave and the Bold, you couldn't question it, because it is. If I said to you it was number 28, you couldn't question it, because it is. If I said to you it was the first appearance of the Justice League, you couldn't question it, because it is. If I told you I was going to file it against the census record of DC's Brave and the Bold, you couldn't question it, because it's the only logical place for it. Now look at the Editora Brasil-America book, printed eight years later: If I said to you that book was called Brave and the Bold, you could question it, because it is called Os Justiceiros. If I said to you it was number 28, you could question it, because it is number 12. If I said to you it was the first appearance of the Justice League, you could question it, because it is isn't - DC's Brave and the Bold #28 printed 8 years earlier is. If I told you "Ah, but it's the first appearance of the Justice League in Brasil", you could say "Great. Well say that then", and I'd ignore you. If I told you I was going to file it against the census record of #28 of DC's Brave and the Bold, you could question it, because it belongs against the record of Editora Brasil-America's Os Justiceiros #12. So CGC have created all those issues, just to get across that the subsequent international book shares the same cover as BATB #28. All they had to do was add a label note to that effect, and add the words "in Brasil" after the first appearance label designation. That's all they had to do. The shame of it all, is that these 'international' books are FANTASTIC! And instead of praising them and gushing over how FANTASTIC they are, we're all here scratching our heads over a non-factual, inaccurate, misleading and wildly over engineered recording strategy.

Thanks Axelrod. We've lost the labelling battle, I think, as there's clearly no sign of them budging on this strategy. Every element that is at best questionable has a simple solution but they don't seem to want to acknowledge or discuss them - they certainly won't engage in any debate here about it. It's their company of course, and they can do as they please, but they're not their books to mislabel and fudge. They should aim to bring clarity to the hobby, not confusion. I've left this alone for a while but would now like some clarification on Census recording seeing as how the design is now presumably fully embedded. I was told the census examples that I had given were not representative of the final design. I'd therefore like to know what it is, where I got it wrong, and what has changed since I made those observations throughout last year. It's a shame that the 200 books that feature in their gallery aren't currently recorded anywhere despite being graded and slabbed over 6 months ago. Anyone who uses the census to claim that their book is the "only one graded" might be in for a shock.

They're on their way!

https://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_standard.asp?title=Miracleman&publisher=Planeta+DeAgostini&issue=1&year=1990&issuedate=3%2F90 https://www.cgccomics.com/census/grades_standard.asp?title=Miracleman&publisher=Eclipse&issue=1&year=1990&issuedate=1990

A quick recap - on the CGC 'International Comics' page.... https://www.cgccomics.com/international-comics/ ...CGC illustrate how they classify International Books into three categories as follows: "How CGC Classifies International Comic Books - Classification of international comics is mainly determined by the cover, and can fall into one of three categories: Unique Editions, Foreign Editions and Price Variants." My objection to the addition of Price Variants under this umbrella of books is well documented in this thread, as is my assertion that it is disrespectful to label International (non-US) publications with the headline details of the original US publication where they share a key cover. I've also registered my objection to CGC's policy of labelling of International books with a 'first appearance' designation where the book reprints original US first appearance content. My reasonable suggestion of adding the words (first appearance) "in France" for example fell on deaf ears and now we have books that were printed long after an original US first appearance claiming equal status to them. None of this helps the hobby in my opinion. Way back last year, before CGC made the official announcement on how they would treat non-US publications, I put forward a series of cases, based on real examples, showing where the census records were being, in my view, corrupted. In a private email discussion with Matt Nelson, I was advised that the cases that I had put forward were 'not the finished design' and, therefore, were misleading. I noted that in this thread, and awaited the announcement. It is now some time since that announcement and I note that the census records are still, in my view, corrupted and misleading. If we take CGC's two International categories of 'Unique' and 'Foreign' editions, the website advises as follows: The description for 'Unique Editions' states: "CGC classifies and labels unique international comic books by their foreign title and issue number and lists the country of origin on the label." The description for 'Foreign Editions' states: "CGC classifies and labels foreign editions by the title and issue number of their US counterpart, but also lists the foreign title and issue on the label as well." I take the above as meaning that an international book with a 'Unique' cover will be recorded in the census under its own title and issue number, and a book that is a 'Foreign' will appear in the census under the title / issue number of the US original book that it reprints. That certainly seems to be the case in the more recent cases that I have looked at. Accordingly, by design, I Fantastici Quattro #1 will appear in the census as I Fantastici Quattro #1, because it does not share a cover with any US original book.... ...but I Fantastici Quattro #2 will appear in the census as The Fantastic Four #3, because it shares the cover of that US original book: @CGC Mike Apologies for the third question today, but can you ask someone at CGC to explain how these two edition types - 'Unique' and 'Foreign' - will be recorded in the CGC census please? Have I summarised it correctly? Is it the case that we will never see a full run of I Fantastici Quattro in the census, as any issue which reprints a key US original book will appear under Fantastic Four, effectively splitting the run across two publishers census records as below? Also, can you confirm whether CGC adopt the labelling strategy regardless of the submitters wishes. Can a submitter request that a 'Foreign' book be recorded with its own details, and not those of the US original, as CGC would adopt by design? Thank you

OK, thanks. So presumably all the 200+ books that were used to promote the International Grading announcement way back in May have yet to ship to their owner(s). Can you check what the parameters are on the Verification Tool please, Mike? It seems to limit you to a small number of searches: Any idea what the limits are, and what constitutes 'later'?

Ta

@CGC Mike Mike, on the CGC main page there is a gallery of about 200 of the International Books that CGC have graded: https://www.cgccomics.com/gallery/international-comics/?page=1 I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, but I can't find any of them using / on: The CGC Verification tool The Census Here is one example - I've tried a few of the books at random, all with the same results: Verification Tool: Census Records (both possibilities showing no CGC 5.0's recorded): Thanks

Did Michael Barrymore, sorry, Superman ever look more masculine...

Good job, it's terrible.

Not sure if this video of the contents of the hardcover helps - my first thought was that the books are unbound copies of the HC content, but it's hard to determine for sure without clearer pictures of what the OP has.

Who are you, and what have you done with greggy?

Thinking about it, I wonder how Ross felt when he saw parts of his art redrawn by John? It happened a few times after all (ASM #185's Spidey face) Do we think Ross was OK with it, or silently simmering? My money's on the latter. Maybe John based Peter's expression on Ross's, when he saw how he reacted to amendments...

....quite appropriate that the cat was let out of the bag by a dog, I suppose...

I wouldn't worry too much, Mec - I haven't cleaned up either and I live here. Or there, to you. Too much time spent researching what exists, and not enough actually buying the bloody things. Well, Marvel anyway Just wait until those Charltons pop though!

..... Andru pose redrawn by Dave, the UK office tea boy:

I knew it wouldn't take you long Fancy copying the two right feet, whoever it was...

Phew. Now, you're good at these - where is this Spidey pose from? Is it an Andru? And does he have two right feet?

@Spider-Variant Have we done this before, Reggie? I'm getting shocking deja-vu

...someone was mucking about in this issue though - see additional Hotel wall Spider in the expanded UK panels! Spider-Man Comic #312: Marvel Super-Heroes #14:

Not that I remember at the time Reggie, no. I do remember "Wiggle my webs and call me shaky" though. Does that help?