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It is indeed, Albert, very dangerous. Though some say it's better to throw caution to the wind and live your life like a candle at both ends. Me too. He's an idiot.

Ah, right. I quite like them lately, the stamp riots. They're developing their own charm. Did you read my other pontifications today Albert, on print order, indicias and the like? I feel like I'm talking to myself most days. I answer myself too, occasionally, to make sure I haven't accidentally died.

Post it, Albert - I bet it's a thing of beauty

It could be fun, yes. Make sure you have your sunglasses ready...

According to CGC, they're acceptable Gaard. This below, in reply to a similar question raised over in the 'Ask CGC' forum: There was no response to the follow up questions.

That's one of the good things about the software - it normally saves whatever you were in the process of creating if the site suddenly goes down. Not always, but more often than not. Now, go to bed.

Problems with Invision, the host, I'm told. They're apparently looking for a new one, so get ready for 'I Hate the New Boards Part II' if they do....

I spent 5 hours today updating Thorpe & Porter indicia summaries, so you're in good company Reggie

30 minute outage just now: Every day the same now it seems I tagged Dena on Monday but she hasn't logged on to the site since the 22nd of June. Maybe she's on holiday. There's no one else on the admin team to ask that I'm aware of - at least who responds to questions outside of the 'Ask CGC' forum, anyway. Going above admin, based on our email discussion last week, Brittany thinks CGC are doing a good job of communicating to us about the Invision issues. Not sure why, but you can't keep emailing them about it so there's nowhere to go really is there. We'll just have to lump it and avoid the site for an hour around this time until something changes I suppose. Or we could go outside and get a life Ah, you gotta laugh haven't you...

That's nice - what Marvel does that reprint Mikey, it won't come to me? And is the Man-Ape the Grizzly's brother, or what?

Afternoon boys Looking for some help - do any of you have this version of JIM #64 by any chance? If so, could I get a photo of the indicia please, to see if it carries the Thorpe & Porter distribution text? This is why I'm asking: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/411880-marvel-uk-price-variants/?do=findComment&comment=11864108 It has to be that one above - I've already seen inside this one: Cheers!

I've updated the Pence Palace journal page with the revised dates and observations here: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/blogs/entry/4927-marvel-ukpvs-thorpe-porter-indicias-june-1960-~-november-1964/ This boy was the culprit - he had a misspelled Thorpe, so had to join JIM #60 as a Type 2. Two 2's now... He's also the 20th ever sequential Marvel UKPV - I only need one more now before I can post a photo of them all together. I've got me eye on one, so maybe soon...

I received the final book I needed to complete my Marvel Thorpe & Porter Indicia Types research this week and, happily, it meant I had to rewrite half of it I'll update The Pence Palace of Doom soon with all the new data and summary docs (which I've tarted up a bit). As is often the case, a few things jumped out at me as I was doing it - one, relating to the 'what was printed first' discussions that I've been having with myself in this and my US Price Font Variations threads. Take a look at these three JIM #64's: One 9d, and two different 10c fonts. Following through the logic in my earlier posts, the absence of a standard approach bold font cents copy makes my theory that the printing order went 10c bold, 9d box and then some more 10c in a box theory look fairly suspect. Returning to my T&P indicia research updates, here is the updated Type 4 page, which shows that, where a UKPV exists, the 10c copies also have T&P UK indicias: Here's the indicia of one of the cents copies of the Jan 1961 JIM #64 which has the T&P indicia: Does that not suggest that the UKPVs were printed first for this issue, the T&P indicia being present in the cents copy? Consider: There is no style US copy in existence from which the UK 9d copy was 'scratched out' (why, who knows) Logically, the appearance of the UK indicia in the US copy suggests that it was printed second - they forgot to take it off after finishing the UKPV covers But there are two JIM #64 cent types: So what if this cents version... ... doesn't have the T&P indicia? That could indicate: 9d run first (with T&P indicia) 10c version run second (with T&P indicia, in error) Additional 10c version run (without) But why would you run another set of US copies with a different US font if the preceding template was already set as cents? Maybe the presence of the T&P indicia has some other bearing that I'm missing? Do you think I can find a copy to check though? So, any one got one of these JIM #64's: If it has the T&P indicia though, where does that leave us? Back to the pence being printed in the middle? Why no bold cents 'starter' though, if so? All good fun

Nice stamp Albert, although for the PBC quip to work I'd expect to see a few of their stamps on the book - wrong image my friend?

Yes, I seem to recall posting one that looked like a Philip K earlier in the thread. Not to be encouraged.

I used to see UK price stamps as defacements back in the day, but I've developed a healthy respect for them over recent years. In fact, I'm probably one of the only collectors in England who is actually disappointed when certain books I'm looking for don't have them. Just wait until I land Brent II. You'll see what I mean, hopefully.

That Cap bag is a wonderful riot of colour isn't it - love it

Good spot Gary. I wonder when, and where, it was stamped...

I haven't but I think this man might be well placed to, if indeed he hasn't done so already: @valiantman I'd be interested in any results of course, but I don't place too great an emphasis myself on census data for pence copies and what it does or does not tell us about comparative pence scarcity. CGC is an American company and US citizens have, I suspect, been sending in their books in far greater quantities, and for far longer, than any UK citizens have. If CGC had opened an outlet at the same time in the UK as they did in the US, that actually did onsite grading, I'm confident the pence volumes would be significantly higher at this point as a result. It wouldn't surprise me if there were many high grade pence Eternals squirrelled away in private UK collections where the owners just aren't as excited by the prospect of sending their books across the pond. For me, a trip overseas and back is something I instinctively baulk at where my precious collectibles are concerned. Certainly on current TATs. And then there is the added expense of overseas shipping and insurance to consider, which sets overseas collectors at a disadvantage. There is always something you can extract from data, but I don't think the playing field is level enough for the conclusions to be valid and I don't think any data on pence Eternal #2's would ever be anything other than vaguely indicative of what may exist on either side. The general - but evidentially unproven - consensus, is that UK Price Variants had a print run of between 2 and 5% of the US copies and that ratio could over time manifest in the census. In the meantime, the indicative print ratio alone should be enough to convince collectors of the comparative, likely availability of pence copies. I think it is unlikely that census data itself will ever accurately inform what may exist in the short term however, for the reasons I've stated here - and a whole host more that I haven't. Valiantman, am I talking gibberish?

This refers to the old sellers of pence copies who used to travel post-Victorian England offering their wares. "Mother, look - it's the Pencillier! May I have a florin with which to make a first printing price variant purchase?"

Yes, they always used this same 'bold' US 10c font - - up until the arrival of the pence copies. For whatever reason, it took them a while to settle on a consistent pence font and, in the process, it clearly brought additional cents fonts into the mix. Wrong year of course, but I blame the chap with the pipe: (A pipe...in a paper factory...?! )

Harsh! And Lennon on Ringo when asked if he was the best drummer in the world - he's not even the best drummer in the Beatles

No, I was sh awful.

I bought a drum kit off Kays. Rock n roll!

Only the toys....? Grattan and Littlewoods were favourites too.